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Thanks, Dazza. That page recommendation helps immensely
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On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 23:24, Karen Lewellen < klewellen@...> wrote: Mike,
not sure where you are in the world, but between Linux users groups,
freecycle groups and so forth, finding a modem of that type should be
possible? for a great deal less.? If you are still looking of course.
Karen
On Sun, 1 May 2022, grenouille7777 wrote:
> Yeah, but all well over $150 -- way past my budget at the time. I miss
> my old Hayes -- never let me down for over 25 years.
>
> Mike
>
> Decaffeinated coffee is like a hooker who only wants to cuddle.
>
> On 5/1/22 12:12, Tara Li wrote:
>>? Odd - I'm seeing listings for USR 56K external modems all over the
>>? place.? Kind of surprised USR is still around, honestly.
>>
>>? On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 2:09 PM grenouille7777
>>? <grenouille7777@...> wrote:
>>
>>? ? ? Probably, but until a couple of years ago I still had an external
>>? ? ? modem that I used for faxing things as the medical profession
>>? ? ? (until fairly recently) didn't like sending/receiving patient info
>>? ? ? by email. They still don't, but will accept thing through their
>>? ? ? web portals. Anyway, in the long run, it was more practical to
>>? ? ? install the dedicated com port as it was a permanent part of my
>>? ? ? system.
>>
>>? ? ? Sadly, some smoke escaped from it one day and I've had a hell of a
>>? ? ? time finding a replacement. As I refuse to run Windoze, most of
>>? ? ? the internal modem cards (as well as many USB ones) are less than
>>? ? ? useless to me.
>>
>>? ? ? m
>>
>>? ? ? Decaffeinated coffee is like a hooker who only wants to cuddle.
>>
>>? ? ? On 5/1/22 09:06, Z C wrote:
>> >? ? ? Easier to use a USB-to-Serial cable, unless the program you are
>> >? ? ? using it with expects COM ports 1-4. If your PuTTY doesn¡¯t have
>> >? ? ? the serial option, is it the last version, downloaded from the
>> >? ? ? original PuTTY website? Or was it a possibly recompiled version
>> >? ? ? included in another software bundle?
>> >
>> >? ? ? I have used Win7,10,11 with PuTTY and a USB-to-Serial cable with
>> >? ? ? no problems.
>> >
>> >? ? ? On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 9:00 AM SlickRCBD
>> >? ? ? <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >? ? ? ? ? On 4/30/2022 4:49 PM, Jimbocous wrote:
>> > >? Strange. I use PuTTY on serial ports all the time.
>> > >? Last option on the connection line is "Serial", then select
>> >? ? ? ? ? the relevant/equipped serial port and normal serial
>> >? ? ? ? ? parameters 9600/8/1/N etc.
>> >? ? ? ? ? ?>
>> >? ? ? ? ? I just looked at the Putty installed on my Win10 computer and
>> >? ? ? ? ? I didn't
>> >? ? ? ? ? see "serial" as an option anywhere.
>> >? ? ? ? ? On the other hand, the Win10 computer doesn't have any serial
>> >? ? ? ? ? ports
>> >? ? ? ? ? either. I'll check the copy on my 20 year old 98SE/XP
>> >? ? ? ? ? computer, the most
>> >? ? ? ? ? modern working computer I have with a serial port.
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On 4/30/2022 4:49 PM, Jimbocous wrote:
Strange. I use PuTTY on serial ports all the time.
Last option on the connection line is "Serial", then select the relevant/equipped serial port and normal serial parameters 9600/8/1/N etc. >
I just looked at the Putty installed on my Win10 computer and I didn't
see "serial" as an option anywhere.
On the other hand, the Win10 computer doesn't have any serial ports
either. I'll check the copy on my 20 year old 98SE/XP computer, the most
modern working computer I have with a serial port. Time for a version update then.
I'm running PuTTY 0.76 on Windows 10, and the connection options are
"SSH", "Serial" and "Other", with a drop down box which includes
Telnet, RLogin, SUPDUP, Raw and bare-ssh
DaZZa
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On 5/1/2022 5:21 PM, DaZZa wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2022 at 08:15, SlickRCBD <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote:
I'm not seeing serial as an option with Putty 0.58 under Windows XP.
That computer has a currently unused port marked "RS-232" that I used to
hook up my TI-82 calculator to back in college.
Where is the option to use serial in the config screen? That version is at least 107 years out of date (rel;ease date 2005!)
Update to the latest version (yes, there is still a 32 bit release),
or at least one newer than about 2015 and serial will be an option.
DaZZa
Like I said, I hadn't updated the one on 98SE/XP in a long time. I thought I had newer versions on the newer computers. The one on the Vista/7 computer should be from around late 2008 or early 2009, and I thought the one on the Win10 computer was from around 2018 but I might have grabbed it from the Vista/7 computer. Frankly, I'm surprised the one on the XP computer isn't newer or older. Either a version from around 2007 or a version no newer than 2002. I'm basing this on when I made heavy use of PuTTY as opposed to going long times without having much use for it. I'm not sure why I'd have updated to the 2005 version.
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On Mon, 2 May 2022 at 09:11, SlickRCBD <slickrcbdalerts@...> wrote: Like I said, I hadn't updated the one on 98SE/XP in a long time.
I thought I had newer versions on the newer computers. The one on the
Vista/7 computer should be from around late 2008 or early 2009, and I
thought the one on the Win10 computer was from around 2018 but I might
have grabbed it from the Vista/7 computer. Then perhaps definitively stating that PuTTY doesn't support serial connections as you did here This might help, but I haven't tried. I know Putty won't help since it
only works over TCP/IP, not the serial ports (or a serial->usb
conversion). I do recommend Putty for SSH connections. wasn't the wisest move you could have made. DaZZa DaZZa
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Yeah, most internal and USB modems nowadays are soft-modems, where most of the hard work is done by the driver (aka Windows modems). These would be shit under the Linux variants (and most Windows versions, too). Hardware modems (with proper serial ports and AT commands) are much more expensive and hard to find, now. A good way to search for a hardware modem is to search for an external serial modem.
A proper USB-to-Serial cable with a reliable chipset (FTDI or PL2303) has drivers available for both Windows and Linux and can speak to an external modem or serial console ports from various devices.?
Does your external modem still work? You said the motherboard serial port fried, nothing about the modem.
Probably, but until a
couple of years ago I still had an external modem that I used for
faxing things as the medical profession (until fairly recently)
didn't like sending/receiving patient info by email. They still
don't, but will accept thing through their web portals. Anyway, in
the long run, it was more practical to install the dedicated com
port as it was a permanent part of my system.
Sadly, some smoke escaped from it one day and I've had a hell of a
time finding a replacement. As I refuse to run Windoze, most of
the internal modem cards (as well as many USB ones) are less than
useless to me.
m
Decaffeinated
coffee is like a hooker who only wants to cuddle.
On 5/1/22 09:06, Z C wrote:
Easier to use a USB-to-Serial cable, unless the
program you are using it with expects COM ports 1-4. If your
PuTTY doesn¡¯t have the serial option, is it the last version,
downloaded from the original PuTTY website? Or was it a possibly
recompiled version included in another software bundle?
I have used Win7,10,11 with PuTTY and a
USB-to-Serial cable with no problems.
On 4/30/2022 4:49 PM, Jimbocous wrote:
> Strange. I use PuTTY on serial ports all the time.
> Last option on the connection line is "Serial", then
select the relevant/equipped serial port and normal serial
parameters 9600/8/1/N etc.
?>
I just looked at the Putty installed on my Win10 computer
and I didn't
see "serial" as an option anywhere.
On the other hand, the Win10 computer doesn't have any
serial ports
either. I'll check the copy on my 20 year old 98SE/XP
computer, the most
modern working computer I have with a serial port.
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Doubt it's a version issue. But you won't be offered the Serial option if Windoze doesn't see a serial port, either hardware or software via a driver.
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No, it was my modem that
fried, the computer's fine (it's now a server). I guess I should
have been more clear. I do have a USB to serial cable that works
with both; I just prefer to use a dedicated serial port. I'm kinda
weird that way.
As I mentioned, I don't have as pressing of a need for one anymore
so I just keep my eyes open for a good deal. That's how I got my
last one. I saw a listing on the old Yahoo! Auctions (yeah, I'm
dating myself). It was less than a year old and I got it for $20.
They were retailing for about $140 at the time (late '90s).
Mike
Decaffeinated
coffee is like a hooker who only wants to cuddle.
On 5/1/22 19:43, Z C wrote:
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Yeah, most internal and USB modems nowadays are
soft-modems, where most of the hard work is done by the driver
(aka Windows modems). These would be shit under the Linux
variants (and most Windows versions, too). Hardware modems
(with proper serial ports and AT commands) are much more
expensive and hard to find, now. A good way to search for a
hardware modem is to search for an external serial modem.
A proper USB-to-Serial cable with a
reliable chipset (FTDI or PL2303) has drivers available for
both Windows and Linux and can speak to an external modem or
serial console ports from various devices.?
Does your external modem still work? You said
the motherboard serial port fried, nothing about the modem.
Probably,
but until a couple of years ago I still had an
external modem that I used for faxing things as the
medical profession (until fairly recently) didn't like
sending/receiving patient info by email. They still
don't, but will accept thing through their web
portals. Anyway, in the long run, it was more
practical to install the dedicated com port as it was
a permanent part of my system.
Sadly, some smoke escaped from it one day and I've had
a hell of a time finding a replacement. As I refuse to
run Windoze, most of the internal modem cards (as well
as many USB ones) are less than useless to me.
m
Decaffeinated
coffee is like a hooker who only wants to
cuddle.
On 5/1/22 09:06, Z C wrote:
Easier to use a USB-to-Serial cable,
unless the program you are using it with expects COM
ports 1-4. If your PuTTY doesn¡¯t have the serial
option, is it the last version, downloaded from the
original PuTTY website? Or was it a possibly
recompiled version included in another software
bundle?
I have used Win7,10,11 with PuTTY and
a USB-to-Serial cable with no problems.
On 4/30/2022 4:49 PM, Jimbocous wrote:
> Strange. I use PuTTY on serial ports all
the time.
> Last option on the connection line is
"Serial", then select the relevant/equipped
serial port and normal serial parameters
9600/8/1/N etc.
?>
I just looked at the Putty installed on my Win10
computer and I didn't
see "serial" as an option anywhere.
On the other hand, the Win10 computer doesn't
have any serial ports
either. I'll check the copy on my 20 year old
98SE/XP computer, the most
modern working computer I have with a serial
port.
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Ah, I misunderstood then. Re-reading, you originally stated that serial ports were on most motherboards, including most modern ones, even if hidden as a header you have to plug a converter cable into. That is true at the retail component level, but not necessarily integrated systems, from what I¡¯ve seen, such has home HP systems and similar low-level ¡°grunt work¡± systems. Higher end, such as gaming or workstation, yes.
Even if only exposed as an internal header, I usually hook it up anyway, just in case, even though it¡¯s been years since I used it on my tower. I usually use it on my laptop via USB-to-Serial for console connections.
BTW, I have had good luck recently ditching the laptop for serial console work and using my iPad via a Serial-to-Bluetooth/Ethernet/WiFi device call AirConsole ().
No, it was my modem that
fried, the computer's fine (it's now a server). I guess I should
have been more clear. I do have a USB to serial cable that works
with both; I just prefer to use a dedicated serial port. I'm kinda
weird that way.
As I mentioned, I don't have as pressing of a need for one anymore
so I just keep my eyes open for a good deal. That's how I got my
last one. I saw a listing on the old Yahoo! Auctions (yeah, I'm
dating myself). It was less than a year old and I got it for $20.
They were retailing for about $140 at the time (late '90s).
Mike
Decaffeinated
coffee is like a hooker who only wants to cuddle.
On 5/1/22 19:43, Z C wrote:
Yeah, most internal and USB modems nowadays are
soft-modems, where most of the hard work is done by the driver
(aka Windows modems). These would be shit under the Linux
variants (and most Windows versions, too). Hardware modems
(with proper serial ports and AT commands) are much more
expensive and hard to find, now. A good way to search for a
hardware modem is to search for an external serial modem.
A proper USB-to-Serial cable with a
reliable chipset (FTDI or PL2303) has drivers available for
both Windows and Linux and can speak to an external modem or
serial console ports from various devices.?
Does your external modem still work? You said
the motherboard serial port fried, nothing about the modem.
Probably,
but until a couple of years ago I still had an
external modem that I used for faxing things as the
medical profession (until fairly recently) didn't like
sending/receiving patient info by email. They still
don't, but will accept thing through their web
portals. Anyway, in the long run, it was more
practical to install the dedicated com port as it was
a permanent part of my system.
Sadly, some smoke escaped from it one day and I've had
a hell of a time finding a replacement. As I refuse to
run Windoze, most of the internal modem cards (as well
as many USB ones) are less than useless to me.
m
Decaffeinated
coffee is like a hooker who only wants to
cuddle.
On 5/1/22 09:06, Z C wrote:
Easier to use a USB-to-Serial cable,
unless the program you are using it with expects COM
ports 1-4. If your PuTTY doesn¡¯t have the serial
option, is it the last version, downloaded from the
original PuTTY website? Or was it a possibly
recompiled version included in another software
bundle?
I have used Win7,10,11 with PuTTY and
a USB-to-Serial cable with no problems.
On 4/30/2022 4:49 PM, Jimbocous wrote:
> Strange. I use PuTTY on serial ports all
the time.
> Last option on the connection line is
"Serial", then select the relevant/equipped
serial port and normal serial parameters
9600/8/1/N etc.
?>
I just looked at the Putty installed on my Win10
computer and I didn't
see "serial" as an option anywhere.
On the other hand, the Win10 computer doesn't
have any serial ports
either. I'll check the copy on my 20 year old
98SE/XP computer, the most
modern working computer I have with a serial
port.
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I forget which downturn it was, but probably 30-40 years ago (before it was explicitly made illegal), I'd see want ads with an incredibly detailed list of requirements that would terminate with something similar to "... or 6-9 months in the job offered."
What was happening was that they had either a college intern or a temp whose green card was about to expire who was performing acceptably, so they wrote up the position requirements based on everything the individual was actually doing, not the actual requirements for the nominal position, and put in that last phrase to make certain that the person they already had didn't have to document being able to meet the other requirements, and if someone applied who actually met the list of requirements, they could justify saying that they were making a justified business decision to hire the "less expensive" person.?
As a related aside, somewhere, if I haven't thrown it away, I have a 3x5 card to which I've taped one of those 3-line tiny classified ads asking for someone who is highly qualified in quantum physics and advanced MHD. I just thought it was incongruous to be looking for those types of qualifications with that sort of ad.
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I have an old Win98 laptop downstairs. I haven't used it in years. Never had putty on it, and now I only have the standard Windows Terminal that came with it. Unfortunate, because there was a time when I was running Windows 3.1 Terminal on all my machines through XP - for my job, I worked with various single-board computers that interfaced using a 9600 baud RS232 link, and the terminal program from Win3.1 had a useful feature that Microsoft got rid of in later versions, and I haven't found in other serial programs. I don't know what it was officially named, but we called it "line at a time file transfer."
The SBCs I worked with had one of two resident languages (BASIC or Forth), so we'd write our programs using the better facilities on a PC, then transfer them down to the SBC. To avoid overrunning the input buffers on the SBC, we had to slow down the transmission in some way. The first way was to configure an arbitrary delay between each character, but that was very slow. You had to set the delay for the worst-case compilation time of each line.?The second way was to wait for each character to be echoed back from the SBC. Again, not very time-efficient.
Win3.1 Terminal had a configuration option to send an entire line at a time, then wait for a specified character to come back. We set it to wait for a carriage return, and wrote the "compile error" handler to write the error message without sending a carriage return and pause for input. Worked like a charm. We even wrote a "download switch" into the language, so that by putting the proper commands at the beginning and end of the file being downloaded, the SBC would not print anything during the file transfer?except the carriage return to signify that it was ready to accept another line, which gave us another noticeable speedup.
Unfortunately, I lost all my copies of Win3.1 terminal somewhere around the time we were finally forced to move from WinXP to Win7, probably because we were simultaneously moving from using a text editor and a terminal to using an IDE (for BASIC) and mostly replacing the use of Forth (we had one prospect who told us he eliminated us from consideration?because we offered that language) with cross-compiled C.
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ProcommPlus, Xterm, Sterm and a bunch of other freeware terminal programs for DOS, Windows and my old TRS-80 also did that nicely. Useful to upload to BBSs if you didn't have one of the error-correction protocols that rendered prompted transfer obsolete. I once used that approach to upload a "database" from my Trash 80 to a CDC750 mainframe (cable records for the new phone system). Good grins.
Later did that same game using ProcommPlus's Aspect scripting language moving data to/from systems that had no other means of controlling such interactions, including programming PBX changess from csv text files. Fun stuff.
On 05/03/2022 1:24 PM Steve Wheeler <steven.r.wheeler@...> wrote:
... and the terminal program from Win3.1 had a useful feature that Microsoft got rid of in later versions, and I haven't found in other serial programs. I don't know what it was officially named, but we called it "line at a time file transfer."
...
Win3.1 Terminal had a configuration option to send an entire line at a time, then wait for a specified character to come back. We set it to wait for a carriage return, and wrote the "compile error" handler to write the error message without sending a carriage return and pause for input. Worked like a charm.
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That ad is how I got Igor, my lab assistant.
A highly qualified surgeon with an interest in post mortem work and qualified in (a branch of) high energy physics.
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I forget which downturn it was, but probably 30-40 years ago (before it was explicitly made illegal), I'd see want ads with an incredibly detailed list of requirements that would terminate with something similar to "... or 6-9 months in the job offered."
What was happening was that they had either a college intern or a temp whose green card was about to expire who was performing acceptably, so they wrote up the position requirements based on everything the individual was actually doing, not the actual requirements for the nominal position, and put in that last phrase to make certain that the person they already had didn't have to document being able to meet the other requirements, and if someone applied who actually met the list of requirements, they could justify saying that they were making a justified business decision to hire the "less expensive" person.?
As a related aside, somewhere, if I haven't thrown it away, I have a 3x5 card to which I've taped one of those 3-line tiny classified ads asking for someone who is highly qualified in quantum physics and advanced MHD. I just thought it was incongruous to be looking for those types of qualifications with that sort of ad.
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I had an ADDS terminal that would accept input from the AUX Serial port, line by line, and send it straight to the host system. You could define the character it would wait for in order to sent the next buffered line.
I never found out what the option set on that thing had been intended for (I suspect either a paper tape or
possibly a punch card reader).
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On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 20:39, Jimbocous < jim.burt@...> wrote:
ProcommPlus, Xterm, Sterm and a bunch of other freeware terminal programs for DOS, Windows and my old TRS-80 also did that nicely. Useful to upload to BBSs if you didn't have one of the error-correction protocols that rendered prompted transfer obsolete. I once used that approach to upload a "database" from my Trash 80 to a CDC750 mainframe (cable records for the new phone system). Good grins.
Later did that same game using ProcommPlus's Aspect scripting language moving data to/from systems that had no other means of controlling such interactions, including programming PBX changess from csv text files. Fun stuff.
... and the terminal program from Win3.1 had a useful feature that Microsoft got rid of in later versions, and I haven't found in other serial programs. I don't know what it was officially named, but we called it "line at a time file transfer."
...
Win3.1 Terminal had a configuration option to send an entire line at a time, then wait for a specified character to come back. We set it to wait for a carriage return, and wrote the "compile error" handler to write the error message without sending a carriage return and pause for input. Worked like a charm.
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On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 12:53 PM, AlyssonR wrote:
You write software for clocks?
When I was in college the University used a Univac 1108 for both business and educational computing. Said machine had a very large LED clock readout which was easily seen from the hall outside the glass enclosed computer room (must show the world we had a big computer, after all). So apparently the people working in the Admin building would come to work each morning and check the time displayed on the computer, correcting their Accutron watches if the watch differed from the computer. Of course back then mainframe computers were rebooted each morning by the computer operator who set the time by looking at his (maybe $25, mine were $5) Timex watch and hitting the carriage return key (no enter key back then) on the operator's console (some type of teletype, or a Selectric typewriter on IBM 360). For a while I was the guy who would reboot the computer at the beginning of my shift, entering the date and time each day. JZ P,S, Back then I never forgot the correct year when writing checks in January.
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My nephew interned with Caterpillar while at University and basically trained the person they employed for the job he was doing when he returned Uni to finish his degree.
Fast forward 18 months, he is working his first paid job, person he trained phoned him as they were leaving and the people that he'd interned under wanted him back if he was interested, he'snow back working for them.
Tommy
British by birth, Scottish by the grace of God
www.stopthetraffik.org
On Tuesday, 3 May 2022, 19:56:28 BST, Steve Wheeler <steven.r.wheeler@...> wrote:
I forget which downturn it was, but probably 30-40 years ago (before it was explicitly made illegal), I'd see want ads with an incredibly detailed list of requirements that would terminate with something similar to "... or 6-9 months in the job offered."
What was happening was that they had either a college intern or a temp whose green card was about to expire who was performing acceptably, so they wrote up the position requirements based on everything the individual was actually doing, not the actual requirements for the nominal position, and put in that last phrase to make certain that the person they already had didn't have to document being able to meet the other requirements, and if someone applied who actually met the list of requirements, they could justify saying that they were making a justified business decision to hire the "less expensive" person.?
As a related aside, somewhere, if I haven't thrown it away, I have a 3x5 card to which I've taped one of those 3-line tiny classified ads asking for someone who is highly qualified in quantum physics and advanced MHD. I just thought it was incongruous to be looking for those types of qualifications with that sort of ad.
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On 5/1/2022 5:23 PM, DaZZa wrote: 107 years?
Methinks typos snuck in! I meant 17!
DaZZa
Well, it is a 22 year old computer and the version I had worked just fine on it. I found out that I installed the same version of PuTTY on my Win10 computer that I had on the Windows 7 computer, which was from around 2009. Apparently adding serial support is relatively recent. I'm also confused why I had a version of PuTTY from 2005 installed on the 98SE/XP computer. I'd have expected it to be from either before 2002 or around 2007. The only thing I can think of is when I made the system a dual-boot with XP and had to download an XP version of the program, but I thought that was in 2006. Which might explain it if Putty hadn't been updated yet when I installed XP.
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On 5/2/2022 12:21 AM, Jimbocous wrote: Doubt it's a version issue. But you won't be offered the Serial option if Windoze doesn't see a serial port, either hardware or software via a driver.
It is, as mentioned the one on the only computer with a serial port is an older version that doesn't support serial connections.
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Steve --
I have the install disks for Win 3.11, so I
installed it to a VM and pulled the Terminal executable and help
files from it. Hope they are of some use.
I tried to send them directly to you, but Gmail's bloody
attachment filter kept stopping it<grrrrr>.
Mike
Decaffeinated
coffee is like a hooker who only wants to cuddle.
On 5/3/22 12:24, Steve Wheeler wrote:
I have an old Win98 laptop downstairs. I haven't used it in years.
Never had putty on it, and now I only have the standard Windows
Terminal that came with it. Unfortunate, because there was a time
when I was running Windows 3.1 Terminal on all my machines through
XP - for my job, I worked with various single-board computers that
interfaced using a 9600 baud RS232 link, and the terminal program
from Win3.1 had a useful feature that Microsoft got rid of in
later versions, and I haven't found in other serial programs. I
don't know what it was officially named, but we called it "line at
a time file transfer."
The SBCs I worked with had one of two resident languages (BASIC or
Forth), so we'd write our programs using the better facilities on
a PC, then transfer them down to the SBC. To avoid overrunning the
input buffers on the SBC, we had to slow down the transmission in
some way. The first way was to configure an arbitrary delay
between each character, but that was very slow. You had to set the
delay for the worst-case compilation time of each line.?The second
way was to wait for each character to be echoed back from the SBC.
Again, not very time-efficient.
Win3.1 Terminal had a configuration option to send an entire line
at a time, then wait for a specified character to come back. We
set it to wait for a carriage return, and wrote the "compile
error" handler to write the error message without sending a
carriage return and pause for input. Worked like a charm. We even
wrote a "download switch" into the language, so that by putting
the proper commands at the beginning and end of the file being
downloaded, the SBC would not print anything during the file
transfer?except the carriage return to signify that it
was ready to accept another line, which gave us another noticeable
speedup.
Unfortunately, I lost all my copies of Win3.1 terminal somewhere
around the time we were finally forced to move from WinXP to Win7,
probably because we were simultaneously moving from using a text
editor and a terminal to using an IDE (for BASIC) and mostly
replacing the use of Forth (we had one prospect who told us he
eliminated us from consideration?because we offered that
language) with cross-compiled C.
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Thank you! I've downloaded it, and I'll give it a try over the weekend. I guess I got my internet back at the right time. :-)
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No problem. Think I'll
show my kids what computing used to look like while I have
it<smirk>.
Mike
Decaffeinated
coffee is like a hooker who only wants to cuddle.
On 5/6/22 19:31, Steve Wheeler wrote:
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Thank you! I've downloaded it, and I'll give it a try over the
weekend. I guess I got my internet back at the right time. :-)
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