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Re: Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes

 

Please let me know if any of my experiences in this process can be of benefit to you! ?Essentially all of us doing these conversions are in this together.?
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes

 

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Oh man you’re not wrong. I put in my hopefully last dealer order this week. Some sensors, new coolant bypass pipe, the two small throttle body hoses etc and also got all of my new timing belt components. Pretty excited to slap the heads on.?

Sure would be nice if someone sold an actual complete kit, some of the items they don’t include are baffling. At the end of the day I went RMW because I didn’t like some of the things about the SC one, so I guess I shouldn’t complain.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 7:03?PM SubieVanagon via groups.io <wklail@...> wrote:
The instructions from RMW so far seem to be pretty good. ?I got the clutch kit from RMW, which is a Sachs kit. ?It came with the clutch, pressure plate, release bearing, pilot bearing, and the spline alignment tool. ?The pilot bearing is not needed because RMW’s flywheel already has the pilot bearing installed. As I mentioned, there was no suggestion to use blue thread locker on the bolts, but I did it anyway. ?
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I originally ordered my motor mounts from eBay but they were not the same. ?Now I can’t remember where I got the ones that actually matched the originals from the Subaru. ?But they were about $60 for the pair if I recall correctly. ?
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The one on the left was the one from eBay. ?It was listed as the same, but it was not the same size. ?It might have worked but I didn’t want to chance it so I returned them.
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The mounts I eventually purchased were identical to the originals. ?I will try to figure out where I purchase them. ?So many purchases!!!?
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

Sorry. ?Jason Boyer.
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

I agree with John Boyer. ?I prioritized the crank position which left the cam marks off possibly a half a notch. ?
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes

 

John A. ?At what stage are you in your conversion? ?Seems like we’re running parallel projects here. ?I appreciate your comments and feedback. ?
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes

 

After much struggling I got the fuel tank removed. ?My original intention was to remove it in order to install the stainless coolant lines, but as I got into the job it was obvious that all the hoses and fittings needed to be replaced. ?I’m thinking there won’t be a better time than now to take this on. ?So I will replace all the fittings and hoses. ?This is a California bus so there is no rust on the tank at all ( just lots of dirt). ?Tomorrow I will seal it up and powerwash it and paint it with a Rustoleum paint of some sort. ?Some people paint them with high zinc content paints, but I’m not sure that is necessary.
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes

 

The instructions from RMW so far seem to be pretty good. ?I got the clutch kit from RMW, which is a Sachs kit. ?It came with the clutch, pressure plate, release bearing, pilot bearing, and the spline alignment tool. ?The pilot bearing is not needed because RMW’s flywheel already has the pilot bearing installed. As I mentioned, there was no suggestion to use blue thread locker on the bolts, but I did it anyway. ?
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I originally ordered my motor mounts from eBay but they were not the same. ?Now I can’t remember where I got the ones that actually matched the originals from the Subaru. ?But they were about $60 for the pair if I recall correctly. ?
?
The one on the left was the one from eBay. ?It was listed as the same, but it was not the same size. ?It might have worked but I didn’t want to chance it so I returned them.
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The mounts I eventually purchased were identical to the originals. ?I will try to figure out where I purchase them. ?So many purchases!!!?
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes

 

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How do you feel about the instructions so far? I’m not a fan. Also what clutch did you use and lastly where did you get the engine mounts? The dealer wants a million dollars for them here.

Thank you sir, great write up?


On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 12:59?PM SubieVanagon via groups.io <wklail@...> wrote:
Today I started to remove the fuel tank and those pesky expansion tanks. ?I got the fuel filler neck out after shedding a bit of blood due to a nice scrape. ?The grommet on top of the expansion tank was rotted off and actually down inside the tank. ?No wonder I was always smelling gas. ?
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So next is removing the fuel tank itself and the plastic coolant pipes that run front to back. ?I believe the stainless pipes I purchased from Van Cafe are made to work with their conversion kit. ?
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In the meantime, I installed the clutch and pressure plate on the Subaru engine, torqued the bolts evenly to 22 ft lbs and, although I did not see it recommended in the RMW literature, I used a bit of blue thread locker on them. ?
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: Warren’s Conversion - Transmission refresh

 

Not a syncro, unfortunately
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: Warren’s Conversion - Transmission refresh

 

You need 4.5 liters for a syncro gearbox, just in case ;)


Phil
90 Westy Syncro 16
08 T5 Seikel Panamericana?


Le?mer. 12 mars 2025 à 20:48, SubieVanagon via <wklail=[email protected]> a écrit?:
I had some difficulty removing the drive flanges and seals but I finally got it done.? I had to order two new circlips from Van Cafe as I destroyed one of mine taking it out. Then I installed the new seals, replaced the plastic backing thing, and finished that part up.? I drained the gear oil and was it ever dirty! ? But there were very few metallic particles on the magnetic drain plug.? I filled it with 3 liters of GL-4 conventional 80-90 gear oil but I’m still not sure that’s enough.? Possibly I’ll need to add a bit more.? I replaced the throwout bearing (release bearing) with a Sachs bearing, lubed the cross shaft bushings with dry lube and things there look pretty good.? I also installed a new reverse light switch as mine was toast. ?
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Also I received my new high torque starter from Van Cafe.? I have the adapter plate from Westy Ventures.? So other than possibly adding a bit more gear oil, I’m good with the transmission.? The cross shaft bushings looked good and they were snug.? The main shaft had a bit of side to side wriggle but it was tight when I pulled on it.? The mounting rubber was also in good condition.? So I think I’m finished with this part of the conversion for now at least.
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes

 

Today I started to remove the fuel tank and those pesky expansion tanks. ?I got the fuel filler neck out after shedding a bit of blood due to a nice scrape. ?The grommet on top of the expansion tank was rotted off and actually down inside the tank. ?No wonder I was always smelling gas. ?
?
So next is removing the fuel tank itself and the plastic coolant pipes that run front to back. ?I believe the stainless pipes I purchased from Van Cafe are made to work with their conversion kit. ?
?
In the meantime, I installed the clutch and pressure plate on the Subaru engine, torqued the bolts evenly to 22 ft lbs and, although I did not see it recommended in the RMW literature, I used a bit of blue thread locker on them. ?
?
--
Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Warren’s Conversion - Transmission refresh

 

I had some difficulty removing the drive flanges and seals but I finally got it done. ?I had to order two new circlips from Van Cafe as I destroyed one of mine taking it out. Then I installed the new seals, replaced the plastic backing thing, and finished that part up. ?I drained the gear oil and was it ever dirty! ? But there were very few metallic particles on the magnetic drain plug. ?I filled it with 3 liters of GL-4 conventional 80-90 gear oil but I’m still not sure that’s enough. ?Possibly I’ll need to add a bit more. ?I replaced the throwout bearing (release bearing) with a Sachs bearing, lubed the cross shaft bushings with dry lube and things there look pretty good. ?I also installed a new reverse light switch as mine was toast. ?
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Also I received my new high torque starter from Van Cafe. ?I have the adapter plate from Westy Ventures. ?So other than possibly adding a bit more gear oil, I’m good with the transmission. ?The cross shaft bushings looked good and they were snug. ?The main shaft had a bit of side to side wriggle but it was tight when I pulled on it. ?The mounting rubber was also in good condition. ?So I think I’m finished with this part of the conversion for now at least.
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Warren
89 Westy?
88 Tintop
70 Westy


Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

I’ve already got one in hand. Definitely a reminder to everyone to check that these are already in place.?


Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

A new guide costs $9.99 for an OEM Subaru one on Amazon.? Cheap insurance.


Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

A new guide can't be too expensive; I like the peace of mind it gives.
Terry A Shaw


On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 at 20:11, Ryan C via <candagrm=[email protected]> wrote:
I went to do a timing belt change for the first time since conversion and got to setting TDC before removing the old belt. I noticed that the timing mark on the crank sprocket appears to be off by one tooth while the cams seem to be perfectly aligned. The van was running well. How is this possible?? Another observation I made was that the belt guide is not in place. This conversion was done by RMW so I was surprised to not see the guide. Donor car VIN lists MT so it should have been there, no?
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Thanks in advance for any insight.??
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Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

I had the same issue when I installed a timing belt on my EJ22. I ended up prioritizing the crank position and my cams were a bit off. It wasn’t one whole tooth though, it was like 1/2 a tooth distance. So I shrugged my shoulders and ran with it (non-interference 1990 variant) and everything was fine. I’m not sure if this is typical, or helpful to you, but that was my experience.


Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

I use clamps?

Andy Vanis?
505-304-5306 USA and WhatsApp

On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, 7:31?PM wallaces_21 via <grandfatherjim=[email protected]> wrote:
Way back I changed the timing belt in our 98 Forester 2.5 DOHC and previously someone had installed the belt one tooth off. Now I can't exactly recall whether it was off on one of the cam gears or the crank gear, bit fwiw the car had been running fine and ran even better after the new belt was correctly installed.
I later mentioned to a mechanic friend about the trouble I had keeping all four cam gears in position while installing the new belt, as two or more really didn't want to sit still. He said he uses zip ties to hold the belt to the gears while installing - seems like a good idea.
Jim

On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, 8:11 p.m. Ryan C via <candagrm=[email protected]> wrote:
I went to do a timing belt change for the first time since conversion and got to setting TDC before removing the old belt. I noticed that the timing mark on the crank sprocket appears to be off by one tooth while the cams seem to be perfectly aligned. The van was running well. How is this possible?? Another observation I made was that the belt guide is not in place. This conversion was done by RMW so I was surprised to not see the guide. Donor car VIN lists MT so it should have been there, no?
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Thanks in advance for any insight.??
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Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

Way back I changed the timing belt in our 98 Forester 2.5 DOHC and previously someone had installed the belt one tooth off. Now I can't exactly recall whether it was off on one of the cam gears or the crank gear, bit fwiw the car had been running fine and ran even better after the new belt was correctly installed.
I later mentioned to a mechanic friend about the trouble I had keeping all four cam gears in position while installing the new belt, as two or more really didn't want to sit still. He said he uses zip ties to hold the belt to the gears while installing - seems like a good idea.
Jim

On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, 8:11 p.m. Ryan C via <candagrm=[email protected]> wrote:
I went to do a timing belt change for the first time since conversion and got to setting TDC before removing the old belt. I noticed that the timing mark on the crank sprocket appears to be off by one tooth while the cams seem to be perfectly aligned. The van was running well. How is this possible?? Another observation I made was that the belt guide is not in place. This conversion was done by RMW so I was surprised to not see the guide. Donor car VIN lists MT so it should have been there, no?
?
Thanks in advance for any insight.??
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Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

Good call on the leak down. That will probably be my next step. I'm just baffled that it seemed to run smoothly like this.??


Re: EJ251 SOHC Timing

 

tooh off - install error? skipped due to no guard?

no guard?- install error?

running well - guess you'll see if it runs better exactly on target!? possibly one tooth isn't enough to bend things.? you could always do a leak down test to?verify integrity.

Let us know?what you find and how it runs!

Andy Vanis

USA and Whatsapp +1(505) 304-5306



On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 6:11?PM Ryan C via <candagrm=[email protected]> wrote:
I went to do a timing belt change for the first time since conversion and got to setting TDC before removing the old belt. I noticed that the timing mark on the crank sprocket appears to be off by one tooth while the cams seem to be perfectly aligned. The van was running well. How is this possible?? Another observation I made was that the belt guide is not in place. This conversion was done by RMW so I was surprised to not see the guide. Donor car VIN lists MT so it should have been there, no?
?
Thanks in advance for any insight.??
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