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Not trying to push their product but I used the Superflite system and it was sooo much easier. the main reason was during Oshkosh airventure, they gave participating individuals a $500 voucher toward the purchase of their product and it was on par with other system prices. One coat primer and it included the UV protection then the topcoat (color) and it still looks wet even after 10 yrs mostly hangared though. I used their complete system (glue) with Dacron from ACS
On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 05:40:52 PM CST, jsnerstrom via groups.io <jsnerstrom@...> wrote:
Just saying: JClementOnFabric from files.
"Fabric is Ceconite 2.7 oz. from Wicks with Air Tech finishing system. Air Tech uses 2-3 coats of primer over the bare fabric, some sanding then color coat. Much faster and when finished less cost. Bob Danner used it on his TW and I did some of the painting, I liked it."
Did not say he recommended it just that he liked it.? Didn't really see a need for the capital letters.
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Just saying: JClementOnFabric from files.
"Fabric is Ceconite 2.7 oz. from Wicks with Air Tech finishing system. Air Tech uses 2-3 coats of primer over the bare fabric, some sanding then color coat. Much faster and when finished less cost. Bob Danner used it on his TW and I did some of the painting, I liked it."
Did not say he recommended it just that he liked it.? Didn't really see a need for the capital letters.
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Thanks for the link Keith!? Great builder log.? This is the kind of thing we look for when doing an airworthiness inspection.? Some are not nearly as good as? yours!
Joe
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Dan, great builders log, you did some great fabrication work.
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 04:05:30 PM CST, Dan Gidzinski via groups.io <dgidzinski@...> wrote:
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Here you go: ?https://eaabuilderslog.org/?blproject&proj=7Z1b6GTJh&sid=8KOcjMjDV&dosid
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Was there a link to the pictures that I missed???
I would like to see them but would not particularly like the hunt...
Sent from my Pixel 5a
On Sun, Dec 15, 2024, 4:05?PM Dan Gidzinski via <dgidzinski= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Mike.
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Thirty years of Polyfiber with their brand of urethane color on my Cessna 140.? Always hangared.? Looks new still.?
On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 4:29?PM Tailwind14855 via <Tailwind14855= [email protected]> wrote: Your post suggests thet JC recommended Air Tech and Loehle. He DID NOT. Clement #10 has the same issues I.ve experienced on m y W10. Serious cracking on many areas of upper surfaces. My W10 is dacron with dope including the base white, PPG for trim and on wings, flaps and ailerons.
The only cover jobs that I have seen that hold up long term, are Poly Fiber.?
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Your post suggests thet JC recommended Air Tech and Loehle. He DID NOT. Clement #10 has the same issues I.ve experienced on m y W10. Serious cracking on many areas of upper surfaces. My W10 is dacron with dope including the base white, PPG for trim and on wings, flaps and ailerons.
The only cover jobs that I have seen that hold up long term, are Poly Fiber.?
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Before deciding on Stits I suggest you research some of JC's comments on covering.? Save yourself a lot of time with AirTech or Loehle systems.? Results are excellent.
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That is excellent information, thank you , thank you for that.?
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Jim I used 36 yds of Ceconite fabric, C-102-3,
7 gallons of poly brush,
5 gallons of poly spray,
4 gallons of polytone plus a quart of grey for interior,
3 quarts of polytak cement, and7 gallons of reducer
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I also used 5 rolls of 2"" tape,
1 roll of 4" tape,
2 rolls of 3 " tape and
1 roll of bias cut tape
I bought a yard of 1.7 oz fabric to reinforce inspection rings, and drain grommets and a roll of rib lace cord and a roll of reinforcing tape
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P.S. I used a HVLP spray gun and I think that cut down on the coating use quite a bit.
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On 12/13/2024 8:08 PM CST Jim Schmidt <jim47ex@...> wrote:
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I see Wicks has their end of year sale. Even just amount of fabric and poly tack and polybrush would be helpful.?
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From: "WILLIAM via groups.io" <bbernard1945@...>
Date: 12/12/24 9:51 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] W8 in Devils lake ND
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Jim, I bought a cowl from Brian Alley for my Buttercup. It was for a Tailwind and required a lot of modifications to fit
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If you haven't built the fuselage yet making the firewall station the same as a Tailwind would save a lot of work.
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On 12/06/2024 5:39 PM CST Jim Schmidt <jim47ex@...> wrote:
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I agree on the hinged cowl. My only complaint about my RV6 which is very similar to a tailwind cowl is how hard it is to get off and on for maintenance.? Much thought? will be put into Buttercup cowl design. Will take ideas from original as it has hinged sections on both sides like that W8. Not looking forward to the sheet metal fabrication and custom fiberglass work with no drawings or dimensions.?
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From: "keith via groups.io" <keithdornseif@...>
Date: 12/5/24 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] W8 in Devils lake ND
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I like that hinged top cowl.
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Came across this for sale in my perusal of area auction sites ...
Maybe it has been listed elsewhere or the owner is a member here , but thought I would pass it on .
NOT MY AIRCRAFT ,? I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS AIRCRAFT .
it seems to be a few hours north of me.
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Jim I used 36 yds of Ceconite fabric, C-102-3,
7 gallons of poly brush,
5 gallons of poly spray,
4 gallons of polytone plus a quart of grey for interior,
3 quarts of polytak cement, and7 gallons of reducer
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I also used 5 rolls of 2"" tape,
1 roll of 4" tape,
2 rolls of 3 " tape and
1 roll of bias cut tape
I bought a yard of 1.7 oz fabric to reinforce inspection rings, and drain grommets and a roll of rib lace cord and a roll of reinforcing tape
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Hope this helps.
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Bill
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P.S. I used a HVLP spray gun and I think that cut down on the coating use quite a bit.
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On 12/13/2024 8:08 PM CST Jim Schmidt <jim47ex@...> wrote:
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Bill any chance you remember or saved receipts on covering materials for your Buttercup?
I see Wicks has their end of year sale. Even just amount of fabric and poly tack and polybrush would be helpful.?
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From: "WILLIAM via groups.io" <bbernard1945@...>
Date: 12/12/24 9:51 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] W8 in Devils lake ND
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Jim, I bought a cowl from Brian Alley for my Buttercup. It was for a Tailwind and required a lot of modifications to fit
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If you haven't built the fuselage yet making the firewall station the same as a Tailwind would save a lot of work.
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For what it's worth.
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Bill Bernard
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On 12/06/2024 5:39 PM CST Jim Schmidt <jim47ex@...> wrote:
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I agree on the hinged cowl. My only complaint about my RV6 which is very similar to a tailwind cowl is how hard it is to get off and on for maintenance.? Much thought? will be put into Buttercup cowl design. Will take ideas from original as it has hinged sections on both sides like that W8. Not looking forward to the sheet metal fabrication and custom fiberglass work with no drawings or dimensions.?
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From: "keith via groups.io" <keithdornseif@...>
Date: 12/5/24 7:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] W8 in Devils lake ND
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I like that hinged top cowl.
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Came across this for sale in my perusal of area auction sites ...
Maybe it has been listed elsewhere or the owner is a member here , but thought I would pass it on .
NOT MY AIRCRAFT ,? I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS AIRCRAFT .
it seems to be a few hours north of me.
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The W8 fuselage drawing shows tube centerlines. The W10 drawings show outside tube dimensions. The Baraboo? W10's were built from W8 drawings with penciled in changes. I measured the cabin dimensions on at least two Clement airplanes and confirmed cabin dimensions are same as W8.?
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 12:38:23 PM MST, Terry Burch via groups.io <terry.burch2@...> wrote:
I am building a VR3 Fuselage. I have found it to be fantastic. Right or wrong, it matches the Aircraft Spruce plans. I have found only one obvious mistake on the horizontal inboard rib, but was easily rectrified.
On Dec 14, 2024, at 9:29?AM, Tailwind14855 via groups.io <Tailwind14855@...> wrote:
? Idler with rod end bearings eliminated the need for rotating fitting on the aft end of forward pushrod.
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I am building a VR3 Fuselage. I have found it to be fantastic. Right or wrong, it matches the Aircraft Spruce plans. I have found only one obvious mistake on the horizontal inboard rib, but was easily rectrified.
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On Dec 14, 2024, at 9:29?AM, Tailwind14855 via groups.io <Tailwind14855@...> wrote:
? Idler with rod end bearings eliminated the need for rotating fitting on the aft end of forward pushrod.
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Dan,
I looked at your photos.? Nice work! and I'm jealous of your workshop :)
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 12:11:36 AM CST, Dan Gidzinski via groups.io <dgidzinski@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone for the advice. Matt, I just dumped a bunch of pictures on the EAA builders log thing. I've been meaning to do that, but hate messing around with the computer and loading pictures etc. You'll finish before me I'm sure, I'm moving like a snail. I have no excuses, I need to get after this thing and get it done. Been lazy and getting lazier unfortunately. Having a flying airplane and getting old doesn't help I suppose. ?I'm hoping to get the doors and sheet metal firewall aft done soon so I can move firewall forward. Just ordered a prop and already have the engine.
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Idler with rod end bearings eliminated the need for rotating fitting on the aft end of forward pushrod.
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I made a lot of small changes in the elevator controls. One major one was to use an idler which allows two separate tubes. The idler requires a larger fuselage cross tube to mount the idler fittings on. I'm pretty sure I? increased the horn dimension by 1/8". I may have offset the idler a bit to one side to increase clearance on push tubes.?
For those still building the basic fuselage the upper diagonal aft of station 111 can be offset slightly to the left at both ends.?
For the VR3 builders did they ever revise the tubes to conform to the changes made to correct dimensional errors. The major one is that cabin width dimensions should be tube centerline, NOT outside dimensions.?
I tried to discuss this with the VR people probably 20 years ago. They would not talk to me. I consider VR a total fraud.?
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Since this is the last time I¡¯ll build anything most likely, I wanted to press the easy button just once in my life. I ordered a new Titan O-340 which was delivered in June after 18 months on order. I just ordered the Sensenich 3 blade ground adjustable prop. I was considering the Catto but I wasn¡¯t real confident in their recommendation for pitch and diameter. They basically kept quoting the prop for an O-320 Tailwind. As far as I know, I¡¯m the only idiot who is building a Tailwind with a 340 so it¡¯s a guess as to prop selection. I didn¡¯t want to get into a situation where I¡¯m shipping props back and forth to CA to get it right.?
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Dan,?
I hear ya about the pictures, I have slowed down computer updates as well. ?Not so sure I¡¯ll finish before you¡my progress has slowed a bit, some of it due to the head scratching moments on how to finish this and that, some of it life! ?I¡¯m hoping to get a lot done this winter but we¡¯ll see. ?
What prop did you end up going with and what engine?
Matt
On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 01:11:36 AM EST, Dan Gidzinski via groups.io <dgidzinski@...> wrote:
Thanks everyone for the advice. Matt, I just dumped a bunch of pictures on the EAA builders log thing. I've been meaning to do that, but hate messing around with the computer and loading pictures etc. You'll finish before me I'm sure, I'm moving like a snail. I have no excuses, I need to get after this thing and get it done. Been lazy and getting lazier unfortunately. Having a flying airplane and getting old doesn't help I suppose. ?I'm hoping to get the doors and sheet metal firewall aft done soon so I can move firewall forward. Just ordered a prop and already have the engine.
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