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Winter storage of sunfish in garage
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nac20032002
Apologies to all if this is an old one.
I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY |
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rr optin
How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap.
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From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Gail M. Turluck
Yeah, if you try to put the lag bolt in vertically you could be asking for a
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problem. Put that off season ratchet block to work and you won't have a problem at all. I wouldn't bother with all the work of building a frame or anything. If you really want to part with money, there's the Harken Hoister system that will do what you want. (Peter loves it when I give him a plug!) www.harken.com But, even $1 pulleys from the hardware store, strategically placed, will do the job. The drill the hole option with a piece of rope will do, too. I can lift half a Sunfish with little trouble. Hoisting it is less trouble. Hope this helps. Hope you can heat the space. (Recommend against painting unless you absolutely must. Better to polish the hull if it can be salvaged, even with a couple imperfect spots. Paint scratches relatively quickly and then has to be stripped (hard to do off fiberglass) and redone ... I've spent too much time stripping paint off painted boats, so I know!) Good luck! Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ -----Original Message-----
From: rr optin [mailto:optin@...] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:56 PM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: Re: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap. ----- Original Message ----- From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Wayne Carney
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Take a look here.... Click on the pull-down list and scroll to the last section. Look for, "Home-made Trailers, Dollies & Garage Racks". ...the thing to note is the angle iron attached to the garage ceiling. Lets you attach to the joists at multiple points with smaller lags so the stress isn't all at the pulleys and the holes in the joists are less likely to weaken them as much. This person only advocates 2 or 3 lags per bar, personally, I'd use at least 6 lags per piece. Your block system can also be created so it's controlled from one place as opposed to each individual corner. I question the use of "V" cleats as shown. I'd use cams or horn cleats or both. I have used a more simple system in the past. Four eyes attached to the joists, 1" web/cam straps** long enough to do the job (your garage ceiling height may be different from mine). Sling the boat in the webbing and tighten the straps a couple of feet at a time to maintain somewhat level hoisting. It takes a couple of pulls to get up to the ceiling, but it's not difficult. The real advantage is - when the boat is down at working level the hull can be turned in the slings to any position - turned on its side and even inverted. Lower it onto saw horses if a solid work surface is needed. ** I shy away from flimsy ratchet straps - hate those ratchets and the cheap straps aren't worth beans. I make my own straps from webbing and cams purchased separately, sewn with lightweight poly upholstery thread on my home sewing machine. One 30' strap takes about 5 min to make and cost $13.60 (cam $4) + (Strap @ $0.32/ft) Pre-made straps can run three times that much. REI NWS note: 1500 lb web strength Good Luck, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Neil Chadderton
OK, thanks for your reply. Maybe I should stop stressing on this and keep it simple.
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Regards, Neil rr optin <optin@...> wrote: How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap. ----- Original Message -----
From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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Neil Chadderton
OK, thanks for your reply. Maybe I should stop stressing on this and keep it simple.
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Regards, Neil rr optin <optin@...> wrote: How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap. ----- Original Message -----
From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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Neil Chadderton
Gail, thanks for your comments - I appreciate this.
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Regards, Neil "Gail M. Turluck" <turluck@...> wrote: Yeah, if you try to put the lag bolt in vertically you could be asking for a problem. Put that off season ratchet block to work and you won't have a problem at all. I wouldn't bother with all the work of building a frame or anything. If you really want to part with money, there's the Harken Hoister system that will do what you want. (Peter loves it when I give him a plug!) www.harken.com But, even $1 pulleys from the hardware store, strategically placed, will do the job. The drill the hole option with a piece of rope will do, too. I can lift half a Sunfish with little trouble. Hoisting it is less trouble. Hope this helps. Hope you can heat the space. (Recommend against painting unless you absolutely must. Better to polish the hull if it can be salvaged, even with a couple imperfect spots. Paint scratches relatively quickly and then has to be stripped (hard to do off fiberglass) and redone ... I've spent too much time stripping paint off painted boats, so I know!) Good luck! Gail ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ Gail M. Turluck Sunfish 24186 ISCA Masters Coordinator USSCA Secretary USSCA Masters Coordinator ~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~~~/)~~~~~~/)~~ -----Original Message-----
From: rr optin [mailto:optin@...] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:56 PM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: Re: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage How about just drill holes in the joists where you need them, pass a line (old sheet, etc) through them and under boat, do everything with line. I like simple solutions, no wood to cut, nail/screw, buying hardware - yuk. If you have extra blocks lying around, use them to create a purchase 2,4,6 to 1, be innovative and cheap. Its all about simple and cheap. ----- Original Message ----- From: nac20032002 To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Winter storage of sunfish in garage Apologies to all if this is an old one. I was given an aged sunfish and I'd like to move it indoors over the winter while I restore it. I'd like to be able to hoist it above my carspace in the garage, and lower as required. I only have access to the underside of the joists. I read somewhere that lag bolt style eyebolts aren't safe as the wood thread cannot be relied on. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of project? I was thinking of a frame built from 2x4s and shaped appropriately where the cross sections meet the deck. Thanks for your help Neil, LI NY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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Neil Chadderton
Hi Wayne, thanks for your time, patience and information. I appreciate this. The webbing technique sounds interesting and very practical. Thanks again, I'll ponder these options.
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Regards, Neil Wayne Carney <wcarney@...> wrote: Hi Neil, Take a look here.... Click on the pull-down list and scroll to the last section. Look for, "Home-made Trailers, Dollies & Garage Racks". ...the thing to note is the angle iron attached to the garage ceiling. Lets you attach to the joists at multiple points with smaller lags so the stress isn't all at the pulleys and the holes in the joists are less likely to weaken them as much. This person only advocates 2 or 3 lags per bar, personally, I'd use at least 6 lags per piece. Your block system can also be created so it's controlled from one place as opposed to each individual corner. I question the use of "V" cleats as shown. I'd use cams or horn cleats or both. I have used a more simple system in the past. Four eyes attached to the joists, 1" web/cam straps** long enough to do the job (your garage ceiling height may be different from mine). Sling the boat in the webbing and tighten the straps a couple of feet at a time to maintain somewhat level hoisting. It takes a couple of pulls to get up to the ceiling, but it's not difficult. The real advantage is - when the boat is down at working level the hull can be turned in the slings to any position - turned on its side and even inverted. Lower it onto saw horses if a solid work surface is needed. ** I shy away from flimsy ratchet straps - hate those ratchets and the cheap straps aren't worth beans. I make my own straps from webbing and cams purchased separately, sewn with lightweight poly upholstery thread on my home sewing machine. One 30' strap takes about 5 min to make and cost $13.60 (cam $4) + (Strap @ $0.32/ft) Pre-made straps can run three times that much. REI NWS note: 1500 lb web strength Good Luck, Wayne -----Original Message----- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now |
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