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Clove Hitch Question

Jim All Messages By This Member #17623 Hi all, They say to use a clove hitch to attach the halyard to the upper spar. Over time I've pretty much memorized it, though I still have a diagram of it stashed in my crate of sailing stuff just in case. However I have experienced issues with the clove hitch sliding up the spar or coming undone from time to time and I think the issue is related to which way I cross with the working end on the first turn around the spar. It seems to hold better if I cross over towards the tack. Or put another way, when rigging the boat with the spars laying on the deck, if I cross over in the direction of the bow. Have any of you observed this too? Thanks, Jim Conway, MA
Mark Kastel All Messages By This Member #17624 开云体育 Jim, ? Think of it is two half hitches around the spar. As a safety you can add 1/3 half hitch and a figure 8 knot on the end is a "safety." A piece of tape on the spar will keep the halyard from slipping and your spars coming down towards the deck. ? Good luck, ? Mark Kastel Sunfish 7500 La Crosse, Wisconsin (former scoutmaster although somewhat dyslexic --- it took a lot of time as a Boy Scout to learn the knots in order to earn small boat sailing merit badge) ? Mark A. Kastel Kastel@... 608-625-2042 ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SunfishSailor] Clove Hitch Question ? Hi all, They say to use a clove hitch to attach the halyard to the upper spar. Over time I've pretty much memorized it, though I still have a diagram of it stashed in my crate of sailing stuff just in case. However I have experienced issues with the clove hitch sliding up the spar or coming undone from time to time and I think the issue is related to which way I cross with the working end on the first turn around the spar. It seems to hold better if I cross over towards the tack. Or put another way, when rigging the boat with the spars laying on the deck, if I cross over in the direction of the bow. Have any of you observed this too? Thanks, Jim Conway, MA
crispin_m_miller All Messages By This Member #17625 开云体育 Hi, Jim,? My boat is bermuda-rigged (not a ‘fish) but I’ve played with knots a lot. ?While a clove hitch may generally work there, it’s a kind of marginally secure knot. ?You might want to try two variants of it: (1) rolling hitch a.k.a. tautline hitch: do cross toward the tack as you describe, but before you do, take a second wrap around the spar, winding aft toward the peak, THEN cross toward the tack, over both turns, and apply the finishing half hitch. ?This stacks up two wraps above the standing part of the halyard so that to slip up the spar, it has to slide both of ‘em. ?Mark’s suggestion of some tape (maybe friction tape like they sell to wrap the grip of your hockey stick) also sounds good, though. (2) Ashley constrictor knot. ?(But you may need pliers to untie it): Tie a normal clove hitch but before you snug it up, cross the working end over the first turn and tuck it back through it, in the direction that makes it emerge in the middle between the two turns. ?Then work things around so the diagonal cross of the clove hitch sits on top of the tuck you just made, binding it — then pull both ends tight. ?Both ends should end up emerging between the two wraps, in similar fashion (in opposite directions). ?Once you’ve?pulled the ends tight, this knot is locked remarkably securely. Have fun — Crispin toggle quoted message Show quoted text On May 7, 2020, at 10:40 PM, Mark Kastel <kastel@...> wrote: Jim, ? Think of it is two half hitches around the spar. As a safety you can add 1/3 half hitch and a figure 8 knot on the end is a "safety." A piece of tape on the spar will keep the halyard from slipping and your spars coming down towards the deck. ? Good luck, ? Mark Kastel Sunfish 7500 La Crosse, Wisconsin (former scoutmaster although somewhat dyslexic --- it took a lot of time as a Boy Scout to learn the knots in order to earn small boat sailing merit badge) ? Mark A. Kastel Kastel@... 608-625-2042 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SunfishSailor] Clove Hitch Question ? Hi all, They say to use a clove hitch to attach the halyard to the upper spar. Over time I've pretty much memorized it, though I still have a diagram of it stashed in my crate of sailing stuff just in case. However I have experienced issues with the clove hitch sliding up the spar or coming undone from time to time and I think the issue is related to which way I cross with the working end on the first turn around the spar. It seems to hold better if I cross over towards the tack. Or put another way, when rigging the boat with the spars laying on the deck, if I cross over in the direction of the bow. Have any of you observed this too? Thanks, Jim Conway, MA
Signal Charlie All Messages By This Member #17631 We wrap the spar two to three times, wrapping from the aft end of the boat towards the bow, then tie two half hitches. The half hitches lay across the wraps and hold them snug. A piece of gaff tape to mark where the wraps go is also good to keep the halyard snug, and we usually wrap just under a where a sail ring is.? Here’s one of our videos:? Also more Sunfish information on our YouTube page, use the search window to look up your areas of interest.? Cheers! toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:36 PM crispin_m_miller <crispinmm@...> wrote: Hi, Jim,? My boat is bermuda-rigged (not a ‘fish) but I’ve played with knots a lot.? While a clove hitch may generally work there, it’s a kind of marginally secure knot.? You might want to try two variants of it: (1) rolling hitch a.k.a. tautline hitch: do cross toward the tack as you describe, but before you do, take a second wrap around the spar, winding aft toward the peak, THEN cross toward the tack, over both turns, and apply the finishing half hitch.? This stacks up two wraps above the standing part of the halyard so that to slip up the spar, it has to slide both of ‘em.? Mark’s suggestion of some tape (maybe friction tape like they sell to wrap the grip of your hockey stick) also sounds good, though. (2) Ashley constrictor knot. ?(But you may need pliers to untie it): Tie a normal clove hitch but before you snug it up, cross the working end over the first turn and tuck it back through it, in the direction that makes it emerge in the middle between the two turns.? Then work things around so the diagonal cross of the clove hitch sits on top of the tuck you just made, binding it — then pull both ends tight.? Both ends should end up emerging between the two wraps, in similar fashion (in opposite directions).? Once you’ve?pulled the ends tight, this knot is locked remarkably securely. Have fun — Crispin On May 7, 2020, at 10:40 PM, Mark Kastel <kastel@...> wrote: Jim, ? Think of it is two half hitches around the spar. As a safety you can add 1/3 half hitch and a figure 8 knot on the end is a "safety." A piece of tape on the spar will keep the halyard from slipping and your spars coming down towards the deck. ? Good luck, ? Mark Kastel Sunfish 7500 La Crosse, Wisconsin (former scoutmaster although somewhat dyslexic --- it took a lot of time as a Boy Scout to learn the knots in order to earn small boat sailing merit badge) ? Mark A. Kastel Kastel@... 608-625-2042 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SunfishSailor] Clove Hitch Question ? Hi all, They say to use a clove hitch to attach the halyard to the upper spar. Over time I've pretty much memorized it, though I still have a diagram of it stashed in my crate of sailing stuff just in case. However I have experienced issues with the clove hitch sliding up the spar or coming undone from time to time and I think the issue is related to which way I cross with the working end on the first turn around the spar. It seems to hold better if I cross over towards the tack. Or put another way, when rigging the boat with the spars laying on the deck, if I cross over in the direction of the bow. Have any of you observed this too? Thanks, Jim Conway, MA -- Kent B. Lewis (850) 449-4841 -- Cheers Clark and Skipper Our blog Our book?
Eric Woodman All Messages By This Member #17632 You want a rolling hitch.?
Tim Dunn All Messages By This Member #17636 I use the Ossel Hitch to attach the halyard to the upper spar. Its benefits are: it is easy, it resists a sideways (up or down the spar) pull and it stays firm even when wet which we often can be.? ? Directions can be seen here:?
Jim All Messages By This Member #17645 开云体育 Thanks for all the replies - I knew this group would come through for me!
jackamillerii All Messages By This Member #17646 Have yet to get my sunfish in the water, but knots I know.? You may want to consider this one.
turluck All Messages By This Member #17652 开云体育 Put 3-4 wraps of electrical tape just above where you want your knot to be.? ? ?

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