Re: Making a Q-meter /
Thanks Tom, Any idea what it would be at a MHz or 10? I might set it up tomorrow and measure it at RF, but, if it's less then an ohm, I'm not sure how I would do that. :-) Mikek
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Mikek
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#665
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Hi Mikek, Selecting Zo is an implementation choice. I picked 50ohm as all of my bench patch cables are 50ohm. Added to: https://www.kn5l.net/Q-Meter/ is "SimSmith Example" which demonstrates
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John KN5L
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
It¡¯s milliohms at dc. Take the resistance seen to the left of Q1¡¯s base and divide by the product of betas. If dc betas are 100 each, you get about 5 milliohms, again at dc. Tom Sent from my
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Tom Lee
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Yes, I keep confusing the 260A circuit driving the 0.02¦¸ and the HP 4342A not. Mikek
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Mikek
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
I'm not sure I agree, the schematic I posted shows a 75¦¸ resistor across the transformer as Zo. And I'm waiting for an analysis of the impedance converter amp to see if we can find it's output
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Mikek
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
The operating impedance for this example is 75 ohm. 75 Ohm R1 in tuning capacitor ass'y is matching load for impedance converter. The secondary of T1 has little to no change in load to the impedance
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John KN5L
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Someone sent me a private messaged and corrected me on the output impedance of the 50 to 1 transformer, it is 0.001¦¸ or 1 milli¦¸. So, impedance ratio of 2500 x -.001 = 2.5¦¸ primary impedance. I'm
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Mikek
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Hi Mikek, Added to: https://www.kn5l.net/Q-Meter/ is example HP-400E application. John KN5L
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John KN5L
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Hi Mikek, In the figure, Zo is output impedance of the oscillator, normally 50 ohms. The Zo resistor is the impedance match for the oscillator. The "Injection Transformer" supplies 1/50 of the voltage
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John KN5L
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
John, now that I have thought about your graph a little bit, it seems clear the primary needs more inductance. To be flat down to 200kHz, I 'think' it would need about 160uh. That would be 168 turns
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Mikek
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Here's two Q measurement methods, using S11 and S21 bandwidth. Measuring a reference Micrometals device for comparison. https://www.kn5l.net/Q-Meter/MM-T80-2-36T/ John KN5L
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John KN5L
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Hello George, You could have said the same about the bible ¨C and I would have just deleted ¨C or I might have said ¡°Merely another assertion¡±. As soon as anyone tells me that something or
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Brian
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Oops, I really should remember to read all my incoming emails to see where the topic is going before making comments Johm
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John Kolb
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
30 ga wire is 0.01" diameter. Your inductance is correct, 26.7 nH. I've handled LOTS of 30 ga wire :) John
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John Kolb
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
Hi Brian, It has formulas to calculate inductance for every conceivable shape and size conductor and type of coil. Cheers, George G Sent: Friday, 16 September 2022 12:03 PM To:
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Labguy <georgg@...>
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
The 0.02 ohm resistor is in series with the Inductor being measures so affects the Q measurement. I don't understand why the inductance of the thermocouple is meaningful, considering it's in series
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Mikek
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
I'm sorry, I got the numbers messed up. Corrected below. How does inductance change from say, a 1" long 0.10" diameter wire (30 Gauge wire) vs a 1" x 1"? square 1.4mil thick? (1oz copper pcb) Found a
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Mikek
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
The 0.02 ohm resistor is in series with the Inductor being measures so affects the Q measurement. I don't understand why the inductance of the thermocouple is meaningful, considering it's in series
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John Kolb
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
And is that the inductance from one side of the square to the other, a 0.30" length, or from one end o the other, a 1" length. John
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John Kolb
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Re: Making a Q-meter /
A comparison to a 1" long square wire 0.3" x 0.3" would be a more equivalent comparison. John
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John Kolb
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