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Re: tektronix 214 option 94
Hi Miguel,
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That is definitely an odd number for an option. Up until now I would have said options are ALWAYS listed in the catalogs as opposed to modifications which are never listed. But I just checked the 1983 catalog and the only options are 01 and 02 and they relate to different mains power for use in foreign countries. Does your 214 have an unusual power plug? I just checked my 214 and it has no options. My option "insert" is blank. Dennis Tillman W7PF -----Original Message----- -- Dennis Tillman W7PF TekScopes Moderator |
TG501 20ns 10ns 5ns
Hello
I'm a newcomer to this group who has fairly recently acquired a SG503, PG506 and TG501 in a TM5003 module. All of these units are working fine, apart from the TG501 which shows some odd outputs on the 20ns, 10ns and 5ns markers. The timing seems to be correct on the slower markers (50ns and below), but the 20ns, 10ns and 5ns show as 25ns, 12.5ns and 6.25ns respectively. The 2ns is correct (can't check the 1ns, given the bandwidth of my old Tek 2465A). I've checked the markers on a second scope as well. The TG501 is a later model (Bo51xxx). My first thought was that there must be a fault with the 20ns, 10ns and 5ns outputs - possibly in the dividers - but then wondered if perhaps the generator had been deliberately modified at some point to give the 25ns, 12.5ns and 6.25ns values. I'm not sure if this mod would be possible with the TG501? I've had a good look at the manual, but before I start delving any further I wanted to be sure it is a fault. I have checked the power supply voltages and ripple and the 1 Mhz oscillator - these are all good. Any advice on this issue from the experts here would be appreciated. Thank you Kerry |
Re: 2215A LVPS repair
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 03:43 PM, tom jobe wrote:
Hi Tom, As it turns out, it is not yet solved... ;-) Yes, I opened the scope again, and yes, it's a Schaffner line-filter. I put a picture of it in the album: /g/TekScopes/album?id=64919 Is this one of the "explosive" types?? If so, I'll will replace it. Although this scope spend his whole life in The Netherlands,, so maybe it OK? Further down the line there is this black, plastic box that contains another line-filter. In there are two 2n2 RIFA capacitors (similar as in the 2465 PS), they already look "cracked", so I will replace them too. To be continued, Leo |
Re: 2215A LVPS repair [Solved]
tom jobe
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Thanks for the progress report, It's good to see that your 2215A repairs so far have gone well! In studying your photos, it looks like you have one of those dreaded "Schaffner" brand AC inlet filters (where the AC cord plugs into the back of the scope). If that is what you have, they have a poor reliability record when used on 240 AC line voltage, if you also have that too. I'm in a 120 volt AC part of the world and I started changing them after having just one scary "Schaffner" failure. The Tekscopes message archive should have some "Schaffner" discussions from the past, and a Google search on the term 'Schaffner filter failure' will get you more information too. You might also consider changing the few X and Y caps in the 2215A, especially C904 which is under the AC inlet filter and behind the main power switch. C904 is much easier to change while you have the AC inlet filter removed. The original X and Y capacitors have difficulty with 240 volt mains, so you might want to get the highest rated replacements you can find. tom jobe... On 8/16/2018 4:19 AM, satbeginner wrote:
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Re: 453 trouble
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:05:57 +0200, you wrote:
Hello Folks,Yes and no. The ground lead for the probe, when properly attached, minimizes ringing on the signal. The long lead from chassis to chassis will not. For low frequency signals (especially sine waves), you're not likely to see much of a difference. Go play digital, and you will. The length of the probe's ground lead and where it is placed also have an effect, especially if you've got a different ground potential (by millivolts) across a PC board or a chassis. Harvey
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Re: 2215A LVPS repair [Solved]
Hi all,
just a final message: it's all done! Today I received the 12V 60mm brushless fan that was a perfect fit. I used the half wave rectifier circuit I was able to place the components for on the board, the fan is running nicely without real noise on 9V. I mean, you can hear it, but only just. There are plenty perforations all around the casing to let cool air in, so I choose to have it blowing out, so it is sucking the warm air from the inside of the scope and remove it from the scope. (Like in my 2465's) One extra thing I found: When I put all the covers back and ran the scope for a while, I found that the one screw on the right hand side is actually quite important. This creates a thermal connection between where the internal heatsink is and the outside blue cabinet, so that way the scope's casing helps in cooling the scope too. Again, pictures are here: /g/TekScopes/album?id=64919&p=pcreated,,,20,1,0,0 Un saludo, Leo |
Re: Tek scope
Hi Jennifer,
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It is appropriate to let the members of TekScopes know if you have any conflict of interest when you post an item for sale. Dennis Tillman W7PF -----Original Message----- -- Dennis Tillman W7PF TekScopes Moderator |
Re: 453 trouble
stefan_trethan
Yes, for best frequency response the ground lead should be short and
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the area between it and the probe minimal. You may see ringing and other strange stuff with your separate ground lead. Probably OK for a rough check of supply voltages or slow signals, but definitely no use for ripple and noise measurements (in those cases sometimes even the supplied alligator leads are just too long). You need to think about what you are measuring and adapt accordingly. Using the absolute best setup all the time is also completely impractical. ST On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:05 AM, F4GNY <f4gny@...> wrote:
Question : sometime when troubleshooting radios, I use a ground lead |
Re: 453 trouble
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Thanks for all thoses interestings comments. As Ive reconnected the ground, and turned power ON : no differential main shut down occur, even when my finger played with chassis parts. I also mesured voltage between ground and chassis : close to zero -- few mV-.. The idea to use the same wall socket to avoid ground loop is fine. Question : sometime when troubleshooting radios, I use a ground lead between scope and radio to avoid using probe's aligator clip. What do you think about ? can I introduce false mesurements ? Regards Alain Le 15.08.2018 ¨¤ 20:40, Richard Knoppow a ¨¦crit?:
??? A hot chassis can also be caused by RF filter capacitors connected |
Re: Dead 7603
Well, after a week on vacation, I replaced the old 18,000 uF, 16 V C821
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with a new 22,000 uF, 25 V job that was the same diameter but less than half the length. I knew I was going to be out of town, so I ordered from Digi-Key just before I left, and the caps (I bought 2, just in case) arrived just before I got back. After removing the old cap by sawing off 2 of the leads right next to the edge of the rectifier board with a hacksaw blade and a utility knife, I was able to mop up the solder from the other 3 leads with generous use of rosin flux and large solder braid. The new cap's leads didn't quite match up with the holes, so I added a piece of 22 gauge wire from one. And... shorted it out on the underside of the board! D'oh! Tried again with the one lead with the wire on it cut down to size and covered with Kapton and electrical tape. Voila, that did it! 5 V rail is clean now. Still a bit of ripple on all supplies, particularly 15 V, but good enough for now. The 7603 is back to life and triggering on millivolt signals no problem. Thanks everybody for your help! Next project is replacing the backup battery (also purchased from D-K at the same time as the caps) in my HP 8566 spectrum analyzer, but that is a story for another group. And at some point I'll want to try to fix my botched job replacing a CMOS battery on my Tek TLA711 logic analyzer. If I don't get very far with that job, I'll ask here, unless there is a Tek logic analyzers group. Jim ------ Original Message ------
From: "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...> To: [email protected] Sent: 7/21/2018 11:43:55 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Dead 7603 BTW, I did try a 7A22, a 7A26, and a 7B85 in the plug-in slots lastSince the 7B80/85 use +5V it is not surprising that they don't work --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. |
Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance
Roy Morgan
On Aug 15, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Tom Miller <tmiller11147@... <mailto:tmiller11147@...>> wrote:Our work benches vary quite a lot, and things found useful by some may not even be at others places: I have a relaltively common magnifying goose-neck lamp. The tubular fluorescent lamp surround a magnifying lens of about 3-1/3 or 4 inches diameter. This thing is very useful for some work, such as finding a tantalum cap with a hole in one end. Other folks use magnifying ¡°goggles¡± - I suspect these are more useful than the lamp with magnifier for some things. Roy Morgan k1lky68@... <mailto:k1lky68@...> |
Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance
tom jobe
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It's good to hear that you are making progress on your 475. Those large capacitors for the low voltage supplies in the aluminum cans often fail internally and do not show any bulging or other obvious failure. When you find a large ripple on one of the low voltage supplies and take that capacitor apart, you will often see one of the connections to the outside has corroded and completely disconnected the capacitor internally. Work on whatever seems to be the biggest problem you see and you will gradually get it all fixed. I have not worked on a 4xx scope in a very long time so have no idea about how things come apart. tom jobe... On 8/15/2018 3:25 PM, JR wrote:
It turns out that C965 (Board A9), a tantalum bypass capacitor on the +15 rail had gone bad; removing brought the +15 rail resistance to ground back to where it should be. Most of the capacitors look to be in pretty good condition; I have not come across any bulges, deformities, leaked electrolyte or burn marks on any of them, even the larger axial lead supply capacitors. |
Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:25:30 -0700, you wrote:
It turns out that C965 (Board A9), a tantalum bypass capacitor on the +15 rail had gone bad; removing brought the +15 rail resistance to ground back to where it should be. Most of the capacitors look to be in pretty good condition; I have not come across any bulges, deformities, leaked electrolyte or burn marks on any of them, even the larger axial lead supply capacitors.Look for the capacitors across the AC line in the power filter. They can fail, especially if you're in an environment that uses a 220 volt (nominal) line voltage. The value of nominal has been increasing over the years, and will bite you. Harvey
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Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance
Look for a tantalum with a small hole in it.
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From: "JR" <jswrussell@...> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance It turns out that C965 (Board A9), a tantalum bypass capacitor on the +15 rail had gone bad; removing brought the +15 rail resistance to ground back to where it should be. Most of the capacitors look to be in pretty good condition; I have not come across any bulges, deformities, leaked electrolyte or burn marks on any of them, even the larger axial lead supply capacitors. I powered it on, and checked the supply voltages at the test points; all were within specification, although I haven't checked the ripple on each yet. I haven't checked any of the high voltage test points yet, as I'm currently lacking the equipment to do so safely. A couple minutes into testing the powered on scope (I couldn't find the test point for +105/160), some other component let go, with a loud pop, accompanied by a whistling sound and small quantity of smoke. So, the hunt is on for the culprit. I have removed boards A3, A7 and A8 so far, and have found no obviously failed components on any of them. I thought at first that something on A7 (timing board) failed, given the location where the smoke seemed to come from, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Is there any component in the recess along with the CRT known to fail in such a way? Interestingly, after the component failure, all the supply voltages were still within specification. Regarding the removal of the two attenuator boards/assemblies, is the best way to get at the nuts holding them to the front panel with a small spanner? I'm having a little difficulty getting them free. Thanks, John |
Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance
It turns out that C965 (Board A9), a tantalum bypass capacitor on the +15 rail had gone bad; removing brought the +15 rail resistance to ground back to where it should be. Most of the capacitors look to be in pretty good condition; I have not come across any bulges, deformities, leaked electrolyte or burn marks on any of them, even the larger axial lead supply capacitors.
I powered it on, and checked the supply voltages at the test points; all were within specification, although I haven't checked the ripple on each yet. I haven't checked any of the high voltage test points yet, as I'm currently lacking the equipment to do so safely. A couple minutes into testing the powered on scope (I couldn't find the test point for +105/160), some other component let go, with a loud pop, accompanied by a whistling sound and small quantity of smoke. So, the hunt is on for the culprit. I have removed boards A3, A7 and A8 so far, and have found no obviously failed components on any of them. I thought at first that something on A7 (timing board) failed, given the location where the smoke seemed to come from, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Is there any component in the recess along with the CRT known to fail in such a way? Interestingly, after the component failure, all the supply voltages were still within specification. Regarding the removal of the two attenuator boards/assemblies, is the best way to get at the nuts holding them to the front panel with a small spanner? I'm having a little difficulty getting them free. Thanks, John |
Re: 453 trouble
Craig Sawyers
A hot chassis can also be caused by RF filter capacitors connected from each side of the lineto the chassis. I would be much more suspicious of these if they exist in the 453 than of theelectrostatic shield in the power transformer.There are no such capacitors in the 453. Hence my comment regarding the primary capacitive coupling to the shield. I - er - looked at the schematic before I commented :-) Craig |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
Tantalums are really good when used properly.
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1) ESR / ripple current rating MUST not be exceeded, creates internal self heating that will lead to internal shorts. 2) Use them for high frequency, low voltage switching regulators. 3) De-rate working voltage by 50% as a minimum. 4( Not much available at 35VDC and up MLCCs are a very reliable alternative to small tantalums On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:38 AM, Mark Wendt <wendt.mark@...> wrote:
LOL! LGBTQRC? ;-) |
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