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Re: Warning - Military Manuals

Stan or Patricia Griffiths
 

Hi Jim,

I think you are way off base on this one, Jim. I have to admit I am not a
copyright attorney, but even if you bought a book, you did not buy the
copyrights for it. How could buying a piece of equipment grant you the
copyrights to its documentation? You probaly got a copy with the equipment
and that is what you have . . . ONE copy. That is what copyright protection
is all about . . . you DO NOT have the right to make copies. If you buy one
copy of a software program, for example, you certainly do not have permission
to make and sell more copies of it . . . Same goes for manuals, books,
music, artwork, etc, etc.

Stan
w7ni@...

jcastanton wrote:

Jim,

We had a long discussion about copyright last year. If we were to
have a private library for anything not specifically in the public
domain we should have no copyright problems. If you own the
instrument you probably purchased the copyright to the documentation
with it, so you are entitled to the information.

John Stanton

--- In TekScopes@y..., "Jim Nunn" <jimnunn0000@e...> wrote:
I have an underused FTP site, so if you would like to place your
complete manuals on it and make it a group resource, let me know
(atjstanton@v...).
John

Setting up a library of Tek manuals on the web would be extremely
useful to
the Tek collector community assuming that we do not break any
copyright
laws. Perhaps Tektronix would grant us permission for the older
manuals
that they no longer support.

I would be happy to scan my manuals,500 series and plugins and
supply them
in PDF format for your web page.

Jim Nunn

jimnunn0000@e...

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Re: Warning - Military Manuals

Stan or Patricia Griffiths
 

jcastanton wrote:

Jim,

I have an underused FTP site, so if you would like to place your
complete manuals on it and make it a group resource, let me know (at
jstanton@...).

I have some PDF manuals I can share as well.

Regards

John Stanton
Hi John,

I would recommend caution in making this offer. Virtually ALL Tektronix
manuals are copyrighted and in my conversations with a Tek Patent and
Copyright Attorney (currently working at Tek), he does not think ANY Tek
manuals are in the "public domain" even if the U.S.Government thinks they
are. Tek DID grant various branches of the U.S. military permission to copy
parts of certain Tek manuals for inclusion in military manuals with the
limitation that the copies were for military use only. I have seen a
statement to that effect in copies of military manuals that I have seen. It
actually says that parts of the info in those manuals is copyrighted and
reprinted with permission of Tektronix.. Some people choose to interpret
that statement to mean that it is now OK for the world to copy that
copyrighted material. When I suggested this to my Tek Copyright Attorney
friend, he actually laughed outloud! He certainly does not believe any of
Tek's copyrighted material, including manuals, those parts of military
manuals copied from Tek by the various branches, Tek catalogs, concepts
books, etc are in the public domain, with the possible exception of some
stuff done over 50 years ago, which means before 1952. The copyright notice
in those military manuals should be taken as a notice that portions of that
manual ARE COPYRIGHTED by Tek. Just because Tek recently granted ME
permission to copy their obsolete manuals (just like they granted this same
permission to the military) does NOT mean that I have the right to grant this
permission to you or anyone else. This essentially means that the military
does not have the right to grant YOU permission to copy Tek's still
copyrighted materials, despite what certain military spokespeople might try
to tell you . . . Tek still owns all of this stuff.

Having said that, I have been working for a few years to obtain permission
from the Tek Legal Department to copy and sell copies of early manuals and
other publications. I now have that written permission in my hand in the
form of a letter on Tek letterhead from the Tektronix Legal Department. I
believe I am the only individual or company to ever obtain such sweeping
permission from Tektronix. I plan to start making copies of Tek manuals and
other documents on CD ROM in the near future but I also plan to include a
copy of the official Tek "Modification Summary" for each instrument whose
documentation I offer on CD.

It is apparent that Tek does not seem to care much if people copy and
distribute obsolete manuals that can no longer be purchased from Tek, even
though this violates Tek's copyrights. There is one guy offering the TDS3000
manual on CD ROM on eBay right now and the Tek Attorney seemed very
interested in THAT . . . I thinkTek still sells the TDS3000 manuals . . . so
this guy could be cutting into Tek's revenue.

The other issue of interest is that most sellers of old Tek manuals on CD are
using eBay to make their sales. eBay has a very strict policy about selling
copyrighted materials on eBay and you can lose your eBay priviliges if they
catch you doing it. So, if you are thinking of getting into the business of
copying and selling old Tektronix documentation, I suggest you start where I
did . . . get permission from the Tektronix Legal Department. If you don't,
it amounts to theft of Tek's intellectual property.

One guy showed me a copy of a letter he got from a low-level Tektronix
Manuals Manager permitting him to make copies. I am sorry, but this
permission can only come from Tek's Legal Department. Low level managers
simply do not have the authority to bind Tek to agreements like that . . .

Stan
w7ni@...

PS For those of you who own copies of my book about early Tek scopes, take a
look on the back side of the first page of the book. There you will find my
own copyright statement but, more important, you will see that I received
official permission from Tektronix (Legal Department) to use photos of
instruments that I cut and pasted from old Tek Catalogs. I have the letter
of permission on file, if anyone doubts it. Getting permission is the
correct way to do this . . .
Re: Question for the experts

Lynn Lewis
 

Thanks Dieter, I appreciate it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dieter Teuchert [mailto:dieter@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:26 AM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Question for the experts


Lynn,
the 7D11 digital delay plugin is very interesting, too. You sometimes see
them
go at ebay for $ 20.
It contains a 500 MHz oszillator phase locked to a good 5 MHz quartz and a
complete divider chain down to 1 Hz. You can run this unit with your own
+/- 15V
and +5V power supply and get all the signals needed to calibrate the
timebase of
your scopes.
I have the service manual, in case you need some schematic.
Regards
Dieter Teuchert
Re: Question for the experts

 

Lynn,
the 7D11 digital delay plugin is very interesting, too. You sometimes see them
go at ebay for $ 20.
It contains a 500 MHz oszillator phase locked to a good 5 MHz quartz and a
complete divider chain down to 1 Hz. You can run this unit with your own +/- 15V
and +5V power supply and get all the signals needed to calibrate the timebase of
your scopes.
I have the service manual, in case you need some schematic.
Regards
Dieter Teuchert

Lynn Lewis wrote:

I would like to get to the point where I can calibrate my own
oscilloscopes. To keep this question within reasonable limits, let's say (1)
analog only and (2) 500MHz or less. Rather than buy all this specialized
equipment, some of which seems to go with one scope and not with another,
can I buy generic equipment with minimum specifications that I can use to
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Re: repairing a 454

Craig Sawyers
 

Try Deane Kidd - he seems to have just about everything I've asked him for.
His e-mail is dektyr@...

Good luck

Craig

anyone have a schematic of the sweep circuit and the board layout for
a 454 scope. The serial # is B256125. Been looking for a manual for
it and not having any luck.
repairing a 454

 

anyone have a schematic of the sweep circuit and the board layout for
a 454 scope. The serial # is B256125. Been looking for a manual for
it and not having any luck.
Tek 571 curve tracer

Phil (VA3UX)
 

You guys were talking about a type 571 curve tracer a few days back. I think someone said that there was no type 571 (if I'm remembering this wrong, my apologies).

I ran across this type 571 curve tracer on eBay :



Phil
Re: Question for the experts

Phil (VA3UX)
 

Lynn, at least a constant amplitude signal generator, a time-mark generator and perhaps a square wave generator.

For the constant amplitude sig generator the Tek type 191 goes to 100 Mhz. The Tek "calibration fixture" type 067-0532-01 is another constant amplitude sig generator that covers 65 - 500 Mhz (the thing looks like it was actually made by GR).

For the time mark generator either the Tek type 184 or the type 2901.

An accurate voltage reference would also be needed but I wouldn't know what to suggest there. Fluke made that sort of thing but I don't know any model numbers. All of the stuff mentioned here can be used with any scope. I'm just a hobbyist so I think the real Tek guys will suggest even more than I have.

Phil

At 09:20 PM 1/25/2002 -0600, you wrote:
I would like to get to the point where I can calibrate my own
oscilloscopes. To keep this question within reasonable limits, let's say (1)
analog only and (2) 500MHz or less. Rather than buy all this specialized
equipment, some of which seems to go with one scope and not with another,
can I buy generic equipment with minimum specifications that I can use to
calibrate any scope within those limitations? If yes, what do you recommend?





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Question for the experts

Lynn Lewis
 

I would like to get to the point where I can calibrate my own
oscilloscopes. To keep this question within reasonable limits, let's say (1)
analog only and (2) 500MHz or less. Rather than buy all this specialized
equipment, some of which seems to go with one scope and not with another,
can I buy generic equipment with minimum specifications that I can use to
calibrate any scope within those limitations? If yes, what do you recommend?
Re: Silly prices on eBay

Lynn Lewis
 

That's not a bad price. Is there any chance the 500 series extender can be
made to fit a 7000?

I had thought about taking a female from a backplane and a male from the
back of a junk card and making my own extender. The problem is that the
cards don't have print running to all the pins. I remember seeing something,
in MCM I think, where you could "paint" new print on a PCB. Has anyone here
ever tried that?

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard W. Solomon [mailto:w1ksz@...]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:20 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Silly prices on eBay


Not that nuts - they are quite rare and very useful if you do a lot of
repair work.
Even the 500 series extenders go for $20-50.
Re: On screen display and other CRT items....

 

Craig,
The option is 122C and Tek calls it 'High Voltage Diode Check'. I do not
have that option on my 575 but I infer from manual that current capability
is less than 1 mA: manual recommends to set display current to 0.01mA/div
when using this option. If you really want to convert your 575, I have a
write up, but work appears quite messy. The major additions are a
transformer and sections to rotary switches and there are also some changes
to wiring.
Regards
Miroslav Pokorni

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...>
To: <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] On screen display and other CRT items....


I'm coming in late, so pardon if I'm responding
to a non-issue. Someone doesn't recognize the 571.
That was Tek's first transistor curve tracer.
Looks similar to its predecessor the 570 tube
curve tracer.
I think you're thinking of the 575, David. I have one just behind me as I
type. They do Tunnel Diodes too (with care), and mine will in due course
do
tubes as well (via an add-on box fed from the 175 connector on the back
and
the tranny sockets on the front). The only limitation for tubes is the
200V
maximum collector (anode) sweep. Those lucky ones who have an option (I
think 21?) have a 400V sweep, and that would clearly be even more useful.

Craig
Re: On screen display and other CRT items....

 

I have never heard of 571. But, Dave, I take exception to your leap to 576.
As a proud owner of a 575 I can not let it go by that you skip mentioning
the old transistor tracer stalwart.

Regards
Miroslav Pokorni

----- Original Message -----

From: "David Wise" <david_wise@...>
To: <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] On screen display and other CRT items....


From: donlcramer@... [mailto:donlcramer@...]

My apologies Miroslav. Our curve tracer is I think a 576,
not a 571. A bad
I'm coming in late, so pardon if I'm responding
to a non-issue. Someone doesn't recognize the 571.
That was Tek's first transistor curve tracer.
Looks similar to its predecessor the 570 tube
curve tracer.

I used one in school, great instrument but
superseded by the 576 (smaller, looks more 7000-ish,
claims to do FETs as well as bipolars*) and I don't
know what-all since then.

* You can sort of do FETs on the 571 too, but it won't tell
you how.

Regards,
Dave Wise
Re: HP counter - off topic

 

Hello Craig,

You might want to consider using a wire-OR of 2-input open collector NANDs,
e.g. 74LS38. It is still a kludge but it is only one IC with few wires and a
flying resistor. If you place a socket on the circuit board and use one of
those 'discrete component adapters' you can do whole thing without cutting
original board.

While on the subject of strange ICs, does anyone know what are Tek's
155-0015-01 and 155-0038-01; the latter is used in 7M13, a Readout Unit, a
plug in that puts text on the screen of 7000 scope.

Regards
Miroslav Pokorni

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...>
To: <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:39 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] HP counter - off topic


Hi List

I *know* this is a Tek list - so this is off topic. However, I was so
pleased to have sorted out a problem on my HP 5328A timer I just had to
crow
a little.

Ever since I got it, some of the funtions didn't work well (like time
interval and ratio). However, when frequency and period measurement died
too it was clearly time to do something about it. Now this counter cost
me
???22 (around $30) on eBay, so it owed me nothing - but I'm a determined
cuss
and rarely admit defeat.

Followed around 3 days of diagnostics - derailed by errors in the manual
(the military version). Eventually it turned out to be a chip on the
Function Selector card - labelled Time Base Multiplexer. Now this was a
7454, now obsolete. So having dug out the chip, isolated the output pin
and
confirmed that it was indeed *that* chip (and not the one it was driving
holding its output low) I was then confronted with what to do.

Now the chip is a bunch of ANDs and a NOR that does /(AB + CD + EF + GH).
So it would have been possible to replace it with a 7400 and a 4-input
NOR -
except that there is no 4-input NOR in fast TTL, just in slow CMOS (and
this
chip has to handle a PLL synthesised 100MHz clock). So I transformed the
logic funtion to /(AB)./(CD)./(EF)./GH and used a 74F00 (quad 2-input
NAND)
and 74ALS21 (dual 4-input AND), strung together in place of the original
7454.

Works an absolute treat!

Cheers

Craig
Re: Silly prices on eBay

Richard W. Solomon
 

Not that nuts - they are quite rare and very useful if you do a lot of
repair work.
Even the 500 series extenders go for $20-50.

Regards,
Dick S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Sawyers [mailto:c.sawyers@...]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:51 AM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Silly prices on eBay


This one really is nuts - 1692324316 - a Tek 7000 series card extender
closed at $162.50 after 9 bids.

Craig


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Re: Silly prices on eBay

Lynn Lewis
 

Tektronix 067-0616-00 Calibration Fixture
Item # 1689683477

The flexible version sold for $270.96

I'd like to have either one but that's more than I want to pay.

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Sawyers [mailto:c.sawyers@...]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 7:51 AM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Silly prices on eBay


This one really is nuts - 1692324316 - a Tek 7000 series card extender
closed at $162.50 after 9 bids.
Re: Silly prices on eBay

John Miles
 

Those are worth their weight in gold if you need one, though. I paid more
than that for a set of 492 extender boards and haven't regretted it yet.

-- jm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...>
To: <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:51 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] Silly prices on eBay


This one really is nuts - 1692324316 - a Tek 7000 series card extender
closed at $162.50 after 9 bids.

Craig
Re: Warning - Military Manuals

William de Bruyn
 

Hello Jim, I would be very interested in some of the manuals I haven't been
able to aquire, I will look forward to seeing what you have, perhaps we can
exchange some information also.

William de Bruyn

You are right. Many of the military manuals are only
parts lists and calibration info. The Army website
listed on this forum previously showed 68 Tektronix
manuals. Only about a dozen of these are complete
Operator/Service type manuals (I know, I downloaded
all of them plus the HP, Fluke, Wavetek, etc.). I
have spent many hours sorting through my downloads to
label the files as regular manuals or parts manuals.

I have also found many more manuals on the Marines and
Navy websites. There is a statement on the Marine
site that now says all of these manuals are free for
public use and unlimited distribution.

If anyone in this group needs one of these manuals on
CD, let me know. I will try to make a list of what I
have and put it on an FTP site.

I am not going to try to sell CDs like others, but
will give you the CD for my cost to make,package, and
ship (I already traded Stan Griffiths a set).

I also have hundreds of original manuals also I will
usually sell for a lot less than most manual places.

Jim Reese

--- jcastanton <jstanton@...> wrote:
Recently CD collections of military test equipment
manuals have
become available. With excitement I bought a
collection of "31
Tektronix Manuals".

To my disappointment the "manuals" were in fact
simple notes; some
just parts lists, others simplified calibrations
instructions. There
are no schematics or service information. Beware.

On the question of life of TV and monitor tubes I
seem to recollect
that life was extended by limiting brightness.
Monitor quality
certainly makes a difference, we have 15 year old
IBM monitors that
cost around $3,000 when new but still work perfectly
yet only expect
modern PC monitors to function for a couple of years
before they fail
and are discarded as beyond economical repair.


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Re: Warning - Military Manuals

Lynn Lewis
 

Tektronix Copyright is not a problem. I checked with both the Army and with
Tektronix before I distributed any PDF files.
Here are my questions and the answers provided by the Army:

* * * * * * * * * *

"1 If they are approved for public release, is it okay to access this site?"
Response: Yes.

"2. If it is not okay to access this site, then where can I get the files
since they have been approved for public release?"

Response: It is okay to access this site. Those publications that are do not
have distribution code A (public release) require a logonid and password to
access.

"3. Since these documents were authored by the U.S. Army or its agents and
they have been approved for public release with unlimited distribution, is
there any copyright infringement when the documents are copied and sent to
others?

Response: Please let us know if you find a publications that indicates
copyright.

"4. It appears that the creation of the online manuals was interrupted since
many manuals do not appear there. Is there another source from which the
missing manuals can be obtained? (Or does the fact that they are not there
indicate that they were never placed in PDF files?)"

Response: They may be Interactive Electronic Technical Manuals(IETM). At
this time, they IETMs are not at the ETMs Online website.

Other source: National Technical Information Service (NTSI) sells
nonclassified/nonrestricted publications to nonDOD persons. 1-800-553-6847
(Sales Office - can check to see if they have pub and what it will cost
requestor.)

Your interest in electronic technical manuals is greatly appreciated. If
future inquiries to LOGSA are necessary on this e-mail, please refer to
Control Number 2964, via e-mail address: logetm@...

Judith Stephens

ETM Configuration Spec

DSN 645-9844

Commercial 256 955-9844

* * * * * * * * * *

Of course we know that some manuals do indicate a Tektronix copyright but
then here are my questions to Tektronix and their responses:

* * * * * * * * * *

Dear Mr. Lewis:


This responds to your recent email message regarding the copying of
Tektronix manuals (or corresponding PDF files) for now-discontinued products
originally provided to the military.


You asked:

1. Have these been placed in the public domain? If yes, is there a notice
available to that effect?

These manuals (including any corresponding PDF files made by the military)
have not been placed in the public domain. However, they may be freely
copied and reproduced per the terms set forth below.

2. Is it okay to distribute these freely? If yes, what constraints,
disclaimers, or messages would you require to be placed in an ebay auction
for the purpose of distributing this PDF file either by way of an email
attachment or by way of a CD containing the PDF file.

Yes, subject to the following terms and conditions set forth below,
Tektronix, Inc. hereby grants you a non-exclusive, royalty-free license and
permission to reproduce and distribute, in any form via any medium, copies
or partial copies of the Tektronix materials identified in your December 31
email message.

This permission and license does not apply to any manual or other
publication that is available directly from Tektronix, nor to any manual or
other publication for video production products (Grass Valley Group and
Profile brand products)or color printer products.

All copies must include the copyright notice(s) carried by the copied
work(s)- e.g., Copyright 19XX Tektronix, Inc. All rights reserved."

Tektronix does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information,
text, graphics, schematics, parts lists, or other material contained within
any manual or other publication that is produced or distributed in
accordance with the permission and license set forth above. TEKTRONIX SHALL
NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY
CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, BUSINESS
INTERRUPTION, OR FOR INFRINGEMENT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY) ARISING OUT OF
THE USE OF ANY MANUAL OR OTHER PUBLICATION PRODUCED OR DISTRIBUTED IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE PERMISSION AND LICENSE SET FORTH ABOVE."

3. If it is not okay to download and/or distribute them, how can I get them
legally?

n/a

If you have any further questions about the reproduction of Tektronix
manuals, please direct them to me at the email address shown below.

John D. Winkelman

Tektronix, Inc.

Law Department

email: john.d.winkelman@...



* * * * * * * * * *

Based on these two responses, I see no problem with setting up an online
library as long as we follow the guidelines given by Mr. Winkelman. Since we
have no control over the libraries that currently exist, I suggest that we
(wide-band users) make sure all the material available is archived on
several home-computers before somebody decides to take the sites down. I
think I have all the Tek manuals but I'll check over the weekend to be sure.

Question: If we do this on-line library, will it be limited to Tektronix?
Re: Warning - Military Manuals

 

Thanks! Now to find enough time to wade
through all that. It's a dirty job, but
somebody gets to do it :-)

From: Jim Reese [mailto:nfeinc@...]

Here are some more links to equipment manuals,
training manuals, and a lot more.
Regards,
Dave Wise
2246 parts needed

Charles Johnson
 

Hi All,
I have a 2246 with a bad input buffer amp module on CH.1 The service manual says the Tek part number is 165-2154-00. But the modules themselves have 165-2232-00 printed on them. The modules are clearly original, and factory installed. Anyway this is the part I need. Tek says they are stock out and no longer producing. It looks like I will have to obtain one from someone who has a junk 2246. Is there anybody that can help me here?
Thanks in advance.
Chuck Johnson
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