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Rudder VIbration


Ed
 

I have a vibration from the rudder when I get the Fish up to speeds
usually obtainable on fairly windy days. I would suspect that the
vibration may be an indication of drag robbing speed from the boat.
Has anyone else experienced this? Perhaps it's unique to my rudder
design?

Are there any sources of information as to the optimal design and
dimensions of the daggerboar?

Thanks to anyone who responds, obviously by the number of posts I
have made I have a few minutes on my hands right now (that'll change
shortly!). ;)>

Cheers,
Ed


Wayne Carney
 

Hi again Ed,

Take a look at the Laser (I think) and Hobie Cat sites. They also use a thin
aluminum rudder blade and I have seen some discussion about just such a
vibration.

Try www.thebeachcats.com and look for the archives of a eZine called "On The
Wire". That E-magazine had a tech tips section every month that addressed
such things.

And, yes I agree that the vibration is inefficient flutter that creates
drag, but unless you are racing I wouldn't be too concerned about that
aspect.


Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed [mailto:conley49@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:41 AM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Rudder VIbration


I have a vibration from the rudder when I get the Fish up to speeds
usually obtainable on fairly windy days. I would suspect that the
vibration may be an indication of drag robbing speed from the boat.
Has anyone else experienced this? Perhaps it's unique to my rudder
design?

Are there any sources of information as to the optimal design and
dimensions of the daggerboar?

Thanks to anyone who responds, obviously by the number of posts I
have made I have a few minutes on my hands right now (that'll change
shortly!). ;)>

Cheers,
Ed


David King
 

Hi,
I have the same vibration but only when pressing the boat realy
hard,in my opinion the vibration is coming from the centre board as I
can't feel any transmitted vibration in the tiller.
I must confess that the vibration disapears just before a capsize
(opps)on closer examination the reason for this is because I can sail
with about a foot of centre board out of the water (I know not very
efficient way to sail but you get a realy good work out just trying
to keep it upright. may be this vibration is a design fault and they
all do it.
regards
Dave


Wayne Carney
 

Hi Dave,

You sure can get vibration from the daggerboard. There are some things you
can do to reduce this. The leading and trailing edge can be shaped to reduce
turbulence. I'll try and find an article about this.

BTW, the "racing" (plastic-composite) daggerboard reduces this phenomena
considerably. The down side to these boards is that they are expensive. IMHO
the composite board is worth it though.... it's longer and has a better
design all around.

The other thing you can do is to line the daggerboard trunk with
indoor/outdoor carpet. I use pieces of a rubber-backed door mat ($1.99 at
Target). I placed a 1 1/2" wide strip at the fore and aft end of the trunk
and a couple of 2" wide strips along either side. The carpet thickness was
chosen to hold the daggerboard snuggly and reduce vibration while still
allowing positioning without too much extra effort. It also helps protect
the board and trunk at the leading and trailing corners where grounding
damage occurs.

If you want a real workout, install a hiking strap and then do your
darnedest to "sail it flat". You'll get 6-pack abs and the rocket-ride of
your life in one package. See a book called, the Sunfish Bible" for details
on both the hiking strap installation and the technique of going really
really fast.


Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: David King [mailto:stormdancer250@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:07 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Rudder Vibration


Hi,
I have the same vibration but only when pressing the boat realy
hard,in my opinion the vibration is coming from the centre board as I
can't feel any transmitted vibration in the tiller.
I must confess that the vibration disapears just before a capsize
(opps)on closer examination the reason for this is because I can sail
with about a foot of centre board out of the water (I know not very
efficient way to sail but you get a realy good work out just trying
to keep it upright. may be this vibration is a design fault and they
all do it.
regards
Dave


 

What kind of adhesive do you use? And how often would you have to replace
the carpet?

Charles


Wayne wrote:

The other thing you can do is to line the daggerboard trunk with
indoor/outdoor carpet. I use pieces of a rubber-backed door mat ($1.99 at
Target). I placed a 1 1/2" wide strip at the fore and aft end of the trunk
and a couple of 2" wide strips along either side. The carpet thickness was
chosen to hold the daggerboard snuggly and reduce vibration while still
allowing positioning without too much extra effort. It also helps protect
the board and trunk at the leading and trailing corners where grounding
damage occurs.


Wayne Carney
 

Charles,

I use contact cement. So far it has lasted over five years.


Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Neuman [mailto:charles@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:35 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: RE: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Rudder Vibration


What kind of adhesive do you use? And how often would you have to replace
the carpet?

Charles


Wayne wrote:
The other thing you can do is to line the daggerboard trunk with
indoor/outdoor carpet. I use pieces of a rubber-backed door mat
($1.99 at
Target). I placed a 1 1/2" wide strip at the fore and aft end
of the trunk
and a couple of 2" wide strips along either side. The carpet
thickness was
chosen to hold the daggerboard snuggly and reduce vibration while still
allowing positioning without too much extra effort. It also
helps protect
the board and trunk at the leading and trailing corners where grounding
damage occurs.