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If any of you are sailing your Sunfish without a "Tell-Tail" (a wind
indicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one shown on
WINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great! The
materials to make it probably cost about 10 cents.... and it may take
about 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to replace
a $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I think
this home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check it out
at:



For those that may be unfamiliar with a "Tell-tail" ...... it enables
you to always know which direction your RELATIVE wind is coming
from .... in order that you can set your sail accordingly, to take
advantage of it. It is ESPECIALLY useful on those days, when there is
seemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on days when
the wind is brisk.

Happy sailing!

/JM

JM,

That tel-tail is about the best idea since sliced bread. A commercial
version is out there too, but like you say this one only cost about 10
cents.

I found the cassette tape was a bit too sensitive to the wind. It will tell
you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to pull the boat. I
switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands down to one and
use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need for wind
energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will the boat.

I'm talking about the worst case - nearly nonexistent wind. I may still have
to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the sail to fill,
but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to beat the
driftwood and flotsam home.

....then the jet skis zoom by and stop you dead in their wake, but that's
another issue.


Wayne

Hi Wayne .....
Interesting point on the sensitivity of the cassette tape. I agree
that it is pretty sensitive... but in "nearly non-existent wind"
situations, I find that, if the tape flutters, and I set my sail to
catch it .... it usually moves me along. Of course, I'm doing the
other "light wind tricks" also just as you say .... leaning a bit to
leeward, pushing the boom out, sailing with daggerboard pulled up
high, etc. Also, when you think of it, you are always going to have
your sail set SOMEWHERE .... so I figure I might as well set it to
catch even the light flutters. If they move me ... GREAT .... if they
don't... then maybe the next one will <grin>.

Having said that, I still think I am also going to try your yarn
suggestion though (At 10 cents, I can probably afford another one).
The thing I MIGHT like better about the yarn is ...... that it
probably won't go into "curlies" like the cassette tape sometimes
does. I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh down with water
if/when it gets wet?

Yeh, I hear ya on the Jet-ski/Power boats. However, I recently
started sailing on Hemlock Lake (one of the 11 Finger Lakes). No
problem there with high-power boats or Jet-ski's .... they
aren't allowed. Largest boats allowed are 16 foot, and largest motor
allowed is 10 HP (so only see an occasional fisherman or canoe). Also
no developement of shoreline allowed, so it is really like being on a
lake in the true wilderness; very peaceful! Wish there were more
lakes like it.

Take care .... Happy sailing.

/JM


--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Wayne Carney" <wcarney@f...>
wrote:

JM,

That tel-tail is about the best idea since sliced bread. A

commercial

version is out there too, but like you say this one only cost about

10

cents.

I found the cassette tape was a bit too sensitive to the wind. It

will tell

you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to pull

the boat. I

switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands down to

one and

use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need for

wind

energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will the

boat.

I'm talking about the worst case - nearly nonexistent wind. I may

still have

to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the sail

to fill,

but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to beat

the

driftwood and flotsam home.

....then the jet skis zoom by and stop you dead in their wake, but

that's

another issue.


Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: kuzitsfun [mailto:jmahon01@y...]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:18 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail


If any of you are sailing your Sunfish without a "Tell-Tail" (a

wind

indicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one shown

on

WINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great! The
materials to make it probably cost about 10 cents.... and it may

take

about 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to

replace

a $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I

think

this home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check it out
at:



For those that may be unfamiliar with a "Tell-tail" ...... it

enables

you to always know which direction your RELATIVE wind is coming
from .... in order that you can set your sail accordingly, to take
advantage of it. It is ESPECIALLY useful on those days, when

there is

seemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on days

when

the wind is brisk.

Happy sailing!

/JM

Dear JM,

That lake sounds like Sunfish heaven to me! We have a couple of dammed
up wide spots in rivers around here with that speed limit and it DOES
keep the jet skiis and power boats away ... However, they're so
shallow that the weeds keep the sailors away, too!

Oh well. Enjoy ... Finger Lakes is kind of a long commute from
southeast Michigan!

8)

--Gail

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Hi Wayne ..... <BR>
Interesting point on the sensitivity of the cassette tape. I agree

<BR>

that it is pretty sensitive... but in "nearly non-existent wind" <BR>
situations, I find that, if the tape flutters, and I set my sail to

<BR>

catch it .... it usually moves me along. Of course, I'm doing the <BR>
other "light wind tricks" also just as you say .... leaning a bit to

<BR>

leeward, pushing the boom out, sailing with daggerboard pulled up <BR>
high, etc. Also, when you think of it, you are always going to have

<BR>

your sail set SOMEWHERE .... so I figure I might as well set it to

<BR>

catch even the light flutters. If they move me ... GREAT .... if they

<BR>

don't... then maybe the next one will <grin>. <BR>
<BR>
Having said that, I still think I am also going to try your yarn <BR>
suggestion though (At 10 cents, I can probably afford another one).

<BR>

The thing I MIGHT like better about the yarn is ...... that it <BR>
probably won't go into "curlies" like the cassette tape sometimes <BR>
does. I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh down with water

<BR>

if/when it gets wet? <BR>
<BR>
Yeh, I hear ya on the Jet-ski/Power boats. However, I recently <BR>
started sailing on Hemlock Lake (one of the 11 Finger Lakes). No <BR>
problem there with high-power boats or Jet-ski's .... they <BR>
aren't allowed. Largest boats allowed are 16 foot, and largest motor

<BR>

allowed is 10 HP (so only see an occasional fisherman or canoe). Also

<BR>

no developement of shoreline allowed, so it is really like being on a

<BR>

lake in the true wilderness; very peaceful! Wish there were more <BR>
lakes like it.<BR>
<BR>
Take care .... Happy sailing.<BR>
<BR>
/JM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Wayne Carney" <wcarney@f...>

<BR>

wrote:<BR>

JM,<BR>
<BR>
That tel-tail is about the best idea since sliced bread. A <BR>

commercial<BR>

version is out there too, but like you say this one only cost about

<BR>

10<BR>

cents.<BR>
<BR>
I found the cassette tape was a bit too sensitive to the wind. It

<BR>

will tell<BR>

you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to pull

<BR>

the boat. I<BR>

switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands down to

<BR>

one and<BR>

use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need for

<BR>

wind<BR>

energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will the <BR>

boat.<BR>

<BR>
I'm talking about the worst case - nearly nonexistent wind. I may

<BR>

still have<BR>

to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the sail

<BR>

to fill,<BR>

but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to beat

<BR>

the<BR>

driftwood and flotsam home.<BR>
<BR>
....then the jet skis zoom by and stop you dead in their wake, but

<BR>

that's<BR>

another issue.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Wayne<BR>
<BR>

-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: kuzitsfun [mailto:jmahon01@y...]<BR>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:18 PM<BR>
To: sunfish_sailor@...<BR>
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
If any of you are sailing your Sunfish without a "Tell-Tail" (a

<BR>

wind<BR>

indicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one shown

<BR>

on<BR>

WINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great! The<BR>
materials to make it probably cost about 10 cents.... and it may

<BR>

take<BR>

about 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to <BR>

replace<BR>

a $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I <BR>

think<BR>

this home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check it

out<BR>

at:<BR>
<BR>
<a

href=">
nd_indic.htm</a><BR>

<BR>
For those that may be unfamiliar with a "Tell-tail" ...... it <BR>

enables<BR>

you to always know which direction your RELATIVE wind is

coming<BR>

from .... in order that you can set your sail accordingly, to

take<BR>

advantage of it. It is ESPECIALLY useful on those days, when <BR>

there is<BR>

seemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on days

<BR>

when<BR>

the wind is brisk.<BR>
<BR>
Happy sailing!<BR>
<BR>
/JM

Hey JM,

I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh down
with water if/when it gets wet?

Just cheap ol' polyester from Hobby Lobby. Lifetime supply for 99 cents.
(good for tying flies too if you get the right color) If it gets wet it
dries quick enough.... usually by the time I get the cockpit bailed. And,
usually if it gets dunked I don't need it anyway.

Hemlock Lake sounds like a pretty nice place to sail.


Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: kuzitsfun [mailto:jmahon01@...]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:38 PM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-Tail


Hi Wayne .....
Interesting point on the sensitivity of the cassette tape. I agree
that it is pretty sensitive... but in "nearly non-existent wind"
situations, I find that, if the tape flutters, and I set my sail to
catch it .... it usually moves me along. Of course, I'm doing the
other "light wind tricks" also just as you say .... leaning a bit to
leeward, pushing the boom out, sailing with daggerboard pulled up
high, etc. Also, when you think of it, you are always going to have
your sail set SOMEWHERE .... so I figure I might as well set it to
catch even the light flutters. If they move me ... GREAT .... if they
don't... then maybe the next one will <grin>.

Having said that, I still think I am also going to try your yarn
suggestion though (At 10 cents, I can probably afford another one).
The thing I MIGHT like better about the yarn is ...... that it
probably won't go into "curlies" like the cassette tape sometimes
does. I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh down with water
if/when it gets wet?

Yeh, I hear ya on the Jet-ski/Power boats. However, I recently
started sailing on Hemlock Lake (one of the 11 Finger Lakes). No
problem there with high-power boats or Jet-ski's .... they
aren't allowed. Largest boats allowed are 16 foot, and largest motor
allowed is 10 HP (so only see an occasional fisherman or canoe). Also
no developement of shoreline allowed, so it is really like being on a
lake in the true wilderness; very peaceful! Wish there were more
lakes like it.

Take care .... Happy sailing.

/JM

Hi Gail ....
Yeh, the lake is pretty neat. It is about 7 miles long and a half-
mile across. Depth is about 90 feet in some places ..... so not much
trouble with the weeds once you are out a bit. Also has a
smaller "sister lake" that has same "rules" relative to boats,
motors, and shoreline non-development. Have yet to sail it though.

Hey, forget the commute ... just re-locate! There's lots of places to
live on the lakes around here! <grin>.

Happy sailing! / JM


--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Gail Turluck" <turluck@c...>
wrote:

Dear JM,

That lake sounds like Sunfish heaven to me! We have a couple of

dammed

up wide spots in rivers around here with that speed limit and it

DOES

keep the jet skiis and power boats away ... However, they're so
shallow that the weeds keep the sailors away, too!

Oh well. Enjoy ... Finger Lakes is kind of a long commute from
southeast Michigan!

8)

--Gail

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<tt>
Hi Wayne ..... <BR>
Interesting point on the sensitivity of the cassette tape. I

agree

<BR>

that it is pretty sensitive... but in "nearly non-existent wind"

<BR>

situations, I find that, if the tape flutters, and I set my sail

to

<BR>

catch it .... it usually moves me along. Of course, I'm doing the

<BR>

other "light wind tricks" also just as you say .... leaning a bit

to

<BR>

leeward, pushing the boom out, sailing with daggerboard pulled up

<BR>

high, etc. Also, when you think of it, you are always going to

have

<BR>

your sail set SOMEWHERE .... so I figure I might as well set it

to

<BR>

catch even the light flutters. If they move me ... GREAT .... if

they

<BR>

don't... then maybe the next one will <grin>. <BR>
<BR>
Having said that, I still think I am also going to try your yarn

<BR>

suggestion though (At 10 cents, I can probably afford another

one).

<BR>

The thing I MIGHT like better about the yarn is ...... that it

<BR>

probably won't go into "curlies" like the cassette tape sometimes

<BR>

does. I suspect you use a yarn that does not weigh down with

water

<BR>

if/when it gets wet? <BR>
<BR>
Yeh, I hear ya on the Jet-ski/Power boats. However, I recently

<BR>

started sailing on Hemlock Lake (one of the 11 Finger Lakes). No

<BR>

problem there with high-power boats or Jet-ski's .... they <BR>
aren't allowed. Largest boats allowed are 16 foot, and largest

motor

<BR>

allowed is 10 HP (so only see an occasional fisherman or canoe).

Also

<BR>

no developement of shoreline allowed, so it is really like being

on a

<BR>

lake in the true wilderness; very peaceful! Wish there were more

<BR>

lakes like it.<BR>
<BR>
Take care .... Happy sailing.<BR>
<BR>
/JM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Wayne Carney"

<wcarney@f...>

<BR>

wrote:<BR>

JM,<BR>
<BR>
That tel-tail is about the best idea since sliced bread. A <BR>

commercial<BR>

version is out there too, but like you say this one only cost

about

<BR>

10<BR>

cents.<BR>
<BR>
I found the cassette tape was a bit too sensitive to the wind.

It

<BR>

will tell<BR>

you there is a breeze when the air movement isn't enough to

pull

<BR>

the boat. I<BR>

switched to yarn... I take a piece and separate the strands

down to

<BR>

one and<BR>

use that as the indicator. That seems to match the Fish's need

for

<BR>

wind<BR>

energy much more closely. Now if the tel-tail moves so will the

<BR>

boat.<BR>

<BR>
I'm talking about the worst case - nearly nonexistent wind. I

may

<BR>

still have<BR>

to lean a tad to leeward and push the boom out just to get the

sail

<BR>

to fill,<BR>

but if the yarn flutters then I know I will make way enough to

beat

<BR>

the<BR>

driftwood and flotsam home.<BR>
<BR>
....then the jet skis zoom by and stop you dead in their wake,

but

<BR>

that's<BR>

another issue.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Wayne<BR>
<BR>

-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: kuzitsfun [mailto:jmahon01@y...]<BR>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:18 PM<BR>
To: sunfish_sailor@...<BR>
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Pitch for an inexpensive Tell-

Tail<BR>

<BR>
<BR>
If any of you are sailing your Sunfish without a "Tell-Tail"

(a

<BR>

wind<BR>

indicator), I highly recommend that you try making the one

shown

<BR>

on<BR>

WINDLINE. It is easy to make .... and works really great!

The<BR>

materials to make it probably cost about 10 cents.... and it

may

<BR>

take<BR>

about 10 minutes of your time to make it. I used this one to

<BR>

replace<BR>

a $15-20 "Tell-Tail" which I had lost in a spill (actually, I

<BR>

think<BR>

this home-made one works better than the one I lost). Check

it

out<BR>

at:<BR>
<BR>
<a

href=">
wi

nd_indic.htm</a><BR>

<BR>
For those that may be unfamiliar with a "Tell-tail" ...... it

<BR>

enables<BR>

you to always know which direction your RELATIVE wind is

coming<BR>

from .... in order that you can set your sail accordingly, to

take<BR>

advantage of it. It is ESPECIALLY useful on those days, when

<BR>

there is<BR>

seemingly little or no wind, but I find it useful even on

days

<BR>

when<BR>

the wind is brisk.<BR>
<BR>
Happy sailing!<BR>
<BR>
/JM