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Solar Panels on Bimini with Split Backstay


 

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While it often sounds like an infomercial, the latest video from Sailing Uma does have some information on solar panel construction and some innovative ideas from a new company. For those considering flexible panels, it is probably worth the 20 minutes or so to watch.




Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Apr 14, 2025, at 7:10?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:

Don’s photo of the dodger clearly shows why panels should be oriented fore and aft. In that photo if the panels were oriented athwartship both panels would be shaded with their production severely curtailed by the boom’s shadow. If they are aligned fore and aft, only one panel would be affected.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Apr 14, 2025, at 5:56?AM, Nauset Beach via groups.io <nausetbeach@...> wrote:

Hi Don,
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I have read some people have used 4 mm polycarbonate as a backing and asked Ocean Planet about it, even going to 6 mm. ?They said not to do it and further they would not honor a warranty [5 years] claim if any panel were placed across a support frame.? The reason being as Dave mentioned, the repeated flexing over a hard point can damage the cells and wiring connections.? The manual for Solbian SP panels actually warns against doing that:?
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“Canvas Installation - If installing on canvas, do not run any panels over a support bar. This was previously done with polycarbonate backing, but experience has shown that the solar panels can still be damaged by pressure from a crossbar.”??
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Using Starboard would probably flex less than polycarbonate, especially anchored to the support frame under the canvas.? I have only used 1” Starboard and that is not bending.? Would ?” Starboard adopt the various curves on top of the frame like the masonite?? Am not seeing how the zippers in the canvas to attach to the frame could be modified and still maintain adequate tension on the canvas across the full bimini frame.? [Possibly due to the coffee not kicking in yet.]? Would have thought having partial zippers vs. running the full length of the support frame would create uneven tension, but maybe not.??
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I looked at the Custom Marine but my fore / aft maximum length is 41”that will still fit inside the support frames, though that would go over the center support.??
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Please post more photos as your project progresses.??
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Thanks,
Brian
Escapade S426
CT / LIS
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?Oceans via?
Sent:?Sunday, April 13, 2025 10:08 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [SabreSailboat] Solar Panels on Bimini with Split Backstay
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?Brian,
Attached are the photos of my masonite templates for solar panel backing plate plates. ?Four photos show the templates mounted on top of the Bimini. ?Note the problems with gaps between the canvas and the template. ?One photo shows the template mounted under the Bimini and over the center ridge pipe, and one photo shows a template (simulating a solar panels) mounted directly over the backing plate under the Bimini in the previous photo. ?This is the plan I will use. ?The tech guy at Custom Marine Products thinks it’s an excellent idea and gave it his blessing, for whatever that’s worth. ?My local canvass guy likes it too, and says modification to the center pipe zipper can be done at reasonable cost.
As previously stated I plan to make the actual backing plates out of 1/4” StarBoard with the edges rounded off because I think it is much better suited to the marine environment. I will mount the backing plates and the panels with appropriate length 10x24 bolts a washers in the fashion of the bolt kit available through Custom Marine Products. ?I will also have some grommets and 2” squares of reinforcing canvass add to the bolt holes, again at minimal cost.
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River




 

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SV Arrow , S34/1
Campobello Island?


 

Brian,
Good point about the strength of a partial zipper support modification on the center ridge pipe of the Bimini. ?There is considerable strain on the existing zipper. ?I’m looking into possible 1” stainless pipe or some webbing to run in a vertical diagonal from the forward strut to the center ridge. ?I’ll update my posts as the project progresses.
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Dave,
The panels I am considering are the Custom Marine Products shade tolerant design. ?Each panel is internally wired as four separate panels with diodes in between. ?This should help not only over the dodger, but also the Bimini. ?I have a 24” pole mounted RADAR dome in on the port side of the stern quarter similar to you, and appreciate your comments about the shadowing while cruising in a northerly direction. ?I’m also hoping to get at least 50% of the 155W power on the dodger while underway, and plan to swing the boom out when at anchor for quite a bit more.

We’ll see how it goes…. ?John Sheehan of “Whimsey” (S-34T) corrected me during a different winter project he was kind enough to help me with. ?When I casually mentioned “plug & play”. ?He said, “You mean plug & pray.” ?
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River


 

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this will be my 3rd season with a CustomMarine Prod 145W & so far so good.? Probably what was 145 is now 155
Photo below is previous smaller panel but location is the same


On 4/18/2025 1:02 PM, Oceans via groups.io wrote:

Brian,
Good point about the strength of a partial zipper support modification on the center ridge pipe of the Bimini. ?There is considerable strain on the existing zipper. ?I’m looking into possible 1” stainless pipe or some webbing to run in a vertical diagonal from the forward strut to the center ridge. ?I’ll update my posts as the project progresses.
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Dave,
The panels I am considering are the Custom Marine Products shade tolerant design. ?Each panel is internally wired as four separate panels with diodes in between. ?This should help not only over the dodger, but also the Bimini. ?I have a 24” pole mounted RADAR dome in on the port side of the stern quarter similar to you, and appreciate your comments about the shadowing while cruising in a northerly direction. ?I’m also hoping to get at least 50% of the 155W power on the dodger while underway, and plan to swing the boom out when at anchor for quite a bit more.

We’ll see how it goes…. ?John Sheehan of “Whimsey” (S-34T) corrected me during a different winter project he was kind enough to help me with. ?When I casually mentioned “plug & play”. ?He said, “You mean plug & pray.” ?
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River


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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME


 

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Cruising means you have plenty of time to think about weighty issues. This past week I noticed the Victron controllers keep track of the amount of power produced over a lifetime, this would be a good way to assess the overall impact of the radar pole and dome. The port panel on Second Star, th.e on most affected has produced 192kWh and the Starboard panel has produced 213kWh. That is an overall loss of about 10% due to the pole.?

The loss is not evenly distributed. Somedays, there is no loss or a trivial amount, on other days the loss is quite significant, with the Starboard panel producing twice as much as the port panel.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Apr 18, 2025, at 1:02?PM, Oceans via groups.io <oceans100t@...> wrote:

Brian,
Good point about the strength of a partial zipper support modification on the center ridge pipe of the Bimini. ?There is considerable strain on the existing zipper. ?I’m looking into possible 1” stainless pipe or some webbing to run in a vertical diagonal from the forward strut to the center ridge. ?I’ll update my posts as the project progresses.
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Dave,
The panels I am considering are the Custom Marine Products shade tolerant design. ?Each panel is internally wired as four separate panels with diodes in between. ?This should help not only over the dodger, but also the Bimini. ?I have a 24” pole mounted RADAR dome in on the port side of the stern quarter similar to you, and appreciate your comments about the shadowing while cruising in a northerly direction. ?I’m also hoping to get at least 50% of the 155W power on the dodger while underway, and plan to swing the boom out when at anchor for quite a bit more.

We’ll see how it goes…. ?John Sheehan of “Whimsey” (S-34T) corrected me during a different winter project he was kind enough to help me with. ?When I casually mentioned “plug & play”. ?He said, “You mean plug & pray.” ?
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River