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The Lewmar deck organizers on our 402 are in kind of sad shape. Sheaves are grooved, some of them are frozen, lots of corrosion on the aluminum upper part. Ideally, I’d like to replace those POS with ball bearing organizers from a reputable manufacturer (Lewmar doesn’t count as reputable, as far as I’m concerned) but don’t want to have to fill and drill for a slight mismatch in the bolt pattern. At a minimum, some of the sheaves are worn and need to be replaced… but Lewmar’s web site is a mess and I can’t figure out if those spares exist, or whether there are substitutes.

Have any other 402 owners refurbished or upgraded their deck organizers?

Thanks!
Dan
 

My understanding is that delrin sheaves are better for static loads than bb. Obviously depends on which sheave but organizers are largely static. And small.

On Mar 19, 2025, at 12:11?AM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:

?The Lewmar deck organizers on our 402 are in kind of sad shape. Sheaves are grooved, some of them are frozen, lots of corrosion on the aluminum upper part. Ideally, I’d like to replace those POS with ball bearing organizers from a reputable manufacturer (Lewmar doesn’t count as reputable, as far as I’m concerned) but don’t want to have to fill and drill for a slight mismatch in the bolt pattern. At a minimum, some of the sheaves are worn and need to be replaced… but Lewmar’s web site is a mess and I can’t figure out if those spares exist, or whether there are substitutes.

Have any other 402 owners refurbished or upgraded their deck organizers?

Thanks!
Dan



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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
 

My Lewmar block for my mainsheet was in sad shape.? I was able to obtain delrin bearings and thought it would be simple to disassemble and replace, especially after talking to a rigger.?I talked to Lewmar who also said disassembly was possible.?

Not so.? It was virtually impossible to completely disassemble and remove old bearings and replace with new.??
When I tried to source a replacement Lewmar was really disappointing on the customer service and product angle and I ultimately went to Harken.? Great bunch there.? Super helpful and accessible, and I'll have a new mainsheet block on my 402 this spring.??

Although my experience was not on deck blocks specifically,?but if you can refit with Harken with the same bolt patterns, that might be the way to go.? You can call them direct.? Customer service was good.


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Alan Pressman
Windswept S 34/402
Phone; 941-350-1559


On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 12:11?AM Dan Grossman via <ldg004=[email protected]> wrote:
The Lewmar deck organizers on our 402 are in kind of sad shape. Sheaves are grooved, some of them are frozen, lots of corrosion on the aluminum upper part. Ideally, I’d like to replace those POS with ball bearing organizers from a reputable manufacturer (Lewmar doesn’t count as reputable, as far as I’m concerned) but don’t want to have to fill and drill for a slight mismatch in the bolt pattern. At a minimum, some of the sheaves are worn and need to be replaced… but Lewmar’s web site is a mess and I can’t figure out if those spares exist, or whether there are substitutes.

Have any other 402 owners refurbished or upgraded their deck organizers?

Thanks!
Dan
 

There is a thread on this topic for S402s from Feb ‘21. I ended up going w Spinlock and coring, glassing, drilling and bedding 2 new deck organizers. I had to remove the ceiling strips but not the headliner. They are working great w no signs of wear. Here’s the link:
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SV/Blown Away S402
Cape Elizabeth, Maine
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I had to replace some sheaves on my orginisers and found the part numbers. I believe i ordered them from defender. I will try to dig up that info. Pretty sure I posted here about it. Hmm
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT
 

Here they are.
https://defender.com/en_us/lewmar-organizer-delrin-repl-sheave-15900496g?srsltid=AfmBOop1uobpmbz_0grjThz5xSfZDKkfa54k3Q5t2wRzw4oWcgxH1Mz1
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT
 

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 12:07 PM, Jim Gregory wrote:
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Sabre 402 #32
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Thanks Jim!? I didn't know that OEM replacements were available, since Lewmar's website is hopeless and Defender is not quite as bad. Ronstan also makes a ball bearing block that looks like it will fit, and might be worth using for the mainsheet.

I visited Sapphire yesterday, and it turns out that there were only a few sheaves in the port-side deck organizer that are frozen. I think maybe the best course would be to just take that one organizer apart and clean it up, and replace the sheaves that are worn out. The last thing I feel like doing is coring, filling and re-drilling for complete replacements... as well as sparing the budget.


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On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 12:07 PM, Jim Gregory wrote:
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Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT ?? ?
 

Dan I got the part number from Defender. Jim Kerney had purchased them, and I had to call up Defender and have them go through HIS orders to find the number. I doubt I could do that trick with the new and UN-improved Defender but who knows. I bought a complete set of them to have some spares on hand. The price seems to have about doubled since then if memory serves.
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Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT
 

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I bought six, for my 362, in 2021 from Fisheries Supply


On 3/20/2025 3:19 PM, Jim Gregory via groups.io wrote:

Dan I got the part number from Defender. Jim Kerney had purchased them, and I had to call up Defender and have them go through HIS orders to find the number. I doubt I could do that trick with the new and UN-improved Defender but who knows. I bought a complete set of them to have some spares on hand. The price seems to have about doubled since then if memory serves.
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT


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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
 

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Defender purged the old database a while back.?


Dave?



On Mar 20, 2025, at 3:31?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:

? I bought six, for my 362, in 2021 from Fisheries Supply
<Fisheries Supply Lewmar sheaves & Harken strops.jpg>


On 3/20/2025 3:19 PM, Jim Gregory via groups.io wrote:
Dan I got the part number from Defender. Jim Kerney had purchased them, and I had to call up Defender and have them go through HIS orders to find the number. I doubt I could do that trick with the new and UN-improved Defender but who knows. I bought a complete set of them to have some spares on hand. The price seems to have about doubled since then if memory serves.
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT


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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME

 

Hi Dan
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I replaced all the sheaves in my deck organizers ?a few years ago with sheaves from Zephyrwerks, they are far superior but expensive. Google them and you’ll find their website.
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Allan

Dagny
S402-59
 

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Thanks! I'll keep that option in my back pocket. I had thought that I could substitute a 1-1/2" sheave from Schaefer or Ronstan, but from the photos, the organizer appears to have bushings between the bolt and the sheave, while the potential replacements are drilled at 7/16" for the bolt. They were probably trying to keep the sheave from binding... which is exactly what two of them are doing.

On 3/21/2025 9:54 AM, Allan via groups.io wrote:

Hi Dan
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I replaced all the sheaves in my deck organizers ?a few years ago with sheaves from Zephyrwerks, they are far superior but expensive. Google them and you’ll find their website.
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Allan

Dagny
S402-59

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