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Chainplate Access
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Billy Ray,
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I have only redone the aft chainplate and can only tell you that they used plywood that was surrounded by an epoxy/glass coating that will eventually rot out to the point that it is soil/dirt. The access to the aft chainplate assembly is easy enough but the port and starboard chainplates are in the head and hanging locker with very limited room to manouver. This is one of the reasons I have not tried to re-bed my own port and stbd chainplates. The chainplates were kind of a design flaw with the early T27s as the wood enclosed in fiberglass would eventually rot leaving only the through bolts and chainplate to keep the shroud/stay in place. A marine surveyor told me to drill some holes in the knee wall of the port and stbd chainplate support structures and let it dry and fill it with epoxy starting at the lowest hole first. You put duct tape over each hole as it is filled from above and the whole structure should be more seaworthy. I have only drilled some drainage holes on our T27 chainplate knee walls and have not tried to fill them with epoxy yet. Better yet you want to do a good job of bedding the chainplate cover/deck joint so water does not get in there in the first place. The best option is to put the chainplates out on the hull with straps that lead down with backing plates to bolt to it but that sounds like work. Best of luck in those tight quarters. Caleb D T27 #328, 1967, Odalisque -----Original Message-----
From: backstay13 <backstay13@...> To: T27Owners@... Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 2:45 pm Subject: [T27Owners] Chainplate Access Scarlet Hull Number 79 I've just about finished recoreing my deck and the next project appears to be the chainplates due to the rust seeping out the bottom. Any advice on removing the covering would be welcome. Questions like how deep do I cut come to mind? Billy Ray Davis Columbia, SC Yahoo! Groups Links ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. |
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Dear Caleb,
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I redid our 1967 chain plates 4 years ago. There was no sign of a problem rxternally, but drilling a small hole brought out moist pulp on the bit. When I opened them up (p + s) the bolts (galvanized) were rusted almost completely through. I don't think filling with epoxy would have done nearly enough to strengthen the plates connection to the boat.. Long story short: I replaced the knee with epoxy encased marine plywood, and then used longer ss bolts so the heads and nuts are on the outside of the fiberglass. Good luck with your project! Marty On 18-Jul-07, at 9:14 PM, calebjess@... wrote: A marine surveyor told me to drill some holes in the knee wall of the |
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Caleb, ? Marty Levenson and I spoke yesterday afternoon. He has been through the process and suggested I drill holes every 1/4 inch down the inside edge as well as where it joins the hull then peel it back, repair, then put it back and glass it over. Any way you look at it, it will be a pain but absolutely necessary. ? Thanks for the advice. ? Billy Ray Davis calebjess@... wrote:
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Marty, ? Thanks for the email and the phone call. Much as I don't relish this project it sure sounds like I can't avoid it! ? Happy Salin! ? Billy Ray Davis Marty Levenson wrote:
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tartan27plee
I have photos of my new chainplates. The guy I bough the T27 ended up removing the
hanging closet to do this job, but I am sure you don't have to. It will be a little tight but should be doable. I plan on refitting a hanging closet before I launch it next year. I am just thankful that he did all the dirty job and did it nicely. On the survey report, the surveyor's remark says Excellent, Extra Heavy Duty New Chainplates. It is not glassed over. I will post photos of it tonight or tomorrow and let you guys know when it is up. Paul |
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--- In T27Owners@..., "tartan27plee" <tartan27plee@...>
wrote: up removing the hanging closet to do this job, but I am sure you don't have to. Itwill be a little tight but should be doable.I am just thankful that he did all the dirty job and did it nicely. On the survey report, thesurveyor's remark says Excellent, Extra Heavy Duty New Chainplates.tomorrow and let you guys know when it is up. |
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Paul, ? Thanks for the encouragement and prompting in replacing my chainplates. Boy am I glad I cut the boogers out!!!! ? After agnoizing over how to do it for months and with what tool I finally managed to clear away most of the obstructions an used?my brother in law's "Fein Multitool". Two hours later I was done! It wouldn't have taken nearly that long but the contorted positions you have to get into limited me to working a max of 10 minutes before I had to rest. Scarlet is hull?# 79 an believe me they had to be replaced! After sitting inside my barn for?12-14 months I still got a cup of water out of the bottom when I started cutting.?The fiberglass had seperated from the plywood and the bolts were well on their way to corroding through and she has been in fresh water most of her life!?For those of you who have an older boat and haven't replaced them do yourself a
favor buy or rent a Fein Multitool which will allow you to cut them out in no time without the?danger of cutting through the hull. You will be shocked at what you find! ? I'm using Paul's method and putting the chainpates on the exterior so I can monitor what is going on in the years to come. It should take me another month or so to complete the project in my limited spare time but I'm sure whatever the finished product is will be a lot better/stronger than what I had before. ? Happy Sailing! ? Billy Ray Davis Jr Scarlet #79 tartan27plee wrote:
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emma peal
Hi: I have Triumph, hull 678, and need to replace all
my side portlights. Aside from leaking, they are crazed. Were they acrylic? What to use to replace? Is Lexan a good choice. What thickness? I don;t want to use tempered glass because of the wt. Miss Emma. --- Bill Davis <backstay13@...> wrote: Paul, ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ |
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Brian
Did anyone ever post pics of this? I have hull #71 and this is my
next major headache/project. I think external chainplates would make the walkway nicer as well. --- In T27Owners@..., Bill Davis <backstay13@...> wrote: chainplates. Boy am I glad I cut the boogers out!!!! finally managed to clear away most of the obstructions an used my brother in law's "Fein Multitool". Two hours later I was done! It wouldn't have taken nearly that long but the contorted positions you have to get into limited me to working a max of 10 minutes before I had to rest. Scarlet is hull # 79 an believe me they had to be replaced! After sitting inside my barn for 12-14 months I still got a cup of water out of the bottom when I started cutting. The fiberglass had seperated from the plywood and the bolts were well on their way to corroding through and she has been in fresh water most of her life! For those of you who have an older boat and haven't replaced them do yourself a favor buy or rent a Fein Multitool which will allow you to cut them out in no time without the danger of cutting through the hull. You will be shocked at what you find! exterior so I can monitor what is going on in the years to come. It should take me another month or so to complete the project in my limited spare time but I'm sure whatever the finished product is will be a lot better/stronger than what I had before. up removing the hanging closet to do this job, but I am sure you don't have to. Itwill be a little tight but should be doable.I am just thankful that he did all the dirty job and did it nicely. On the survey report, thesurveyor's remark says Excellent, Extra Heavy Duty New Chainplates.tomorrow and let you guys know when it is up. |
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I am currently doing mine in place on hull #116. When finished, the only difference will be that the gussett will be sealed into the deck and the chainplates will be on the outside of the assembly instead of glassed up. All I can say is, its cramped in the head, and I can't imagine working in the closet.
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