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Rebed 362 Stanchions


 

Has anyone rebed the stanchions on their 362? Based on moisture readings, I know some are leaking, and want to stop it soonest. How to access the outboard fasteners? What needs to be removed? Other considerations.?

Thanks

Ed
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

Just did two of ours a couple of weeks back. ?Best with two people. ? Wrench on the bottom, other person with a large flathead screwdriver up top. ?Easy peasy. ?The screws are long so it takes a bit.


 

Ed,

I rebedded one of my stanchions after I noticed some moisture in a cabinet following a rain storm.? The main challenge I ran into was getting a wrench on the nuts which were hidden behind the head liner.? In my case, this portion of the head liner was out of sight, I bored out corresponding holes in the liner large enough to get a socket wrench on the nuts.? From thereon, it was strait forward as Christopher indicates.? I rebedded the stanchion using butyl, which I believe many on this forum would also advocate using in this application.

If (when) I need to rebed a stanchion where the headliner is visible (i.e. were I don't want to drill unsightly holes), I intend to get some sort of universal joint or flexible driver to allow access the nut in that maddingly cramped space.? I'd be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience and how you solved the problem.

Good luck!
Mark
SV Hullabaloo
S-362 #266?


 

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With a mess of leaking stanchions, this job is on my to-do list. What I intend to do is use as ratcheting wrench with a flexible head like this one from Lowe’s: ??These can also be purchased individually in some places.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Mark Shaffer via <shaffer_mark_f@...> wrote:

Ed,

I rebedded one of my stanchions after I noticed some moisture in a cabinet following a rain storm.? The main challenge I ran into was getting a wrench on the nuts which were hidden behind the head liner.? In my case, this portion of the head liner was out of sight, I bored out corresponding holes in the liner large enough to get a socket wrench on the nuts.? From thereon, it was strait forward as Christopher indicates.? I rebedded the stanchion using butyl, which I believe many on this forum would also advocate using in this application.

If (when) I need to rebed a stanchion where the headliner is visible (i.e. were I don't want to drill unsightly holes), I intend to get some sort of universal joint or flexible driver to allow access the nut in that maddingly cramped space.? I'd be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience and how you solved the problem.

Good luck!
Mark
SV Hullabaloo
S-362 #266?



 

You can get plastic hole covers at Ace for?@$.25. That is what Sabre used on the fiberglass headliners.
Pete

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:19 AM Mark Shaffer via <shaffer_mark_f=[email protected]> wrote:

Ed,

I rebedded one of my stanchions after I noticed some moisture in a cabinet following a rain storm.? The main challenge I ran into was getting a wrench on the nuts which were hidden behind the head liner.? In my case, this portion of the head liner was out of sight, I bored out corresponding holes in the liner large enough to get a socket wrench on the nuts.? From thereon, it was strait forward as Christopher indicates.? I rebedded the stanchion using butyl, which I believe many on this forum would also advocate using in this application.

If (when) I need to rebed a stanchion where the headliner is visible (i.e. were I don't want to drill unsightly holes), I intend to get some sort of universal joint or flexible driver to allow access the nut in that maddingly cramped space.? I'd be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience and how you solved the problem.

Good luck!
Mark
SV Hullabaloo
S-362 #266?


 

Thanks Matt,

I would always use butyl tape for this application. The challenge is as you mention; getting the right combination of u-joints/bent wrenches on the bolts through the small "crack". I expect from prior experience on last boat that getting the nuts off is much easier than on. This is definitely a two person job, and will be frustrating in the dropping NE Ohio temperatures.

Has anyone removed the wall batten paneling to widen the access?
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

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I removed the wall batten behind the stove to gain access to the rub strake. It can be done. The panels will fit very tightly against the bulkheads and are a pain to pull out because they do not flex very much. The panels are just that panels, not individual pieces. The individual boards are connected with a layer (or 2?) of mat and polyester resin. This makes them very stiff. Before reinstalling the panel, I trimmed a little off each end and will hide the edges with the trim.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:

Thanks Matt,

I would always use butyl tape for this application. The challenge is as you mention; getting the right combination of u-joints/bent wrenches on the bolts through the small "crack". I expect from prior experience on last boat that getting the nuts off is much easier than on. This is definitely a two person job, and will be frustrating in the dropping NE Ohio temperatures.

Has anyone removed the wall batten paneling to widen the access?
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

By the way, all. I'm replacing a couple of bent/ugly stanchions and gate support due to PO accident. Very reasonable from?
The stanchion tubes are <$75 each. They have the drawings for the original stainless, and can make virtually anything custom.

Ed
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

Also,when you use butyl, countersink?the screw holes and put butyl around the screws and under the? head.? Per RC's guide.
Pete

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:33 AM David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:

I removed the wall batten behind the stove to gain access to the rub strake. It can be done. The panels will fit very tightly against the bulkheads and are a pain to pull out because they do not flex very much. The panels are just that panels, not individual pieces. The individual boards are connected with a layer (or 2?) of mat and polyester resin. This makes them very stiff. Before reinstalling the panel, I trimmed a little off each end and will hide the edges with the trim.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:

Thanks Matt,

I would always use butyl tape for this application. The challenge is as you mention; getting the right combination of u-joints/bent wrenches on the bolts through the small "crack". I expect from prior experience on last boat that getting the nuts off is much easier than on. This is definitely a two person job, and will be frustrating in the dropping NE Ohio temperatures.

Has anyone removed the wall batten paneling to widen the access?
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

Thanks Dave. Very helpful. I expected they had a backing, but not fiberglass. /Ed


On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:33, David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:

I removed the wall batten behind the stove to gain access to the rub strake. It can be done. The panels will fit very tightly against the bulkheads and are a pain to pull out because they do not flex very much. The panels are just that panels, not individual pieces. The individual boards are connected with a layer (or 2?) of mat and polyester resin. This makes them very stiff. Before reinstalling the panel, I trimmed a little off each end and will hide the edges with the trim.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:

Thanks Matt,

I would always use butyl tape for this application. The challenge is as you mention; getting the right combination of u-joints/bent wrenches on the bolts through the small "crack". I expect from prior experience on last boat that getting the nuts off is much easier than on. This is definitely a two person job, and will be frustrating in the dropping NE Ohio temperatures.

Has anyone removed the wall batten paneling to widen the access?
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

Thanks Pete. I always use RC's guides. Has anyone heard how he is recovering?


On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:36, Peter Tollini <sabre30@...> wrote:
Also,when you use butyl, countersink?the screw holes and put butyl around the screws and under the? head.? Per RC's guide.
Pete

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:33 AM David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:

I removed the wall batten behind the stove to gain access to the rub strake. It can be done. The panels will fit very tightly against the bulkheads and are a pain to pull out because they do not flex very much. The panels are just that panels, not individual pieces. The individual boards are connected with a layer (or 2?) of mat and polyester resin. This makes them very stiff. Before reinstalling the panel, I trimmed a little off each end and will hide the edges with the trim.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:

Thanks Matt,

I would always use butyl tape for this application. The challenge is as you mention; getting the right combination of u-joints/bent wrenches on the bolts through the small "crack". I expect from prior experience on last boat that getting the nuts off is much easier than on. This is definitely a two person job, and will be frustrating in the dropping NE Ohio temperatures.

Has anyone removed the wall batten paneling to widen the access?
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

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On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:

By the way, all. I'm replacing a couple of bent/ugly stanchions and gate support due to PO accident. Very reasonable from?
The stanchion tubes are <$75 each. They have the drawings for the original stainless, and can make virtually anything custom.

Ed
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

Thanks. I also intend to make use of my USB endoscope/borescope camera, which has proven priceless on the boat. Less than $20 on Amazon. The camera proved priceless when I rebedded my Catalina.


On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:28, David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:
With a mess of leaking stanchions, this job is on my to-do list. What I intend to do is use as ratcheting wrench with a flexible head like this one from Lowe’s: ??These can also be purchased individually in some places.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Mark Shaffer via <shaffer_mark_f@...> wrote:

Ed,

I rebedded one of my stanchions after I noticed some moisture in a cabinet following a rain storm.? The main challenge I ran into was getting a wrench on the nuts which were hidden behind the head liner.? In my case, this portion of the head liner was out of sight, I bored out corresponding holes in the liner large enough to get a socket wrench on the nuts.? From thereon, it was strait forward as Christopher indicates.? I rebedded the stanchion using butyl, which I believe many on this forum would also advocate using in this application.

If (when) I need to rebed a stanchion where the headliner is visible (i.e. were I don't want to drill unsightly holes), I intend to get some sort of universal joint or flexible driver to allow access the nut in that maddingly cramped space.? I'd be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience and how you solved the problem.

Good luck!
Mark
SV Hullabaloo
S-362 #266?



--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

I had Whitwater redo my good stanchions with rounded tops and welded in SS lifeline tubes.? Beautiful work and you can't tell the new from the old.
Pete

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:34 AM Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:
By the way, all. I'm replacing a couple of bent/ugly stanchions and gate support due to PO accident. Very reasonable from?
The stanchion tubes are <$75 each. They have the drawings for the original stainless, and can make virtually anything custom.

Ed
--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

Search on "Flex head ratcheting?box wrench"


On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:47 AM Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:
Thanks. I also intend to make use of my USB endoscope/borescope camera, which has proven priceless on the boat. Less than $20 on Amazon. The camera proved priceless when I rebedded my Catalina.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:28, David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:
With a mess of leaking stanchions, this job is on my to-do list. What I intend to do is use as ratcheting wrench with a flexible head like this one from Lowe’s: ??These can also be purchased individually in some places.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Mark Shaffer via <shaffer_mark_f@...> wrote:

Ed,

I rebedded one of my stanchions after I noticed some moisture in a cabinet following a rain storm.? The main challenge I ran into was getting a wrench on the nuts which were hidden behind the head liner.? In my case, this portion of the head liner was out of sight, I bored out corresponding holes in the liner large enough to get a socket wrench on the nuts.? From thereon, it was strait forward as Christopher indicates.? I rebedded the stanchion using butyl, which I believe many on this forum would also advocate using in this application.

If (when) I need to rebed a stanchion where the headliner is visible (i.e. were I don't want to drill unsightly holes), I intend to get some sort of universal joint or flexible driver to allow access the nut in that maddingly cramped space.? I'd be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience and how you solved the problem.

Good luck!
Mark
SV Hullabaloo
S-362 #266?



--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

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Wit hall this talk about rebidding the stanchions I’m wondering, Have any of you reached under the lip o the 362 and tightened the bolts in the deck hull seam? ?we did and it stopped a lot little leaks. ?BTW I didn't say it was easy. ???

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640









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On Oct 27, 2021, at 7:19 AM, Mark Shaffer via <shaffer_mark_f@...> wrote:

Ed,

I rebedded one of my stanchions after I noticed some moisture in a cabinet following a rain storm.? The main challenge I ran into was getting a wrench on the nuts which were hidden behind the head liner.? In my case, this portion of the head liner was out of sight, I bored out corresponding holes in the liner large enough to get a socket wrench on the nuts.? From thereon, it was strait forward as Christopher indicates.? I rebedded the stanchion using butyl, which I believe many on this forum would also advocate using in this application.

If (when) I need to rebed a stanchion where the headliner is visible (i.e. were I don't want to drill unsightly holes), I intend to get some sort of universal joint or flexible driver to allow access the nut in that maddingly cramped space.? I'd be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience and how you solved the problem.

Good luck!
Mark
SV Hullabaloo
S-362 #266?



 

Harbor Freight also sells them.
Decent price with a coupon.

Be sure whatever you Get That the overall length is not excessive. Limits their use in tight spaces which is their domain compared to thin wall 6 sided socket sets.

Lifesaver when installing my retractable bowsprit and traveler track nuts.

Have both metric and SAE sets.

John

Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone

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From: Peter Tollini
Date: Wed, Oct 27, 2021 10:53 AM
To: SabreSailboat@groups io;
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Subject:Re: [SabreSailboat] Rebed 362 Stanchions

Search on "Flex head ratcheting?box wrench"

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:47 AM Ed Bailey <ebaileywv@...> wrote:
Thanks. I also intend to make use of my USB endoscope/borescope camera, which has proven priceless on the boat. Less than $20 on Amazon. The camera proved priceless when I rebedded my Catalina.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 10:28, David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:
With a mess of leaking stanchions, this job is on my to-do list. What I intend to do is use as ratcheting wrench with a flexible head like this one from Lowe’s: ??These can also be purchased individually in some places.?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Mark Shaffer via <shaffer_mark_f@...> wrote:

Ed,

I rebedded one of my stanchions after I noticed some moisture in a cabinet following a rain storm.? The main challenge I ran into was getting a wrench on the nuts which were hidden behind the head liner.? In my case, this portion of the head liner was out of sight, I bored out corresponding holes in the liner large enough to get a socket wrench on the nuts.? From thereon, it was strait forward as Christopher indicates.? I rebedded the stanchion using butyl, which I believe many on this forum would also advocate using in this application.

If (when) I need to rebed a stanchion where the headliner is visible (i.e. were I don't want to drill unsightly holes), I intend to get some sort of universal joint or flexible driver to allow access the nut in that maddingly cramped space.? I'd be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience and how you solved the problem.

Good luck!
Mark
SV Hullabaloo
S-362 #266?



--
SV Enigma, Sabre 362 #199
Lake Erie @ Sandusky, OH


 

One of the flat head screws on a stanchion base on our 362 is loose/able to be turned and there is a bit of rust weep coming from under the base. It is the inboard aft screw of the forward stanchion at the starboard side gate. The forward inboard screw/nuts are visibly poking through just above the stove next to the aft cabin bulkhead. The aft screw is not visible. I tried removing a bit of nearby trim but no dice. I’m able to feel some of the through bolts for the toerail/outer sail track but can’t seem to locate the screw in question. The stanchion base doesn’t feel loose so I am considering just sealing with 3M4000UV and calling it good. Any help/advice appreciated as always
Rob McCarthy,
1995 #Sabre362 ?#362Sabre
hull 158 “Windhover”