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2.5 dohc wiring questions


 

I have an 86 Vanagon with a 99 2.5 dohc engine that I purchased with a partial installation done but almost no other info on the conversion. Several of the group members have been very kind to E-mail me wiring diagrams and other info, which has helped me identify a number of the wires that are protruding from the partly installed harness. There are several, however that are still kicking my rear end. Coming out of the main harness are 2 smaller harnesses. One contains 1 large red wire, and 2 slightly smaller orange wires.?These wires were originally labeled with paper tags, but the printing on them faded out while the van was parked outside?sitting idle?for a couple of years. Also, I don't know if these are original wires from the Subaru harness or if they were pieces of wire that were spliced into Subaru wires of a different colors. I have been able?to partly read the tags on on the wires, and they are as follows: The tag on the red wire says?? RY
POWER. (battery power?). The tag on one orange wire says: HOT IN?? ART (hot in start?) and the other orange wire says IGNITION POWER. The second small harness contains another large red wire and a somewhat smaller black wire. The red wire says????? POWER and the black wire says A?? LAM.
SO - I'm guessing that the first red wire should have 12v at all times, the first orange wire should have 12v applied when the key is held in the crank position only, and the second orange wire should have 12v applied when the ignition is in the run position. As far as the red and black wires in the other harness, I don't have a guess as to what their application might be. ?I'm beginning to think that my best bet would be to just remove the harness and open it up to see what all was done inside. All opinions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. !!

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Kent or Jackie Ashton
 

Darrel, See p. 60 here


The ECU gets continuous ignition 12V via the large red wire which is connected to the hot post in the van distribution box, using an add-on inline fuse. That would be the R wire coming from "MB-3 SBF-2" shown on p. 60. The van's post is hot all the time, so I'm guess that's your "large red wire".

The start signal to the ECU comes from "ST IGW" (LR) at the top of p. 60 and goes eventually to ECU 86 (RY). In the van, you provide that the Ignition Start signal by connecting to plug T7a6 (RB) in the distribution box. I would guess that your RY wire needs to be connected to the RB wire of T7a6.

No idea about the orange wires.
-Kent

On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:59 PM, DARREL PENNIGAR wrote:

I have an 86 Vanagon with a 99 2.5 dohc engine that I purchased with a partial installation done but almost no other info on the conversion. Several of the group members have been very kind to E-mail me wiring diagrams and other info, which has helped me identify a number of the wires that are protruding from the partly installed harness. There are several, however that are still kicking my rear end. Coming out of the main harness are 2 smaller harnesses. One contains 1 large red wire, and 2 slightly smaller orange wires. These wires were originally labeled with paper tags, but the printing on them faded out while the van was parked outside sitting idle for a couple of years. Also, I don't know if these are original wires from the Subaru harness or if they were pieces of wire that were spliced into Subaru wires of a different colors. I have been able to partly read the tags on on the wires, and they are as follows: The tag on the red wire says RY
POWER. (battery power?). The tag on one orange wire says: HOT IN ART (hot in start?) and the other orange wire says IGNITION POWER. The second small harness contains another large red wire and a somewhat smaller black wire. The red wire says POWER and the black wire says A LAM.
SO - I'm guessing that the first red wire should have 12v at all times, the first orange wire should have 12v applied when the key is held in the crank position only, and the second orange wire should have 12v applied when the ignition is in the run position. As far as the red and black wires in the other harness, I don't have a guess as to what their application might be. I'm beginning to think that my best bet would be to just remove the harness and open it up to see what all was done inside. All opinions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. !!

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Scott Daniel - Turbovans
 

hi all,
re " continuous ignition 12V via the large red wire which is connected
to the hot post in the van"

Possible the poster did not mean 'continuous ignition 12v at that post' ..
it's full time Battery Voltage or course.

as for opinions and suggestions...
I'm leary of connecting anything unless I'm really sure it's right.
I'd probably 'start at pin 1 on the ecu , using the wiring diagram, and
just keep going' ..
checking each wire, wire by wire.
check each on 3 times.
and ..this is nice too..
put the engine on an engine stand right next to your wiring harness table..
with main harness connected to engine harness..
so you can check continuity from each ecu pin in the ecu connector all
the way to the device on the engine ..
do that for every last wire ..
and it'll work when you turn the key the first time.

I have seen poor connection through the engine plugs btw ..
and for that reason never use the Oil Press and Gauge Temp sensor wires
though the engine plugs ..
but rather run those straigt from van wires to sensor on the engine.

scott
www.turbovans.com

On 3/18/2012 7:04 PM, Kent or Jackie Ashton wrote:

Darrel, See p. 60 here


The ECU gets continuous ignition 12V via the large red wire which is
connected to the hot post in the van distribution box, using an add-on
inline fuse. That would be the R wire coming from "MB-3 SBF-2" shown
on p. 60. The van's post is hot all the time, so I'm guess that's your
"large red wire".

The start signal to the ECU comes from "ST IGW" (LR) at the top of p.
60 and goes eventually to ECU 86 (RY). In the van, you provide that
the Ignition Start signal by connecting to plug T7a6 (RB) in the
distribution box. I would guess that your RY wire needs to be
connected to the RB wire of T7a6.

No idea about the orange wires.
-Kent

On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:59 PM, DARREL PENNIGAR wrote:

I have an 86 Vanagon with a 99 2.5 dohc engine that I purchased with
a partial installation done but almost no other info on the
conversion. Several of the group members have been very kind to E-mail
me wiring diagrams and other info, which has helped me identify a
number of the wires that are protruding from the partly installed
harness. There are several, however that are still kicking my rear
end. Coming out of the main harness are 2 smaller harnesses. One
contains 1 large red wire, and 2 slightly smaller orange wires. These
wires were originally labeled with paper tags, but the printing on
them faded out while the van was parked outside sitting idle for a
couple of years. Also, I don't know if these are original wires from
the Subaru harness or if they were pieces of wire that were spliced
into Subaru wires of a different colors. I have been able to partly
read the tags on on the wires, and they are as follows: The tag on the
red wire says RY
POWER. (battery power?). The tag on one orange wire says: HOT IN ART
(hot in start?) and the other orange wire says IGNITION POWER. The
second small harness contains another large red wire and a somewhat
smaller black wire. The red wire says POWER and the black wire says A LAM.
SO - I'm guessing that the first red wire should have 12v at all
times, the first orange wire should have 12v applied when the key is
held in the crank position only, and the second orange wire should
have 12v applied when the ignition is in the run position. As far as
the red and black wires in the other harness, I don't have a guess as
to what their application might be. I'm beginning to think that my
best bet would be to just remove the harness and open it up to see
what all was done inside. All opinions and suggestions will be greatly
appreciated. !!





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You're in the middle of a guessing game that might be more work than
just opening up the harness. That's my suggestion, open it up on a
table where you can spread it out and verify each individual wire
against a diagram. Believe me, it'll save you time in the long run
and could potentially save your ecu when you blindly hook up power to
the wrong wire.

Don't mean to be a fear mongerer....just feel that you'll be happier
with the outcome if you pull the harness and dissect.

All the best,
Brent

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Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/