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2467B Sweep test waveforms


 

Hi all,

I'm one more of those people who can't pass by when they see the shape
and colors of something Tektronix. Now I'm working on a 2467B and while
it seems to be working well, there was one thing I wanted to resolve
before finishing my calibration efforts.

It's a late model I think; some date codes are from 1995, the serial is
B053790.

I started measuring the test waveforms from the service manual (070-
6863-01) in the trigger, sweep, horizontal amp and Z-amp sections
(reson below). What I am confused about is that several sweep gate and
sweep waveforms initially look okay on my scope but I don't see the
same levels. And looking at the schematics, the test waveforms don't
make sense to me.

Waveform 31, for example, is supposed to reach -0.2V. But I assume U700
outputs 0V or 3V on the SG# pin, and Q745 cannot pull it lower than
GND. What does? CTO by charging the "** part of ECB" capacitor?! I
normally work in the digital domain and I always struggle with these
analog things.

For the B trigger, waveform 38 is easy, it's just 0V or 3V on SG#.
But then waveform 39 follows and quite unexpectedly drops down to -
0.5V. Again, the PNP transistor doesn't seem to explain that.

These A and B "sweep gate not" signals are interconnected and also
enter U985 and U975 (the "measurement PAL"). The latter seems to get
pretty warm, but I see no obvious malfunction.

I read the circuit description on page 3a-21 of the manual but it did
not give me an answer.

So any help making sense of these waveforms is greatly appreciated!

As for the reason for looking into this, I had some difficulties doing
the "high drive focus" and "writing rate threshold" adjustments on page
5-6 of the manual. Triggering seemed unstable, although this might be
normal (the manual talks about a "flashing sinewave"). Later I noticed
that at fast sweep times, something like 2 DIV of the trace seemed to
be missing between the triggering edge and the start of the trace on
the display. An explaination was given on the other list [1] about how
this is expected behavior due to propagation delay in digital logic and
I can actually see the triggering edge, thanks to the delay line.

I'm attaching some screenshots/pages from the manual for the reader's
convenience (or at least I'm trying).

- Michael

[1] /g/TekScopes/topic/11350057


 

Hm, let me try again with the attachments, now using the groups.io web interface. A sweep gate first - here I get a low level of +190 mV and a high level of 3.1V:
At waveform 35, half of the "low" time it seems to go below 0V? Again I see levels about 500mV above the expectation:
Here from the B sweep gate waveforms - I get something like 0V to 2.4V on both:
Now some schematics snippets:
(skipping the section with U975 inbetween)
?
- Michael


 

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Jon


 

Hello again"

BEWARE that CAL requires

Exact TEK test equipment
Caled test scope and probes
Experience with CAL proceedures, VERY steep learing curve for first timere


DANGER: HOR K IC U800 is EASY TO BLOW UP and costly to replace.

The screws MUST NOT be touched or moved , at -5V NOT GRD

If scope works fine, good accuracy H, V, trig OK and display of CRT good, DONT MESS IT UP.

See very long thereads at TEKSCOPES2 here and EEVBLOG Tek 2465B teardown.

Just my decades of experience on about 15 of these.

Have a great day


Jon