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Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"

 

That's an OK tower, but it's not Blaw Knox cool like the WLW or WSM towers. :)


Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert LaFrance <albert.lafrance@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 11:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"

The radio tower used in the original "Galaxy Being" is still standing:
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Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

I second that.? ?Just bought 3 of them a few weeks ago myself.? Paid more than $15, though.? Screwed them to the back of my (wooden) work bench.? ?Room for a few more should the need arise....

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@...> Date: 7/10/18 8:01 PM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
Check out their four foot, 12 outlet power strips while you're there. They go on sale for $15 fairly often. I bought four more the last time. That makes about eight or nine of them, so far.

<>

Michael A. Terrell


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 10:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

Don't know why I haven't thought about it and I have a harbor freight less
than 2 miles away from me.


Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"

 

The radio tower used in the original "Galaxy Being" is still standing:
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael A. Terrell
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"

The remake reused many of the original scripts but it had much better props. The one they really should have remade was the original, 'Galaxy Being'. That so called radio station looked like something from what 'Sanford & Son' would have tossed out.

The remake was 32 years after the first episode of the original series, so technology had changed a lot during that time.


Michael A. Terrell


-----Original Message-----
From: Harvey White <madyn@...>

All in the technology of the times. Note that they did not imagine any
kind of technology (interface wise) that was different from what they
had, just that it did futuristic stuff.


Re: Source for 1/8" fibreglass or other hard plastic rod in UK

 

Hi David,

If you want I can purchase something like what you are looking for. Hobby
shops in my area sell carbon fiber rods and they are not very expensive.

Alternatively I can give you what I have salvaged from parts mules if you
let me know the length you want. These would be genuine Tek rods.

I would be happy to mail you some. They are so light I doubt postage would
be much.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
David C. Partridge
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2018 10:27 AM
To: TekScopes <[email protected]>
Subject: [TekScopes] Source for 1/8" fibreglass or other hard plastic
rod in UK

I'm looking for a UK source of 1/8" (0.125" or 3.2mm) diameter
fibreglass rods (or other hard plastic) such as is used in many 7000
series plugins.

For the specific application (the rod down the middle of plastic
expansion
rivet) a 3mm rod won't do.

I only want a small quantity, so any suppliers with large minimum
orders would be a problem.

Thanks
David



--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

Check out their four foot, 12 outlet power strips while you're there. They go on sale for $15 fairly often. I bought four more the last time. That makes about eight or nine of them, so far.

<>

Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 10:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

Don't know why I haven't thought about it and I have a harbor freight less
than 2 miles away from me.


Re: Searching for post about Tektronix front panel fabrication/printing process

 

Hi Toby,
You are in luck.
There is an excellent video on how Tek did this on the vintageTEK Museum web site It is here:


Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
toby@...
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 1:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] Searching for post about Tektronix front panel
fabrication/printing process

Sorry for the vague post, but I remember in the last year or so,
somebody giving a detailed description on how the Tektronix front
panels were produced for durability, with respect to anodizing, silk
screening, etc. Probably Dennis? or Chuck? ¡­ I rummaged through my
archives but didn't find the post. If the author remembers it, maybe
they can link it in this thread?

I did find some older posts by search though, but I think the one I
mean is much more comprehensive.
e.g. /g/TekScopes/message/111625 ;
/g/TekScopes/message/101696

Thanks for any help.



--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

Don't know why I haven't thought about it and I have a harbor freight less
than 2 miles away from me.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 7:11 PM Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@...>
wrote:

We used to pile three feet or more of heavy old HP equipment on each cart
at Microdyne. When something needed serviced or calibrated, the entire cart
was rolled into the cal lab. We used the larger carts, and added a 3/4"
plywood top, with strips of 1"x2" along the sides and back to keep it from
moving. The strips fit snugly against the inside of the top shelf, and not
only gave a flat work surface, but it gave extra strength. For very light
loads, we simply flipped the top shelf upside down, and used it that way.

We left a six inch gap at the front to store probes and cables. Most of
these carts held over 300 pounds of equipment and most work stations had
more than one cart. Mine was a little different. I also had a cart with a
stereo microscope, and another with a computer to run software driven test
fixtures. Due to the wide variety of items worked on I had four
workbenches, instead of the usual one or two.

Here is the Harbor freight version of the carts we used. The company
refused to buy them, because they weren't made in the U.S.



Michael A. Terrell


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 9:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

My interest is a cart that can hold the heavier stuff and rack with like
the 11k Scopes. The next card I need will have to hold an HP synthesizer
that weighs 70 lb and hopefully a spectrum analyzer on top of that that
has
a total weight of 95 lb
The Tek cart that came with my 11403A I am going to try to put on top of
it
11301 a.

This old test equipment is darn heavy



Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"

 

The remake reused many of the original scripts but it had much better props. The one they really should have remade was the original, 'Galaxy Being'. That so called radio station looked like something from what 'Sanford & Son' would have tossed out.

The remake was 32 years after the first episode of the original series, so technology had changed a lot during that time.


Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Harvey White <madyn@...>

All in the technology of the times. Note that they did not imagine
any kind of technology (interface wise) that was different from what
they had, just that it did futuristic stuff.


Re: [OT] Philips PP 1071 electronic switch unit

 

Thanks also to Leon Robinson, who also suggested (in a direct e-mail) to check-out the 2-channel switch model from Heathkit. (BTW Leon: your ISP, SBCglobal, is wrongly rejecting mails from my IP).

Sebastian.




Sebastian Garcia 5:39am #149580
Thank you, Michael. Actually I have only pieces of it (most pieces, I think), so an schematic would be ideal for making sense of them.

Best regards,
Sebastian.



Michael A. Terrell 4:19am #149579

It appears to be two, 15MHz amplifiers to convert a single channel scope into a four channel display. In other words, it is a pair of the electronic switches that were common for early single channel scopes.

They were also kit versions and construction projects. They used a twin Triode to create an adjustable square wave to drive the chopper, and each input had an amplifier with adjustments for both gain and position. Heathkit made the S1, S2 and S3, ID22, models, and at least the S3 schematic is on line because I have a copy of its schematic.

There is a description of this item in a book about scopes:

<>

Here is the Heathkit S-3S schematic:

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You have an advantage in having two switches, in that you can compare them to locate problems. As always, make sure the DC rails in the power supply are clean. The filter caps are likely 50 years old, or more.


Michael A. Terrell
. . .

-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastian Garcia <sg-listas@...>
Sent: Jul 9, 2018 11:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] [OT] Philips PP 1071 electronic switch unit

Hi, Could somebody provide the schematics/manual of this equipment (or similar Philips model) [1] ?
It is an (independent, including power supply) chopping unit, to turn any single trace scope into a into 2-trace one.
Mainly tube-based, some silicon diodes, a couple of selenium rectifier bridges, some power transistors. Seems to be from ~1960/65.

Any data would be greatly appreciated,
Sebastian.

[1] Philips PP 1071 electronic switch unit


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

We used to pile three feet or more of heavy old HP equipment on each cart at Microdyne. When something needed serviced or calibrated, the entire cart was rolled into the cal lab. We used the larger carts, and added a 3/4" plywood top, with strips of 1"x2" along the sides and back to keep it from moving. The strips fit snugly against the inside of the top shelf, and not only gave a flat work surface, but it gave extra strength. For very light loads, we simply flipped the top shelf upside down, and used it that way.

We left a six inch gap at the front to store probes and cables. Most of these carts held over 300 pounds of equipment and most work stations had more than one cart. Mine was a little different. I also had a cart with a stereo microscope, and another with a computer to run software driven test fixtures. Due to the wide variety of items worked on I had four workbenches, instead of the usual one or two.

Here is the Harbor freight version of the carts we used. The company refused to buy them, because they weren't made in the U.S.


Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 9:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

My interest is a cart that can hold the heavier stuff and rack with like
the 11k Scopes. The next card I need will have to hold an HP synthesizer
that weighs 70 lb and hopefully a spectrum analyzer on top of that that has
a total weight of 95 lb
The Tek cart that came with my 11403A I am going to try to put on top of it
11301 a.

This old test equipment is darn heavy


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

My interest is a cart that can hold the heavier stuff and rack with like
the 11k Scopes. The next card I need will have to hold an HP synthesizer
that weighs 70 lb and hopefully a spectrum analyzer on top of that that has
a total weight of 95 lb
The Tek cart that came with my 11403A I am going to try to put on top of it
11301 a.

This old test equipment is darn heavy

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 5:55 PM Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@...>
wrote:

It's not that hard to bend up a larger top pan, with hand tools. Or add a
piece of plywood, and a hold down strap. There are cheap belts on Ebay that
would work fine. These are what I bought to wear, but I bought two extra to
use on carts.
They are $1.95 each.

Michael A. Terrell


-----Original Message-----
From: Al Holt <grovekid2@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 8:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 05:19 pm, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

How about a cheap welding cart, or make a copy of the design from the
online manual?

The welding cart is nice in it has a sloping front, but the one I looked
at Harbor Freight just doesn't have the depth to handle the 7603 from what
I could tell.




Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"

 

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:17:46 -0400, you wrote:

I've been watching some episodes of the outstanding US science-fiction TV
series "The Outer Limits", which aired from 1963-1965 (two seasons). The
settings of many episodes prominently feature electronic equipment,
typically in a scientific laboratory, military command post, space mission
control center, or a spacecraft.
All in the technology of the times. Note that they did not imagine
any kind of technology (interface wise) that was different from what
they had, just that it did futuristic stuff.




Despite the fact that the show's opening title sequence begins with what is
probably best-known oscilloscope trace in history
(), I haven't seen a lot of
scopes in the episodes themselves, and the few that have appeared weren't
operating. A DuMont shows up from time to time, just sitting on a counter
or console as an afterthought. You'd think they'd at least be rigged up to
display the ever-popular Lissajous figures, but the series was pretty
low-budget.
In that sense, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea had the standard Irwin
Allen pseudo tape decks and fake computers. Outer Limits didn't
really, as I remember it.





One episode showed, in the background, a cart-mounted scope which had the
general form and panel layout of a Tek 500 series, but with a sort of white
cowling around the top and sides of the front panel. In another, there was
a rack-mounted 5-inch scope with a dark gray/green panel. I don't know what
brand either scope was.
Episodes might be helpful. There were knockoffs of the TEK stuff at
earlier times. They might just have put a frame on it to make it look
a bit different. For a rack mounted scope, well, might have been war
surplus, maybe not.



In general, the electronics were a mix of real contemporary equipment and
stuff that was probably purpose-built as props. The real equipment
sometimes included those big multi-track analog tape recorders and vertical
pen plotters that were so popular in the early years of aerospace
development. The "prop" equipment was generally panels of meters, toggle
switches, pots/rotary switches and indicator lights; the meters and lights
were usually non-operational unless they had some significance in the plot.
A lot of them were in 19-inch racks or bench-type consoles.
And they could have been standard equipment with the labels painted
out. That would have kept people from realizing what it was, and
keeping them focused on the plot (such as it was, at times).






A striking feature of these "prop" panels was the lack of labeling on any of
the devices unless, again, a particular device had a role in the story (e.g.
the radiation meter on an out-of-control reactor). But then, I guess a
scientist who's smart enough to invent a time machine or inter-dimensional
portal should be able to remember what switch does what.
Someone actually wrote a story about that being a feature of
intelligent people. The author forgot the 2AM factor.






Another electronics tidbit from the series: in one episode, a scientist had
developed a way to rapidly advance an individual primate's (including
human's) evolution, based on the premise that an organism's future form is
already encoded in its DNA and can brought out by the use of a machine built
for that task. To show a visitor how effective this technique was, the
scientist pointed to one of his successes - a chimpanzee seated at a bench
in a corner of the lab, quite convincingly using a VOM to troubleshoot some
piece of vacuum-tube electronics!
I think I know where he used to work.....

David McCallum was in that.

Piece of additional trivia. Movie called "Reptillicus", low budget
(British, I'd guess, since it was set in London), giant reptile coming
up the Thames type of movie.

Hero was listening to the reports of the creature's progress on a
Heathkit Oscilloscope switch.

Had one in the basement, same model.

Harvey






Albert












Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

It's not that hard to bend up a larger top pan, with hand tools. Or add a piece of plywood, and a hold down strap. There are cheap belts on Ebay that would work fine. These are what I bought to wear, but I bought two extra to use on carts.
They are $1.95 each.

Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Al Holt <grovekid2@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 8:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 05:19 pm, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

How about a cheap welding cart, or make a copy of the design from the online manual?

The welding cart is nice in it has a sloping front, but the one I looked at Harbor Freight just doesn't have the depth to handle the 7603 from what I could tell.


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 05:19 pm, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

How about a cheap welding cart, or make a copy of the design from the online manual?

The welding cart is nice in it has a sloping front, but the one I looked at Harbor Freight just doesn't have the depth to handle the 7603 from what I could tell.

--Al


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

I have a bunch of these in both the shop, and in the house. They are sturdy enough, but a piece of plywood under the bottom shelf makes them even stronger.

<>
Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ed Breya via Groups.Io" <edbreya@...>

Haha - I just looked at those Harbor Freight ones someone linked. That's the kind I was picturing, whether plastic or metal. Some are kind of spendy, but if you look at the coupons, there's a 3-shelf steel one for $40 on sale (regular $50). There's a 2-shelf steel one for $38 regular, so you could use your 20% off coupon to get it around $30. The 3-shelf will be much sturdier, however. The best thing to do with HF stuff is look at it in person to be sure it's of sufficient quality and function. In this price range, there's not much point to making your own.


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

How about a cheap welding cart, or make a copy of the design from the online manual?



Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ed Breya via Groups.Io" <edbreya@...>
Sent: Jul 10, 2018 7:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

Are the real scope carts all that expensive? I've bought a few over recent years at flea markets and junk stores for around $10-25 typical. I was under the impression that the carts aren't in big demand anymore, and those I've gotten were sitting in stores for months, or still around near the end of a flea market, with no takers. The problem may be in the timing - when you need one, it's hard to find a deal. That's why I just get one whenever a good deal shows up, and worry about commissioning it later. I've got two uncommitted ones in stock right now, that will eventually be scoped up, but are storage shelves until then.

You should be able to fairly easily come up with a bought or homemade rig that will perform the needed function. Chances are that shortly thereafter, a real one will show up for $20. Oh well.

I hate those wire-frame shelving and cart systems, so would never recommend them for anything. I think a simple utility cart with casters and a solid tray top is the way to go, in new or used form. It's a very basic piece of equipment, so there should be plenty to choose from. You may even want to look at outdoor garden carts - some are quite sturdy.

Another semi-homemade option is to use the base cabinet of an old junked propane BBQ. I have made a number of benches and carts from these and almost anything else that rolls and is sturdy enough. You just have to come up with a wood top for it.


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

Haha - I just looked at those Harbor Freight ones someone linked. That's the kind I was picturing, whether plastic or metal. Some are kind of spendy, but if you look at the coupons, there's a 3-shelf steel one for $40 on sale (regular $50). There's a 2-shelf steel one for $38 regular, so you could use your 20% off coupon to get it around $30. The 3-shelf will be much sturdier, however. The best thing to do with HF stuff is look at it in person to be sure it's of sufficient quality and function. In this price range, there's not much point to making your own.

Ed


Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"

 

Teaching a chimpanzee to use a meter is easy, but have you ever see one than can solder worth a damn? ;-)


Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert LaFrance <albert.lafrance@...>

I've been watching some episodes of the outstanding US science-fiction TV
series "The Outer Limits", which aired from 1963-1965 (two seasons). The
settings of many episodes prominently feature electronic equipment,
typically in a scientific laboratory, military command post, space mission
control center, or a spacecraft.
A lot of the props were from local surplus stores. Even if it had been marked, it wouldn't have made sense.

Despite the fact that the show's opening title sequence begins with what is
probably best-known oscilloscope trace in history
(), I haven't seen a lot of
scopes in the episodes themselves, and the few that have appeared weren't
operating. A DuMont shows up from time to time, just sitting on a counter
or console as an afterthought. You'd think they'd at least be rigged up to
display the ever-popular Lissajous figures, but the series was pretty
low-budget.



One episode showed, in the background, a cart-mounted scope which had the
general form and panel layout of a Tek 500 series, but with a sort of white
cowling around the top and sides of the front panel. In another, there was
a rack-mounted 5-inch scope with a dark gray/green panel. I don't know what
brand either scope was.



In general, the electronics were a mix of real contemporary equipment and
stuff that was probably purpose-built as props. The real equipment
sometimes included those big multi-track analog tape recorders and vertical
pen plotters that were so popular in the early years of aerospace
development. The "prop" equipment was generally panels of meters, toggle
switches, pots/rotary switches and indicator lights; the meters and lights
were usually non-operational unless they had some significance in the plot.
A lot of them were in 19-inch racks or bench-type consoles.



A striking feature of these "prop" panels was the lack of labeling on any of
the devices unless, again, a particular device had a role in the story (e.g.
the radiation meter on an out-of-control reactor). But then, I guess a
scientist who's smart enough to invent a time machine or inter-dimensional
portal should be able to remember what switch does what.



Another electronics tidbit from the series: in one episode, a scientist had
developed a way to rapidly advance an individual primate's (including
human's) evolution, based on the premise that an organism's future form is
already encoded in its DNA and can brought out by the use of a machine built
for that task. To show a visitor how effective this technique was, the
scientist pointed to one of his successes - a chimpanzee seated at a bench
in a corner of the lab, quite convincingly using a VOM to troubleshoot some
piece of vacuum-tube electronics!


Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

In some parts of the country scope equipment or any type of cart seem to be
rare birds. the Portland Oregon area is one of them.

I'd love to see the one build out of plywood I have a friend with the
Woodshop that could duplicate it or come up with something close.



On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:58 PM Ed Breya via Groups.Io <edbreya=
[email protected]> wrote:

Are the real scope carts all that expensive? I've bought a few over recent
years at flea markets and junk stores for around $10-25 typical. I was
under the impression that the carts aren't in big demand anymore, and those
I've gotten were sitting in stores for months, or still around near the end
of a flea market, with no takers. The problem may be in the timing - when
you need one, it's hard to find a deal. That's why I just get one whenever
a good deal shows up, and worry about commissioning it later. I've got two
uncommitted ones in stock right now, that will eventually be scoped up, but
are storage shelves until then.

You should be able to fairly easily come up with a bought or homemade rig
that will perform the needed function. Chances are that shortly thereafter,
a real one will show up for $20. Oh well.

I hate those wire-frame shelving and cart systems, so would never
recommend them for anything. I think a simple utility cart with casters and
a solid tray top is the way to go, in new or used form. It's a very basic
piece of equipment, so there should be plenty to choose from. You may even
want to look at outdoor garden carts - some are quite sturdy.

Another semi-homemade option is to use the base cabinet of an old junked
propane BBQ. I have made a number of benches and carts from these and
almost anything else that rolls and is sturdy enough. You just have to come
up with a wood top for it.

Ed





Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?

 

Are the real scope carts all that expensive? I've bought a few over recent years at flea markets and junk stores for around $10-25 typical. I was under the impression that the carts aren't in big demand anymore, and those I've gotten were sitting in stores for months, or still around near the end of a flea market, with no takers. The problem may be in the timing - when you need one, it's hard to find a deal. That's why I just get one whenever a good deal shows up, and worry about commissioning it later. I've got two uncommitted ones in stock right now, that will eventually be scoped up, but are storage shelves until then.

You should be able to fairly easily come up with a bought or homemade rig that will perform the needed function. Chances are that shortly thereafter, a real one will show up for $20. Oh well.

I hate those wire-frame shelving and cart systems, so would never recommend them for anything. I think a simple utility cart with casters and a solid tray top is the way to go, in new or used form. It's a very basic piece of equipment, so there should be plenty to choose from. You may even want to look at outdoor garden carts - some are quite sturdy.

Another semi-homemade option is to use the base cabinet of an old junked propane BBQ. I have made a number of benches and carts from these and almost anything else that rolls and is sturdy enough. You just have to come up with a wood top for it.

Ed