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Re: Starboard leaks

Matthias Klemm
 

K.,
That's interesting! Where are you located? I have been living aboard in Florida since November 2006 (though I have spent the summers in a house up north). It's also interesting since I also have a leak in the quarterberth area that I haven't figured out yet. Though I have a couple of suspects: There is a hole from an earlier compass mounted on the seat area in front of the companion way and the other is from the engine instrument panel in the cockpit well.

Matthias
Carpe Diem
#484 1970

On Jul 19, 2008, at 9:16 AM, ksmith4312 wrote:

Sorry my hull # is 442 1970 and I recently moved on board. Little
tight but for one is do able. I think you and I may have talked
seems like you had some left over balsa? --- In
T27Owners@..., Bill Davis <backstay13@...> wrote:

Dear Sir,

I have just finished re-coring my entire deck and about 1/2 of the
cabin top. Depending on where the fitting is placed you either have a
core between two layers of fiberglass of balsa or marine grade
plywood in that area. A simple fix is to inject epoxy and drill a
pilot hole for the screws. You may have to inject it several times if
it is balsa before you have a substantial base to work with. Be sure
and use caulk before you mount the fitting. If done properly that
should last you for a long time unless your balsa is all rotted out
like mine was!

We all like to know who we are communicating with and your hull
number!

Billy Ray Davis
Scarlet #79

--- On Fri, 7/18/08, ksmith4312 <ksmith4312@...> wrote:

From: ksmith4312 <ksmith4312@...>
Subject: [T27Owners] Starboard leaks
To: T27Owners@...
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 12:15 PM






I am getting minor leaking on the starboard side at the quarter
berth.
One of the spots appeared to be where a bimini was attached (not
thru
bolted) when I stick a toothpick in the hole it feels like there
may
be a liner at that point is this possible?


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Re: Starboard leaks

ksmith4312
 

Sorry my hull # is 442 1970 and I recently moved on board. Little
tight but for one is do able. I think you and I may have talked
seems like you had some left over balsa? --- In
T27Owners@..., Bill Davis <backstay13@...> wrote:

Dear Sir,
?
I have just finished re-coring my entire deck and about 1/2 of the
cabin top. Depending on where the fitting is placed you either have a
core between two layers of fiberglass of balsa or marine grade
plywood in that area. A simple fix is to inject epoxy and drill a
pilot hole for the screws. You may have to inject it several times if
it is balsa before you have a substantial base to work with. Be sure
and use caulk before you mount the fitting. If done properly that
should last you for a long time unless your balsa is all rotted out
like mine was!
?
We all like to know who we are communicating with and your hull
number!
?
Billy Ray Davis
Scarlet #79

--- On Fri, 7/18/08, ksmith4312 <ksmith4312@...> wrote:

From: ksmith4312 <ksmith4312@...>
Subject: [T27Owners] Starboard leaks
To: T27Owners@...
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 12:15 PM






I am getting minor leaking on the starboard side at the quarter
berth.
One of the spots appeared to be where a bimini was attached (not
thru
bolted) when I stick a toothpick in the hole it feels like there
may
be a liner at that point is this possible?


Patience Photo

Walt
 

We just submitted (finally) a photo of our boat Patience.
Please have a look in photos. Photo by Kay, on Jammin T37.
It was taken during our 2.5 month cruise to the Bahams.
Life can be good!!!
Walt & Gail, Patience, T27-2,#695


Re: Starboard leaks

 

Dear Sir,

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I have just finished re-coring my entire deck and about 1/2 of the cabin top. Depending on where the fitting is placed you either have a core between two layers of fiberglass of balsa or marine grade plywood in that area. A simple fix is to inject epoxy and drill a pilot hole for the screws. You may have to inject it several times if it is balsa before you have a substantial base to work with. Be sure and use caulk before you mount the fitting. If done properly that should last you for a long time unless your balsa is all rotted out like mine was!

?

We all like to know who we are communicating with and your hull number!

?

Billy Ray Davis

Scarlet #79


--- On Fri, 7/18/08, ksmith4312 wrote:

From: ksmith4312
Subject: [T27Owners] Starboard leaks
To: T27Owners@...
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 12:15 PM

I am getting minor leaking on the starboard side at the quarter berth.
One of the spots appeared to be where a bimini was attached (not thru
bolted) when I stick a toothpick in the hole it feels like there may
be a liner at that point is this possible?



Starboard leaks

ksmith4312
 

I am getting minor leaking on the starboard side at the quarter berth.
One of the spots appeared to be where a bimini was attached (not thru
bolted) when I stick a toothpick in the hole it feels like there may
be a liner at that point is this possible?


Re: Atomic 4 valve lifter

 

Harry,
Don Moyer recommends you take off the spark plugs and shoot a liberal amount of MMO into the cylinder in a direction that is away from the manifold if I remember correctly. The engine will smoke a bit but this should help keep the valves lubricated and keep them from sticking. You can also add MMO to the engine oil; something like 8 oz. per oil fill.
If you have the spark plugs out you should inspect them for carbon build up as well and replace if necessary.
I think I have the same condition on my ancient A4.
Caleb
T27 #328, Odalisque, 1967

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Demarest <hd2161@...>
To: T27Owners@...
Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 8:15 pm
Subject: [T27Owners] Atomic 4 valve lifter


My #249 (1966) AT4 back valve is making a back firing noise which
some of my sailing pals thought the lifter was sticking and suggested
I put in some kind of valve lubricant (Valetec)? and see what happens.
I have been adding a small amount on Marvels Mystry Oil to the
gas. Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Harry Demarest


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Atomic 4 valve lifter

Harry Demarest
 

My #249 (1966) AT4 back valve is making a back firing noise which
some of my sailing pals thought the lifter was sticking and suggested
I put in some kind of valve lubricant (Valetec)? and see what happens.
I have been adding a small amount on Marvels Mystry Oil to the
gas. Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Harry Demarest


Re: SI-TEX Depth gage

Scott Kendall
 

--- In T27Owners@..., Richard Shearley <rshearley@...>
wrote:

I think I have one with a manual... I'll have to look. I would
start by checking the wires using an ohmmeter. check the connections
for corrosion etc... Next would be to clean the surface of the
transducer from the outside. Some may not work with bottom paint on
them. A mask and snorkel seem to be required equipment on our boats
anyway, so if you don't already have one...
?I'll try and dig out the manual and scan it for you.
Rich.
Thanks Rich
A scanned manual would be a godsend. I did remove the old bottom
paint and lightly sanded the bronze transmitter on the underside of
the hull prior to launching. I did not apply bottom paint to the
transmitter. Later I found a small bottle of transmitter paint in
one of the lockers. Checking the wires is no problem, I would need
to know which pins on the transmitter are supposed to read what.
Like I said the unit powers up and I get the red LEDs at 0feet.


Re: SI-TEX Depth gage

 

I think I have one with a manual... I'll have to look. I would start by checking the wires using an ohmmeter. check the connections for corrosion etc... Next would be to clean the surface of the transducer from the outside. Some may not work with bottom paint on them. A mask and snorkel seem to be required equipment on our boats anyway, so if you don't already have one...
?I'll try and dig out the manual and scan it for you.
Rich.


Re: SI-TEX Depth gage

 



--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Scott Kendall wrote:
From: Scott Kendall
Subject: [T27Owners] SI-TEX Depth gage
To: T27Owners@...
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:45 PM

I recently purchased hull 215 and it was equipped with an obsolete SI-
TEX FL-7 fish finder / sounder. The unit still turns on and the cal
mode will rotate a second light around the screen, but the unit always
reads 0 feet. I have a brass or bronze thru hull mounted transducer
and not sure if the transducer is bad or the unit itself.
Just wondering if any one may have a manual on this unit as the
vendor does not service or consult on these as they are obsolete.
Also looking for a good replacement that can be transom mounted as a
thru hull would be too hard while in the water.



Re: SI-TEX Depth gage

Matthias Klemm
 

Caleb,

I tried your method a while back and it got me in trouble especially having had wind and current from behind. At least the mishap made me fix my sounder and it was easier than I thought. All I had to do is get a new display. My old one was a Data Marine and the new on is a Raymarine.
Later at work I learned that it's most of the time the display that goes first and most of the sounders use the same Airmar transducer. If you have an Airmar just try to borrow a working display (ST60, ComNav, etc.) from someone and hook it up to your transducer (one blue and one black wire). If it still doen't get any readings then it's really the transducer that's shot.

Matthias

On Jul 17, 2008, at 12:04 AM, calebjess@... wrote:

Scott,
Where do you sail out of? We have had similar issues with our thru
hull depth sensor not working well to the point where we do not really
use it all. If you sail with the centerboard down you can consider
that your first depth alarm. The really good part about that is that
it retracts and with a good engine you can get free of the bottom,
usually.
That said, there are many transducers that shoot through a fiberglass
hull like that of the T27. This is just one of the upgrades I have
been considering for my boat.
All the best,
Caleb D
T27 #328, 'Odalisque', Nyack, Ny

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kendall <thephoenix215@...>
To: T27Owners@...
Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:45 pm
Subject: [T27Owners] SI-TEX Depth gage

I recently purchased hull 215 and it was equipped with an obsolete SI-
TEX FL-7 fish finder / sounder. The unit still turns on and the cal
mode will rotate a second light around the screen, but the unit always
reads 0 feet. I have a brass or bronze thru hull mounted transducer
and not sure if the transducer is bad or the unit itself.
Just wondering if any one may have a manual on this unit as the
vendor does not service or consult on these as they are obsolete.
Also looking for a good replacement that can be transom mounted as a
thru hull would be too hard while in the water.


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Re: SI-TEX Depth gage

 

Scott,
Where do you sail out of? We have had similar issues with our thru hull depth sensor not working well to the point where we do not really use it all. If you sail with the centerboard down you can consider that your first depth alarm. The really good part about that is that it retracts and with a good engine you can get free of the bottom, usually.
That said, there are many transducers that shoot through a fiberglass hull like that of the T27. This is just one of the upgrades I have been considering for my boat.
All the best,
Caleb D
T27 #328, 'Odalisque', Nyack, Ny

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kendall <thephoenix215@...>
To: T27Owners@...
Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:45 pm
Subject: [T27Owners] SI-TEX Depth gage

I recently purchased hull 215 and it was equipped with an obsolete SI-
TEX FL-7 fish finder / sounder. The unit still turns on and the cal
mode will rotate a second light around the screen, but the unit always
reads 0 feet. I have a brass or bronze thru hull mounted transducer
and not sure if the transducer is bad or the unit itself.
Just wondering if any one may have a manual on this unit as the
vendor does not service or consult on these as they are obsolete.
Also looking for a good replacement that can be transom mounted as a
thru hull would be too hard while in the water.


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SI-TEX Depth gage

Scott Kendall
 

I recently purchased hull 215 and it was equipped with an obsolete SI-
TEX FL-7 fish finder / sounder. The unit still turns on and the cal
mode will rotate a second light around the screen, but the unit always
reads 0 feet. I have a brass or bronze thru hull mounted transducer
and not sure if the transducer is bad or the unit itself.
Just wondering if any one may have a manual on this unit as the
vendor does not service or consult on these as they are obsolete.
Also looking for a good replacement that can be transom mounted as a
thru hull would be too hard while in the water.


Re: Please save this T-27

dhudson0808
 

Gene,

I wouldn't mind seeing the pictures and possibly passing on as well.

Thanks,

Drew
580

--- In T27Owners@..., "william_pikor" <jwpikor@...> wrote:

Gene,
I know two propective buyers. Please forward the owner info to
me.
Thanks,
Bill Pikor
#292 Tipanic






--- In T27Owners@..., "eaisail" <eaisail@> wrote:

The Lake Erie Tartan Sailors were contacted by the owner of a T-
27
yawl, hull # 343.

I don't know much about the boat except that the Atomic 4 is
gone,
and it was sailed last season with an outboard. I have two
exterior
pictures, and it doesn't look bad.

The boat is in the Cleveland area, and is on a trailer.

The owner, and none of us at LETS, want to see this boat get
chopped
up for lanfill. I think the owner will listen to almost any offer
to
avoid that.

If interested, I can forward the photo's, and/or put you in touch
with the owner. Thanks.

Gene Iannucci
T-33 Phoenicia
Lake Erie Tartan Sailors


Re: Please save this T-27

 

Gene,
I know two propective buyers. Please forward the owner info to me.
Thanks,
Bill Pikor
#292 Tipanic






--- In T27Owners@..., "eaisail" <eaisail@...> wrote:

The Lake Erie Tartan Sailors were contacted by the owner of a T-27
yawl, hull # 343.

I don't know much about the boat except that the Atomic 4 is gone,
and it was sailed last season with an outboard. I have two exterior
pictures, and it doesn't look bad.

The boat is in the Cleveland area, and is on a trailer.

The owner, and none of us at LETS, want to see this boat get
chopped
up for lanfill. I think the owner will listen to almost any offer
to
avoid that.

If interested, I can forward the photo's, and/or put you in touch
with the owner. Thanks.

Gene Iannucci
T-33 Phoenicia
Lake Erie Tartan Sailors


Re: Re-Power

 

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One thing you will find is that the Marine ¡°industry¡± is full of gurus who don¡¯t know squat!? I was very frustrated initially by all the ¡°experts.¡±

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In particular with engines you will be SOAKED and TAKEN if you are not conservative, prudent, and willing to do your own research.

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There are a number of things that will screw up a diesel, putting the wrong prop on it is particularly bad for them.? A diesel engine should turn at a given RPM under load and you choose your prop based on hull displacement (roughly 7500# from the factory and probably 8500# with a diesel and running gear) and your desired hull speed.? There are some web based programs that will calculate hull speed for you, but it¡¯s approximately 7.2 knts or just under 8mph (approximate).? I seem to recall 1 knt=1.2 mph.? At any rate, it¡¯s a fast ride at hull speed.

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There are also web pages that you can plug in displacement and hull speed and beam and it will tell you how many hp you need to have.? Fortunately, we don¡¯t have nasty currents here.? We do get a 2knt current in one particular channel under certain circumstances, but I¡¯ve never had an issue with 10HP. Like Caleb, my engine is old, tired, and worn the hell out so I doubt it delivers 9HP.? It does however run, and is easy on fuel.

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One piece of gear I recommend in particular.? Get a Garmin GPSMAP320 or similar.? These are small fish-finder/plotters.? Different versions have different features as far as what charts they come with.? I bought the more capable one that didn¡¯t include the charts and had to spend more money on software and charts.? However, I find it much easier to plot courses on my computer then the 3.5¡± screen.? One benefit these offer is you can reconfigure what is displayed.? I use mine to show time, tide, and voltage info.? It saved me from installing a voltage gauge and helps me to determine if I have a pending battery crisis or alternator issue.

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I also have one area I do most of my cruising in.? I have defined waypoints to get me to safe anchorages and to get me home.? I also have put in safe waypoints near obstacles such as natural gas platforms that are unlit and in my sailing area.? It has made it safer a couple times where I have been out at night.

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Texas Shirt Company

713-802-0369 / 713-861-6261 (fax)

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Please save this T-27

eaisail
 

The Lake Erie Tartan Sailors were contacted by the owner of a T-27
yawl, hull # 343.

I don't know much about the boat except that the Atomic 4 is gone,
and it was sailed last season with an outboard. I have two exterior
pictures, and it doesn't look bad.

The boat is in the Cleveland area, and is on a trailer.

The owner, and none of us at LETS, want to see this boat get chopped
up for lanfill. I think the owner will listen to almost any offer to
avoid that.

If interested, I can forward the photo's, and/or put you in touch
with the owner. Thanks.

Gene Iannucci
T-33 Phoenicia
Lake Erie Tartan Sailors


Re: Re-Power

dhudson0808
 

Thanks for the information Caleb and I want to thank everyone for
responding!

We have the boat (hull #580) on the Connecticut River and plan to
cruise on the sound. I'd like to get more power than less just for
the safety factors, however the price really goes up. But, I think I
agree with you that an 18 would probably be better for me than a 14.
I would love to find a good used diesel but it seems for the price
difference it's almost worth it to just get a new engine.

It's interesting that this doesn't seem to be an exact science. It
all depends on who you talk to. I spoke to a Beta rep who said the
14hp is plenty since it has more toque and can handle a larger prop
etc. But, I guess it all depends on what you are trying to achieve.

I'll check out the links and talk to some more people.

Thanks again!

Drew



I cIt just seems like maybe a new engine

--- In T27Owners@..., calebjess@... wrote:

Welcome to the club Drew and congrats!
The Beta engines are supposed to be 'drop in' to replace the A4.
As
far as HP I would get as much HP as you can but you do not need 30
HP
to drive a T27. I find it doubtful that the A4 actually puts out
30 HP
(since mine is over 40 years old this would hardly be a surprise).
I
would think that a new 18HP diesel would be good for the East River
currents and most bad weather.

Check out this Beta dealer that is located across the Dead Sea (aka
the
LI Sound) as they get good ratings from customers:

There are also Beta dealers located on LI in Glen Cove, Stony Brook
and
Sag Harbor; see their dealer page here:

Since I do not know where you are on "the Island" I don't know
which
would be more convenient. I also can't comment on the reputation
of
the dealers on LI.

Your other 'easy' option is to get another A4 from either Moyer
Marine
or buy one on ebay and re-condition it
yourself. I am not sure which option is cheaper but if I had the
money
I guess I would get the Beta as apparently you can re-use the fuel
tank
if it is in good shape as someone said they were originally made of
monel which is good for either fuel type (also a big save on
expenses
for a re-fit).

We used to keep our T27 in the extreme western Sound but now she is
located on the Hudson up at Nyack.
I am writing you from the Huntington area as I still have family on
LI
and I grew up in Sea Cliff. Where are you on LI and which hull #
do
you have?
Congrats on your new boat. They are great old 'classic plastic'
boats.

Caleb Davison
T27 #328 'Odalisque', 1967





-----Original Message-----
From: dhudson0808 <dhudson0808@...>
To: T27Owners@...
Sent: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 3:19 am
Subject: [T27Owners] Re-Power

I just purchased a used 75'. The Atomic 4 is out of the boat and
I'm
thinking of re-powering with a new or used diesel.

Does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing? I'm
trying to
find out what size, horse power, model diesel I would need. A Beta
dealer I spoke to suggested the Beta 14 (BZ482). I think the Atomic
that was there before was something like 30 hp. A 14 hp seems a
little
under powered even with the extra torque and gearing stuff. Any
thoughts?

Anyone have a good used diesel source?

Thanks,

Drew
580



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Hull No 2?

Kyle Erlandsen
 

Anyone know where it may be.

?

I joined this group with the hope of finding the old 'Spindrift'.

My dad sold it in 1991 after buying it from Hellier in Mystic, CT in 1978.

I thought he sold it to a guy in Milford, CT.

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We sure did cover a lot of miles in that boat.? That was back when Loran was just an experiment.? The compass was perfect, until we put?a portable speaker too close to it.

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Just wondering.

?

Kyle