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Correction the Ignite CD (HP image CD isn't B3782-10496, it is B3760-14243))

If you need an iso of that reinstall boot CD for the 16700 series (16700_A0290.iso) I have a good one, but don't have the space on my website to store a copy

If you have somewhere I can upload it you’re welcome a copy.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge
Sent: 28 February 2018 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.

Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the good version of XWindows?

I think that could be me! Are you referring to < >?

if so the good one was on the HP_UX 10.20 install CD part number B3920-13640, not the HP image CD (B3782-10496).

However the page does say:

If you don't have the media, that could be a problem, so here is the original file:

< >

You just copy (mv) that file to /usr/contrib/lib/X11/ after backing up the existing one ...

You can set up the network on the 16700 by running (as root) /sbin/set_parms initial

Do be careful if you configure some of the additional networking parameters. Don't configure the system as a NIS client if it's not been setup on the NIS server - you can end up waiting forever :(

HtH
David

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard R. Pope
Sent: 28 February 2018 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.

Pete,
It starts up fine, runs the diagnostics, starts to load the 16700 Analyzer software and then the Display goes blank. The Monitor never goes in to sleep mode so I know that it is still receiving a signal.
When I shut it down the Display comes back and shows the Shutdown procedure.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the good version of XWindows? If you are I followed your procedure as laid out on the webpage. I couldn't find the sys.X11start file and the link that you provided took me to what looks like a text file and I don't know what to do with it.
Will you please help me out of this? If I could find a set of Floppy files or Images I could put an all new OS on it. This machine was in a Corporate Environment and it did not use DHCP so I can't access it over my network. The software has been heavy modified. I used to own Amigas. Amigados and Workbench were based on Unix and Xwindows. Also I have been dabbling in Linux for decades. I learn very quickly and I am very good about following directions.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 2/27/2018 7:05 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

Remember is a T&M that just happens to be running HPUX, there is NO
customization from HP. That's why unless you really know HPUX and Unix
stuff you will crash it all the time

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Pete Lancashire
<pete@...>
wrote:

If you crashed it hard, you get the CD from HP and do a full reload
the instructions are in the manual or online a few places.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:

Hello all,
Mine is a NEC 3x that uses a CD Carrier. Remember those!!
16700s do not have Displays. This is from an expert that explained
the terminology to me. The As came with Ethernet 10baseTs and no
CD-ROM drive. The Bs came with 10/100baseT and internal CD-ROM
drives. Mine is an Opt3 which means that the Graphics have been upgraded.
Yes, I made it where I can no longer run the Analyzer. This
has more to do with the way the machine was heavily customized. So
if someone could please help me to take this back to day one and
rebuild the OS from scratch it would be really appreciated?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 2/27/2018 7:36 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I

think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The good news
is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.

Another one is Yamaha, can't remember the model, it is the one SUN
used.

I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on

the original :-)

I've been attempted to try a SCSI<->SCSI80 adapter and see what
happens with on of the many 15K RPM 72GB drives I have.

got rid of the session manager
There is a display-less version of the 16700's.


On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Paul Amaranth <paul@...>
wrote:

IIRC, they use fvwm as the window manager and it's relatively easy
to

change the personality. At least once you find where they put the
configuration file.

It's an interesting box if you're familiar with Unix and/or HPUX.
I've hacked mine significantly, got rid of the session manager
(which is a real pig on that small machine) and use it remote.
Pretty slick getting a 24" DSO screen. (hint: ssh in, then run the
bare app with the DISPLAY variable set). Don't use vnc, that just
gets you an image of the LA desktop.

That's HPUX 10.2 and there are additional binaries you can load.
For a while the Merjin archive had dropped the 10.x binaries but
they're back online now. You can add bash and ssh as well as gcc,
perl and a few others.
Adding ssh makes it very easy to copy files in and out. On my
network that was a mandatory add. If you're unfortunate enough to
be using a windows machine to access the LA remotely, use putty.

All that said, if you're not familiar with unix, just accept the
UI they give you and learn to work with it. For me, having a
computer that runs an LA app is more useful than an LA that happens to run on a computer.
But
I've been building Unix systems for 30 years and can pretty much
make them do whatever I want.

I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The
good news is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.

I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on the original :-)

Paul

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:08AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote:

The 16700A is a piece of T&M that uses HPUX as its base control
software and UI. Although it is a complete kernel the "devices"
are not all standard, any changes to what you see and get and you
can tank the whole thing and have to start over from a CD mounted
via a external SCSI CD Drive, not only external but one that has
to support Unix size disk

blocks

vs native CD block sizes. Back to devices changes in the startup
sequence can cause I/O modules to stop working as well.

Your prompt is pretty much common for a system without a host
name, in

the

case the unknown is where the host-name would go

If you want to continue using it as a LA, I would strongly
suggest not changing the display and just get use to it.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Richard R. Pope <

mechanic_2@...>

wrote:

Hello all,

. . . . I have a benefactor that was nice enough to send me a
16700A

LA.
I don't like the Xwindows that is setup to look like Win95. UGH!
Going by Dave Partridge's web site allows be to get into HPUX but
from there it all comes a part for me. I am able to log into ISL
without any problems and

then I can log into hpux using the -is command. I get a
unknown:/>

prompt.
I am able to execute mkdir /cdrom with no problems. I don't know
enough

about Unix to find the sys.x11start.gz file. When I explore one
of the CDROM images that I have on my win machine there is no
such file. I

also
don't know how to access the cdrom drive that I have hooked up.
it does

show up in the path as sescsi.0.0 so I know that the system sees it.
Unfortunately there is no sys.x11start.gz on the CDROM discs. I
also

don't
know how to setup the network under UNIX.

GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

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Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows

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