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tactica:medieval rulebook 4
Hello, I read some posts, I have the sensation that for medieval period these rules are better than the last version Tactica II right ? someone use addenda/clubs rules to send me or the reference game sheet ? comments? thank you
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TACTICA 2 Neo-Assyrians v Neo-Babylonians Battle Report with Photos. 3
Last night's game: Neo-Assyrians v Neo-Babylonians, 03.03.25. TACTICA 2 As the Babylonian under the command of Hugh Marduk and Simopolassor and the Assyrians under the command of AshurBillonipal and Grahath Pilsner I faced each other across the dry plains, they were both eager to come to grips; the Babylonians for their freedom and the Assyrians for conquest., The Assyrians had placed their strong 4 horse chariot forces and most of their heavy cavalry on their right flank (under Grahath Pilsner I) with a strong heavy infantry centre including the 24 figure strong Quradu (FV5-6, elite, protected), 2 units of 36 Kisir Sharruti Heavy Archers (FV5-6, veteran) and a unit of Sab Sarri spearmen (FV5-6, veteran). On the left end of their infantry battleline under AshurBillonipal himself was a small unit of 12 armoured slingers with pavise (FV4-6, protected). Indeed it was in this left flank sector of the table that the bulk of the Assyrian light troops were placed. These included a contingent of 2 units of 12 Skyth horse archer, 2 units of javelin-armed massed light infantry (FV4-6, Veteran); one 24 figures strong and the other only 12. Additionally, the Assyrians had recruited a small 8 figure unit of ‘light’ camels (FV3-6, veteran) with their inferior bows; shooting only to a maximum of 12”. The Steep Hill in this Flank sector was to be bypassed ASAP and only held and defended if the opposing Babylonian forces were deemed to be significantly superior in numbers. The Babylonians had put all of their chariots (2 units of 2 4 horse chariots, FV5-6 with Impetus and 3 units of 3 2 horse chariots, Fv 4-6) on their left flank, supported by a small 12 figure unit of medium, Median cavalry (FV4-6, veteran). Their more numerous infantry centre included the Babylonian Palace Guard unit of 24 figures (FV5-6 Elite) on their left flank with 3 units of 36 heavy archers in 3 ranks (FV4-6, veteran) and a unit of (heavy) Elamite archers (FV3-6, veteran) on the right end of their line. also with a strong infantry centre and camel forces on their right flank. There were 2 low hills just to the front of the Babylonian infantry battleline in their right centre. The Babylonian right wing comprised 2 units of 12 Midianite camels (FV4-6, veteran) with 2 archers per camel but still with the inferior bow; shooting only to 12”. Just to the inside of the camels the Babylonian right wing commander Simopolassor placed a unit of 18 massed light infantry with Bows (FV3-6, Veteran). The Assyrians advanced hoping to prevent the Babylonians securing the low hills in the central sector of the table and indeed some strong missile fire (somewhat typical of Billshurbanipal when he’s ‘in a mood’) prevented the Babylonians from fully securing the hill by inflicting a Missile Halt in the very first Turn!. Heavy fire halted the Assyrian Sab Sarri spearmen unit in the centre leaving the Quradu isolated as the chariot and cavalry forces on their right swung further to the right to use their superior numbers and combat power to smash the Babylonian left flank. The isolated Quradu with the king were eventually overwhelmed by the superior numbers of Babylonian infantry opposite them and Broken quite early in the battle. However, the King escaped to rejoin a unit of Kisir Sharruti archers nearby. The 18 figure unit of medium cavalry on the Assyrian right flank smashed through the 2 horse chariots facing them whilst the massed array of imposing Assyrian 4 horse chariots drove forward on their inside gradually carving their way intially through their lighter Babylonian opponents and subsequently, the less numerous Babylonian 4 horse chariots. Despite great valour, Hugh Marduk’s dice rolling was pretty appalling throughout and so his multiple line defences were gradually eroded away ultimately enabling the victorious Assyrian chariots and cavalry to intervene and threaten the Babylonian infantry centre. The heavier armoured Assyrian infantry drove inexorably forward taking advantage of the Babylonian’s failure to occupy the low hills in their right centre. The weak unit of Elamite archers (FV3-6) were inevitably overcome and |Broken; disordering the adjacent unit of infantry which was then Broken in turn. Hugh Marduk charged forward with his guards in a desperate effort to stabilise the line but their lack of numbers told against them and they were quickly Broken as well. On their right flank, the Babylonian camel forces under Simpolassor were gradually degraded by missile fire and then combat with the Skyths and supporting Assyrian protected slinger unit and despite an isolated success against some of the Skyths, their casualty rate grew steadily until the eventually succumbed; losing the war of attrition. Whilst this was occurring on their left flank under AshurBillonipal, on their right flank, the Assyrian heavy chariots under Grahath Pilsner I similarly ground down the lighter Babylonians forces opposing them. The Assyrians were also, ultimately successful in the central sector of the battlefield where the Babylonian infantry units suffered devastating casualties in combat against their heavier Assyrian opponents who pummelled them mercilessly and ultimately routed nearly all of them, The Babylonian figure losses in all area of the battlefield ultimately combined to cause the Babylonian army to exceed its Breakpoint and Victory was delivered to the Assyrian oppressors! Victory, right, left and centre for the Assyrians. A well thought out and successfully applied plan eventually proved too much for the Babylonians (combined with their generally superior dice rolling) despite their breaking the Assyrian Quradu and nearly ‘getting’ the Assyrian king in the early stages of the encounter. Babylon still survives though and resistance will continue next week! :0) Annals of AshurBillonipal Starring – Grahath Pilsner I Extras: - Hugh Marduk and Simopolassor http://soa.org.uk/
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Thoughts about Bibracte and Tactica II
Gentlemen, Following, please find selected excerpts from a recent “study” on Bibracte. Referring to the diagram of a Marian Legion in acies triplex [sic] on page 67 of the spiral-bound Tactica II rulebook as well as Section 1.2 (Figure Basing) on page 1, I built a simple model of this well known fighting formation. It was a 15mm scale mock-up, and the component cohorts were drawn up in two ranks or ‘deep,’ so the tabletop footprint of this functional depiction that was completely lacking in any aesthetic value or tactile heft measured 28 centimeters (a little more than 11 inches) by approximately 27 centimeters (around 10.5 inches). The studied diagram recommended a distance of at least 4 inches or more (measured with the specific 15mm scale ruler) between the three lines of this proven in dozens of ancient battles formation. For this representation or abstraction of a deployed legion, I opted for 5 inches of space. This model legion did not have a double-strength “Eagle” cohort, so its total tabletop strength was 80 figurative miniatures. Looking over the ‘approximated scales’ in Section 1.1, it could be suggested (emphasis on the could), that this very simple model represented 4,800 men in 10 cohorts arranged in triplex acies, and had a rules frontage and depth of something like 165 yards by roughly 157 yards, respectively. Setting aside the always challenging if not problematic or irreconcilable issues over ground scale and figure scale on the wargames tabletop, I turned to page L14 where the Roman (Marian) army list was located, and decided that this legion would contain nothing but veterans carrying the usual combination of pila and swords. As such, the value of this formation added up to 640 points. With regard to the preparation of the opposing forces and the terrain over which they would fight, I think the Tactica II rules would serve very well for a refight of Bibracte. Based on my initial if also admittedly rough calculations, it appears that a 6 by 4-foot table would be sufficient if 15mm miniatures were being used. The several legions would be deployed along one long-edge, standing on the first or second tier of some hill model. The Warbands of the Helvetii would line up on the opposite long-edge and advance to engage the Romans. I suppose that one could upgrade the Roman infantry to elite status, which would give the legions a little more stamina or staying power. If these passages encourage you to read more, then please visit: https://nopaintingrequired.blogspot.com/search/label/Bibracte%20%22Brainstorms%22 Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. Cheers & good gaming, Chris
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Tactica 2 Hittites v New Kingdom Egyptian Game Report - Monday Night in Renfrew, Scotland. 3
New Kingdom Egyptians v Hittites - Tactica 2. Last night's game resulted in Victory for the Hatti. A battlke won perhaps but not necessarily, the war! Nest week Egyptian Revenge; the Mummy Returns! The Egyptian Commanders were young Crown Prince Grahamasses and grizzled old General Billhotep. The Hittite commanders were Gordutilya and Huttusili. The armies were around 2500pts each in Tactica 2 terms as follows: Hittite Army from 1300 BC—950BC Hittite 2-CH have Impetus and are subject to Obligatory Charges. They may About Face using a Complex Manoeuvre only. Otherwise, move as a normal 2CH. They have 2 shooting die per Model to 9” range. *Allied Asiatic chariots may shoot to any one of four sides—like Horse Archers. Chariots may Interpenetrate other Chariot units. Troop Type Size FV Sk-FV Quality Weapons Mounted 3 by 2-CH (I) (Hittite Guard) 0-5% 3-6 4-6 - EL Javelins 28 84pts 3 by 2-CH (I) (Hittite Guard) 0-5%* 3-6 4-6 - EL Javelins 28 84pts 3 by 2-CH (I) (Hittite Nobles) 0-5%* 3-6 4-6 - Vet Javelins 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (I) (Hittite Nobles) 0-5%* 3-6 4-6 - Vet Javelins 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (Allied Asiatics)* 15-30% 3-6 4-6 - V Various/Bows 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (Allied Asiatics)* 0-10% 3-6 4-6 - V Various/Bows 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (Allied Asiatics)* 0-10% 3-6 4-6 - V Various/Bows 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (Allied Asiatics)* 0-10% 3-6 4-6 - V Various/Bows 26 78pts Foot 36 by FT (Hittite Guard) 0-15% 24-48 5-6 - EL Khopesh 8 288pts 48 by FT (Hittite Militia) 20-50% 24-48 4-6 - MG Spears 5 240pts 48 by FT (Hittite Militia) 20-50% 24-48 4-6 - MG Spears 5 240pts 48 by FT (Achaean Allies) 0-20% 24-48 4-6 -Vet Spears 6 288pts 48 by Wb(I) (Libyans) FV 3-6 – V Various – 4.5pts 216pts 24 by WB(I) (Shaasu) FV 4-6 – Vet Javelins6.5 132pts 27 by Asiatic Militia LI FV 3-6 (5-6), MG Javelins 3 81pts 27 by LI (Asiatic Militia) 0-15% 12-27 3-6 (4-6) MG Bows 4 108pts 18 by LI (Asiatic Militia) 0-15% 12-27 3-6 (4-6) MG Bows 4 96pts 18 by LI (Asiatic Militia) 0-15% 12-27 3-6 (4-6) MG Bows 4 96pts 12 by LI (Libyans) 0-15% 12-27 3-6 (4-6) Vet V Bows 5 60pts 24 by SI (Libyan Skirmishers) 0-5% 8-20 – (4-6) Vet Javelins 2 48pts 12 by SI (Arabs) 0-2% 8-20 - (5-6) Vet Bow 3 36pts Total 2565pts Massed Figs 450 ARMY BREAKPOINT 225 Other points to note are the large number of Militia Grade troops in the army (Heavy and Light Foot) and the size of the 48 figure units of Heavy Foot which, by and large were larger than the typically smaller units of 36 heavy foot in the Egyptian army New Kingdom Egyptian Army from 1300 BC—950 BC Egyptian 2-CH may be purchased as Veterans or Elites at the appropriate costs. Egyptian 2-CH are allowed to be deployed in 2 Model units. This reflects the relative professionalism of standing Egyptian armies compared with their Asiatic opponents. *All 2-CH may shoot to any one of four sides—like Horse Archers. Troop Type Size FV Sk-FV Quality Weapons Mounted 2 by 2-CH (Egyptians)* 5-15%* 2-6 4-6 - EL Various/Bows 28 56pts 2 by 2-CH (Egyptians)* 5-15%* 2-6 4-6 - EL Various/Bows 28 56pts 3 by 2-CH (Egyptian Heroes)* 5-15%* 2-6 4-6 - EL Various/Bows 28 84pts 3 by 2-CH (Prince’s Unit)* 5-15%* 2-6 4-6 – EL Various/Bows 28 84pts 3 by 2-CH (Egyptians)* 5-15%* 2-6 4-6 – Vet Various/Bows 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (Egyptians)* 5-15%* 2-6 4-6 - Vet Various/Bows 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (Egyptians)* 5-15%* 2-6 4-6 - Vet Various/Bows 26 78pts 3 by 2-CH (Allied Asiatics)* 0-10% 3-6 4-6 - V Various/Bows 26 78pts Foot 36 by FT (Egyptian Guard) 0-15% 24-48 5-6 - EL Khopesh 8 288pts 36 by FT (Egyptians) 20-40% 24-48 4-6 - V Spears 6 216pts 36 by FT (Egyptians) 20-40% 24-48 4-6 - V Spears 6 216pts 36 by FT (Egyptians) 20-40% 24-48 4-6 - V Spears 6 216pts 36 by FT (Egyptians Heavy Archers) 20-40% 24-48 4-6 - V Bow/Axe 7 252pts 20 by FT (Egyptian Archers) 10-20% 24-48 3-6 - V Bows 5 100pts 20 by FT (Egyptian Archers) 10-20% 24-48 3-6 - V Bows 5 100pts 20 by FT (Egyptian Archers) 10-20% 24-48 3-6 - V Bows 5 100pts 48 by WB (I) (Nubians) 0-20% 24-48 3-6 – Vet Bows5.5 264pts 27 by LI (Peherer) 0-15% 12-27 3-6 (5-6) Vet Javelins/Bow 5 135pts 24 by SI (Nubians/Canaanites) 0-5% 8-2
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Hittites vs NKEs - battle report 11
A fictional fight between Hittites and New Kingdom Egyptians. The armies involved were fairly large, with a combined point value of 8,175. The total number of massed unit figures on the tabletop added up to 1,478. The terrain was a fairly open, but there was an oasis (of a sort) in the approximate center. The armies were deployed with chariots on the wings and some in reserve. The various foot formations occupied the center. Action on the wings quickly developed, with the dice gods favoring the Hittites. In the center, things took a little longer to get going, but again, the advantage was with the Hittites. Towards the end of the contest, there was a shift of luck towards the NKE army, but it was too little and too late. The victory and the comparatively flat and featureless field went to the Hittites. For those interested, the blog post containing more details is: https://nopaintingrequired.blogspot.com/search/label/1172%20BC Thanks in advance for your time.
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Some thoughts about Indian archery . . .
Gentlemen, As a result of my "adventure" posted on 22 January with Seleucids vs Indians (not to this Forum, but two others), I have cobbled together some thoughts about Classical Indian archery. In addition to general comments and a small rules survey, I conduct three "experiments" using the Tactica II rules. If interested, I encourage you to stop by. If more interested, I look forward to any comments and remarks that might be posted here or on the blog itself. The link address is: https://nopaintingrequired.blogspot.com/search/label/An%20Assessment%20of%20Indian%20Archery Cheers, Chris
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Camels, Nobles, and more . . .
Another fictional and even larger contest this time around, featuring Arab (Conquest) and Byzantines. The combined point value of the drafted and assembled armies was 16,828. The total number of massed unit figures on the tabletop added up to 2,464. The landscape for this engagement was rather similar to that of Callinicum (531 CE), which was a selection for Battle Day 2009. Both commanders deployed their foot near the river bank, their heavy cavalry in the center, and their light horse furthest from the river bank. The clash was a fairly straight forward affair, with the mounted formations coming to grips before the slower infantry engaged. The great advantage held by the Byzantines with regard to archery turned out to be more of a disadvantage. A hard-fought, attritional battle saw the Arabs emerge victorious. For those interested, the blog post containing more details is: https://nopaintingrequired.blogspot.com/search/label/Camels%20and%20Nobles Thanks in advance for your time.
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Pagan Prussian v Teutonic knight T2 game tonight, interesting in peoples thoughts on classification of prussians 14
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TACTICA 2 Seleucids v Ptolemaics Monday Night Game
Uploaded to Files, .doc file report and photos of last night's Tactica 2 game betweed Ptolemaics and Seleucids. Cheers, Simon
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Carthage vs Rome
A fictional fight between Carthage and Rome using Tactica II rules. The armies involved were largish, with a combined point value of 8,444, and a combined total number of massed unit figures equaling 1,390. The terrain was a mix of three ancient battlefields. The armies were deployed in the usual or traditional manner, with cavalry on the wings and infantry in the center. On the flanks, both sides fought a swirling, attritional engagement. The Numidians were able to occupy the enemy allied horse, though it cost them everything. The consular legions were able to withstand the charge of the Celts and then rout them. A second wave of Spanish and allied troops did more damage, essentially breaking an allied as well as a Roman legion. It was a hard-fought and attritional affair lasting 11 turns. In the end, the Carthaginians were able to claim the field and battle honors, although the cost was very, very high. A full blog post can be found, read, and remarked upon here: https://nopaintingrequired.blogspot.com/search/label/Carthage%20vs%20Rome%20with%20Tactica%20II
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Greeks v Persian picture of a recent game 9
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Teutonic Knights v Pagan Prussian
Anyone developed a Pagan Prussian army for Tactica ? Troop types would be Noble Cav , probably quite light compared to knights , war-band infantry and a large number of unenthusiastic levey infantry and some bowmen , thanks Jim
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TACTICA 2 New Kingdom Egyptians v Hittites (sans Camels) - Last Night's game summary 3
Victory for Pharaoh Gordosses over the Hatti. Pharaoh’s deployment was to keep a secure flank on his left with a concentration of Light Infantry backed up by Chariots with a Missile-heavy line of Heavy Archers in the left centre of the battleline and the bulk of the Spearmen on the right of the battleline. The Right Wing had a more concentrated mix of Chariots a with relatively fewer LI and supported by a small 24 figure Warband of Shaasu. The Hittites spread their chariots pretty evenly between the 2 wings with a front line of the heavier 3 man chariots and the lighter, single archer Syrias/Canaanite types. Chariots units were able to interpenetrate. The Hittite Guard anchored the right end of the Hittite battleline with the 48 figure Libyan Warband on the left end and the Hittite Foot and Achaeans in between. In the end, the Egyptian Heavy Archers did softne up the Hittite battleline (notably the Hittite Guards) although the bowfire wasn’t quite as good as it could have been. On the Egyptian right wing a semi-stalemate set in. On the |Egyptian Left wing, the Light Infantry units effectively defused the Hittite Chariot attack and enabled the left end of the Egyptian battleline to outflank the Hittite Guards who broke and seeded the collapse of the Hittite battleline. Overall, Pharaoh had the favour of the Gods with respect to the dice but not excessively so and the Hittites had a few notable instances of good fortune too (Fates Roll passes etc.). In the absence of any Camels, the Chariots were more able to influence events but the battle was really decided by the Infantry battleline combats in which the Egyptian Spearmen, heavy archers and the Nubian Warband all contributed. On the Hittite side, the Achaeans performed well but the Libyans and the Hittite Foot proved vulnerable.
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Gaugamela Battle Report 8
Gents, Please find link to recent blog post wherein I attempt to describe how I went about refighting Gaugamela with Tactica II. Thanks to Doug and Jacob for weighing in with initial post on subject. Appreciate the input. Anyway, here is the link: https://nopaintingrequired.blogspot.com/search/label/Gaugamela%20Again Cheers, Chris
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Gaugamela with TACTICA 2? 5
Gents, First post of July 2024 . . . A search of the keyword "Gaugamela" indicated that of the 100-plus posts in this dedicated forum, none were about or related to this 331 BC battle between Alex and Darius. Wondering if this clash has ever been contemplated by players of TACTICA 2? Wondering if OOBs have been sketched out and revised? Wondering if a refight of this battle would be possible/suitable for these rules? Cheers, good health and good gaming, Chris
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Painted Models 19
Hey everyone, I'm now at the point of basing my first models and was wondering if I could see some photos of people's finished miniatures for Tactica as an example? I'm also wondering if I should remove as much of the stand as possible that comes attached to the feet? I'd prefer to see 15mm as that's what I'm working with, but I'd be happy to see whatever people have. -Jacob
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COMERCIAL: Re: [Tactica] New Kingdom Egyptians v Hittites
txs for sharing!!! Nice game De: [email protected] <[email protected]> en nombre de WATSON SIMON via groups.io <simon.watson5@...> Enviado: martes, 12 de marzo de 2024 16:32 Para: [email protected] <[email protected]> Asunto: COMERCIAL: Re: [Tactica] New Kingdom Egyptians v Hittites Cheers Doug. Happy gaming. Best wishes from sunny Renfrew. Simon Click here to report this email as spam.
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Fantasy Tactica 4
Is there any interest in playing fantasy battles using Tactica? Years ago my buddy, Tom Rogers, and I wrote very comprehensive army lists for Tolkien. We had one list for the good guys and one list for the bad guys. You name it, we had it (Elves, Dwarves, Eagles, Nazguls, Rohirrim, Southrons, Orcs, Hobbits, etc.). I also started writing lists for Conan's world. I got as far as writing a list for Aquilonia but I've always wanted to get back to the project. Each nation in Conan's world has a counterpart in our history. For example, Aquilonia is roughly equivalent to the Carolingian Empire but also has their version of Longbowmen. Neither set of lists includes magic (battle magic is a chancy thing. While the wizard is trying to remember the words of a spell, someone shoots an arrow at him. Does terrible things for his concentration). Let me know if anyone has any interest in playing historical games set in a fantasy world. Bob Burke
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New Kingdom Egyptians v Hittites 3
Last night's game was a hard-fought victory for the Hatti. Pharoah Seti decided on a left hook with a mixed force of chariots, disciplined foot and the Libyan Warband whilst inclining the overall battleline (at an angle) to the right, holding back the rather outnumbered chariot wing in the right Flank Sector of the table in the face of the much superior (in numbers) Hittite chariot forces deployed in in multiple lines opposite. In the end though, this plan failed idespite the initial breakthrough by the Libyan Warband which then Pursued to be ultimately defeated by the Hittite second line of (Impetus) chariots. The Hittite Guard Unit was though defeated in this sector in their ambitious uphill attack on disciplined Egyptian Foot units (including armoured archers) positioned on the Low Hill. On the Egyptian right however, the passive refusal of the line didn't prevent its being destroyed by the more numerous Hittite chariots. This then left the unit of 30 Egyptian Foot Archers (FV 3-6) on the right end of the Egyptian battleline horribly exposed to the combined Charge of the Achaean Warband and a large unit of 48 Hittite Foot (FV 4-6 Militia Grade); with inevitable consequences. Overall, I think that the Hittites had a slight 'rub of the green' with the dice but not excessively so; just at a couple of critical moments. Although the Chariot Interpenetration (optional) rules were available for use, I don't think anybody availed themselves of the additional tactical flexibility it could have offered. Personally, I felt that the absence of a concentration of the Egyptian Heavy Foot archery in a single specific 'locus' combined with the forward disposition of the Egyptian (Nubian) skirmishers which somewhat occluded their available targets available to them diminished the efficacy of the Egyptian firepower which is one of the strengths of the Egyptian army. This, combined with the readily apparent, defensive passivity of the Egyptian (refused-right) deployment and the relatively weak composition of forces deployed on their right was possibly too severe a constraint on the tactical flexibility imposed on the Egyptian forces in this sector of the field. Essentially, the resources were insufficient to promote any confidence in a more aggressive posture. That said, the end result was actually pretty close with the Hittite army being significantly degraded. Nest week; revenge? The armies were quite large and room for manoeuvre by the chariot forces was indeed limited but then again, the optional 'Interpenetration' tactics were not used. These may have compensated for the lack of 'wide-open' spaces in the Flank sectors. The Wood and Steep Hill on the Egyptian left also cramped the space available. The Egyptians need to be able to maximise the effectiveness of their Missile Capability and also be able to exploit the manoeuvrability of the small (2 Model) Chariot units available to them. COMMENTS WELCOME .
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French Wars of Religion Module 8
Thanks Doug and Bob for the excellent French Wars of Religion Modules, it obviously Represents a lot of hard work and research , I’m looking forward to trying out some of the army lists / scenarios . jim
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