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I have a Suydam flat work motor - probably Pacific Electric- that I am restoring and plan to
paint for the SN? (is that heresy ?).? Can anyone tell me the paint scheme (late in the SN's

existence) for MOW equipment?? I was thinking perhaps black or gray roof, Pullman green
body, and either black or the light green trucks like on the 1005...comments ?
? Thanks,
????? Dan Lee,? San Jose

Garth,

My apologies for the slow response to your post. Once again, thanks for the good info:? I'm going to go with the

MW 300-302 paint scheme of pullman green body, moss green trucks, black roof.

I also have a model of the 1010 box motor? and am fgoing to paint it in the poppy orange scheme when I get it

tuned up.

I hope you all are staying well and doing OK with the health situation in the UK.? I'm sure there's lots of modeling

taking place in the US and UK while we're all in "lockdown".

Best regards,

? Dan Lee

? San Jose, CA

On April 15, 2020 at 3:38 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Dan,

The SN did not have any powered MW equipment, except for the three passenger motors that were transferred to MW after passenger service ended in 1942, MW 300-302. These cars retained their passenger paint scheme for many years: pullman green body, moss green trucks, black roof. In 1955 all three were stripped of their electrical gear by the WP, and was probably then that the bodies were repainted in WP's MOW light yellow-orange color.

I've often thought that the Suydam motor was a closer match to NE's original?freight motor 701 than any known PE equipment. Compare your model to Swett's CARS OF SACRAMENTO NORTHERN, page 37. IIRC, Suydam supplied this motor with distinctive?PE trucks, but the body was pure SN. Since the trucks on the SN would have partly been blocked by 3rd rail shoes, you could easily get away with using the model as-is. Unfortunately, 701 was scrapped in 1935, and so was rarely photographed.

NE 701 would have been painted "poppy orange" during the early days (NE freight motors were known as "yellow bellies" by their crews). This was the same body color used on passenger cars. I'm not sure if the?freight motors got the?terra cotta roofs (maybe) and window trim (less likely) used on passenger equipment. Poppy yellow could still be seen on the safety stripes of derelict motor?652 at the WRM until it was repainted for static display. Poppy orange always photographed as black, since orthochromatic films of the time weren't sensitive to oranges and yellows. Probably after 1920 when NE equipment was repainted by the Sacramento Northern Railroad, the body would actually have been black. Photos of the few wooden motors that survived into the Kodachrome era, particularly flat motor 405, show the paint WAS black.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff ??

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:02 AM rrmaven < dan.shirleylee@...> wrote:

I have a Suydam flat work motor - probably Pacific Electric- that I am restoring and plan to
paint for the SN? (is that heresy ?).? Can anyone tell me the paint scheme (late in the SN's

existence) for MOW equipment?? I was thinking perhaps black or gray roof, Pullman green
body, and either black or the light green trucks like on the 1005...comments ?
? Thanks,
????? Dan Lee,? San Jose

?

?

?

Garth,

My apologies for the slow response to your post. Once again, thanks for the good info:? I'm going to go with the

MW 300-302 paint scheme of pullman green body, moss green trucks, black roof.

I also have a model of the 1010 box motor? and am fgoing to paint it in the poppy orange scheme when I get it

tuned up.

I hope you all are staying well and doing OK with the health situation in the UK.? I'm sure there's lots of modeling

taking place in the US and UK while we're all in "lockdown".

Best regards,

? Dan Lee

? San Jose, CA

On April 15, 2020 at 3:38 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Dan,

The SN did not have any powered MW equipment, except for the three passenger motors that were transferred to MW after passenger service ended in 1942, MW 300-302. These cars retained their passenger paint scheme for many years: pullman green body, moss green trucks, black roof. In 1955 all three were stripped of their electrical gear by the WP, and was probably then that the bodies were repainted in WP's MOW light yellow-orange color.

I've often thought that the Suydam motor was a closer match to NE's original?freight motor 701 than any known PE equipment. Compare your model to Swett's CARS OF SACRAMENTO NORTHERN, page 37. IIRC, Suydam supplied this motor with distinctive?PE trucks, but the body was pure SN. Since the trucks on the SN would have partly been blocked by 3rd rail shoes, you could easily get away with using the model as-is. Unfortunately, 701 was scrapped in 1935, and so was rarely photographed.

NE 701 would have been painted "poppy orange" during the early days (NE freight motors were known as "yellow bellies" by their crews). This was the same body color used on passenger cars. I'm not sure if the?freight motors got the?terra cotta roofs (maybe) and window trim (less likely) used on passenger equipment. Poppy yellow could still be seen on the safety stripes of derelict motor?652 at the WRM until it was repainted for static display. Poppy orange always photographed as black, since orthochromatic films of the time weren't sensitive to oranges and yellows. Probably after 1920 when NE equipment was repainted by the Sacramento Northern Railroad, the body would actually have been black. Photos of the few wooden motors that survived into the Kodachrome era, particularly flat motor 405, show the paint WAS black.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff ??

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:02 AM rrmaven < dan.shirleylee@...> wrote:

I have a Suydam flat work motor - probably Pacific Electric- that I am restoring and plan to
paint for the SN? (is that heresy ?).? Can anyone tell me the paint scheme (late in the SN's

existence) for MOW equipment?? I was thinking perhaps black or gray roof, Pullman green
body, and either black or the light green trucks like on the 1005...comments ?
? Thanks,
????? Dan Lee,? San Jose

?

?

?

Not sure how I came up with my ?bad info, but stay well anyway. I grew up in VA- Norfolk in particular; ?Fond memories, except for segregation.
? Cheers

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------ Original Message ------

From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
To: [email protected]
Sent: April 19, 2020 at 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SacNorthern] SN MOW paint scheme

Dan,

Thanks for your good wishes, but I live in Virginia. Still locked down though.

Yours Aye,

Garth

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM rrmaven <dan.shirleylee@...> wrote:

Garth,

My apologies for the slow response to your post. Once again, thanks for the good info:? I'm going to go with the

MW 300-302 paint scheme of pullman green body, moss green trucks, black roof.

I also have a model of the 1010 box motor? and am fgoing to paint it in the poppy orange scheme when I get it

tuned up.

I hope you all are staying well and doing OK with the health situation in the UK.? I'm sure there's lots of modeling

taking place in the US and UK while we're all in "lockdown".

Best regards,

? Dan Lee

? San Jose, CA

On April 15, 2020 at 3:38 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Dan,

The SN did not have any powered MW equipment, except for the three passenger motors that were transferred to MW after passenger service ended in 1942, MW 300-302. These cars retained their passenger paint scheme for many years: pullman green body, moss green trucks, black roof. In 1955 all three were stripped of their electrical gear by the WP, and was probably then that the bodies were repainted in WP's MOW light yellow-orange color.

I've often thought that the Suydam motor was a closer match to NE's original?freight motor 701 than any known PE equipment. Compare your model to Swett's CARS OF SACRAMENTO NORTHERN, page 37. IIRC, Suydam supplied this motor with distinctive?PE trucks, but the body was pure SN. Since the trucks on the SN would have partly been blocked by 3rd rail shoes, you could easily get away with using the model as-is. Unfortunately, 701 was scrapped in 1935, and so was rarely photographed.

NE 701 would have been painted "poppy orange" during the early days (NE freight motors were known as "yellow bellies" by their crews). This was the same body color used on passenger cars. I'm not sure if the?freight motors got the?terra cotta roofs (maybe) and window trim (less likely) used on passenger equipment. Poppy yellow could still be seen on the safety stripes of derelict motor?652 at the WRM until it was repainted for static display. Poppy orange always photographed as black, since orthochromatic films of the time weren't sensitive to oranges and yellows. Probably after 1920 when NE equipment was repainted by the Sacramento Northern Railroad, the body would actually have been black. Photos of the few wooden motors that survived into the Kodachrome era, particularly flat motor 405, show the paint WAS black.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff ??

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:02 AM rrmaven < dan.shirleylee@...> wrote:

I have a Suydam flat work motor - probably Pacific Electric- that I am restoring and plan to
paint for the SN? (is that heresy ?).? Can anyone tell me the paint scheme (late in the SN's

existence) for MOW equipment?? I was thinking perhaps black or gray roof, Pullman green
body, and either black or the light green trucks like on the 1005...comments ?
? Thanks,
????? Dan Lee,? San Jose

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