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I am in the process of repairing the headliner in the main cabin of my 2001 Sabre 452. Much of the vinyl material has separated and there are many sags and bubbles. With a lot of previous help and feedback from previous posts on this forum I have gained enough information (and confidence) to start the project. All ceiling trim has now been removed, and I am taking down the 4-5 plywood pieces in the ceiling where the headliner is attached. I have purchased 3M adhesive #76 and #90. Glen Chaplin states Sabre uses (used?) 3M #90 for the headliner work in the factory.
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My question is: I am asking this forum if you know where I can purchase the headliner material: NAUGAHYDE VINYL, BRIGHT WHITE SF-79 (thanks to Glen Chaplin at Sabre for the info). The NAUGAHYDE is glued to an 1/8 layer of white dense foam which again is glued to the plywood. I have purchased the foam, but all the NAUGAHYDE vendors I have checked to date only sell wholesale.
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Also, as a backup, I am contemplating contacting an upholstery shop in the area (NY metro/NJ) to get some help with this project.?
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Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Jorgen Naess
2001 Sabre 452, VENTO
Winter: Mamaroneck, NY
Summer: Greenport, NY
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Sailrite seems to have it.
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Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 1, 2025, at 6:27?AM, Jorgen Naess via groups.io <joergen.naess@...> wrote:
I am in the process of repairing the headliner in the main cabin of my 2001 Sabre 452. Much of the vinyl material has separated and there are many sags and bubbles. With a lot of previous help and feedback from previous posts on this forum I have gained enough information (and confidence) to start the project. All ceiling trim has now been removed, and I am taking down the 4-5 plywood pieces in the ceiling where the headliner is attached. I have purchased 3M adhesive #76 and #90. Glen Chaplin states Sabre uses (used?) 3M #90 for the headliner work in the factory.
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My question is: I am asking this forum if you know where I can purchase the headliner material: NAUGAHYDE VINYL, BRIGHT WHITE SF-79 (thanks to Glen Chaplin at Sabre for the info). The NAUGAHYDE is glued to an 1/8 layer of white dense foam which again is glued to the plywood. I have purchased the foam, but all the NAUGAHYDE vendors I have checked to date only sell wholesale.
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Also, as a backup, I am contemplating contacting an upholstery shop in the area (NY metro/NJ) to get some help with this project.?
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Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Jorgen Naess
2001 Sabre 452, VENTO
Winter: Mamaroneck, NY
Summer: Greenport, NY
Jorgen - thanks for confirming Sabre used 3M Hi-Strength 90 on the headliners. It explains why the foam separated from the plywood substrate! Only the 3M Hi-Tack 76 is approved for bonding to polyethylene.
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I second Dave’s recommendation for using Sailrite. Excellent selection and DIY advice.?
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Jeff Boyle
Daystar S425 #79
Chicago, IL
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David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
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To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
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After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
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Wish me luck!
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Please don’t edit a post over and over.? Those of us on email get a new message for every edit — four so far and counting. ? Multiple messages are much worse than typos.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:55?PM Jorgen Naess via <joergen.naess= [email protected]> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
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To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
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After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
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Wish me luck!
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Being the queen of typos, I couldn’t agree more wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, it does mean the readers do need to learn another written language.?? Allison Lehman Swiftsure Yachts 510 912-5800 cell 510 860-4640 fax allisonleh@... ? ? ??
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On Apr 1, 2025, at 7:11?PM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
? Please don’t edit a post over and over.? Those of us on email get a new message for every edit — four so far and counting. ? Multiple messages are much worse than typos.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:55?PM Jorgen Naess via <joergen.naess= [email protected]> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
David, thank you so much for the advice!. This morning I purchased Naugahyde from Sailrite, they have a great selection. I am curious to see how close match the color of the new material (BRIGHT WHITE) is to my 24-year old Naugahyde.
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To gain some hands-on experience I will start with a few test-panels; a few pieces of plywood from Home Depot. First glue the 1/8" foam (purchased on Amazon - hope it can be used) onto the plywood and then glue the Naugahyde onto the foam. The trick is for how long to let the 3M 76 adhesive dry (on the 1/8" foam) before I roll the Naugahyde onto the foam. You only have one chance, as the 3M 76 adhesive sticks and grips right away. Pull off a misaligned or wrinkled first-try of the Naugahyde roll-on and the foam below rips (don't ask how I know).
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After I feel I have it figured out I replace the real headliner (and some of the foam where damaged) on the plywood panels removed from the ceiling of the boat.?
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Wish me luck!
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Hi Jorgen, You are absolutely correct regarding dry time for the adhesive. I think the adhesive recommends 3 or 4 minutes. I did this job 5 or 6 years ago, so I cannot remember the correct time.? Do not jump the gun and do it sooner than the recommended dry time or you will get bubbles (again, don't ask me how I know). Also use a rubber roller to smooth out the Naugahyde after you apply it. When you wrap around the long edge, use stainless steel staples to hold the Naugahyde in place. On the short edges, trim the Naugahyde about an 1/8" longer than the edge of the board to allow for any contraction. My headliner came out great, in fact the guy who owns the yard wanted to know if he could pay me to do other boats. I said no way since it was a labor of love and took a good deal of time.? Good luck with your project.
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I have started the headliner repair project on my S452. Naugahyde (vinyl) and 3M 76 adhesive has been purchased. I also bought some high density 1/8 foam for a few areas needing a full repair. I have removed most of the plywood ceiling panels from the main cabin. Planning to do the work at home.
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Also, to practice ahead of time I bought extra plywood. Today, after practicing, I am afraid the results do not look that good. I have decided I need professional help to complete this. As the headliner is a high-visibility item it needs to look great.
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So, question to the group; can anyone recommend a reputable boat/marine upholsterer somewhere in the NY Metro, CT or Long Island area? I am also actively searching as of this writing.
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Thank very much in advance!
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Jorgen Naess
2001 Sabre 452, VENTO
Winter: Mamaroneck, NY
Summer: Greenport, NY
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Jorgen I did a headliner many years ago and it is a huge amount of work. ?The few things I did we low density coat and spray adhesive we also used monel staples to attach to panels. ?If it is too big a job for you, try going to an auto upholstery shop Allison Lehman Swiftsure Yachts 510 912-5800 cell 510 860-4640 fax allisonleh@... ? ? ??
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On Apr 13, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Jorgen Naess via groups.io <joergen.naess@...> wrote:
? I have started the headliner repair project on my S452. Naugahyde (vinyl) and 3M 76 adhesive has been purchased. I also bought some high density 1/8 foam for a few areas needing a full repair. I have removed most of the plywood ceiling panels from the main cabin. Planning to do the work at home.
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Also, to practice ahead of time I bought extra plywood. Today, after practicing, I am afraid the results do not look that good. I have decided I need professional help to complete this. As the headliner is a high-visibility item it needs to look great.
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So, question to the group; can anyone recommend a reputable boat/marine upholsterer somewhere in the NY Metro, CT or Long Island area? I am also actively searching as of this writing.
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Thank very much in advance!
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Jorgen Naess
2001 Sabre 452, VENTO
Winter: Mamaroneck, NY
Summer: Greenport, NY
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Jorgen:
Allison’s comment reminded me of an upholstery shop that does custom work on classic & modern cars, has worked on boats, and does a fair amount of commercial & residential work. Try Carthom Upholstery Corp. in New Rochelle (at the entrance of
New Rochelle Municipal Marina). I used to winter there before the garage replacement project, and they had a variety of projects going on.
Good luck,
Franz Alvarez
S/V Tranquility, S38 MKII
A few boats down from you! ;-)
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Jorgen I did a headliner many years ago and it is a huge amount of work. ?The few things I did we low density coat and spray adhesive we also used monel staples to attach to panels. ?If it is too big a job for you, try going to an auto upholstery
shop
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
allisonleh@... ? ? ??
On Apr 13, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Jorgen Naess via groups.io <joergen.naess@...> wrote:
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I have started the headliner repair project on my S452. Naugahyde (vinyl) and 3M 76 adhesive has been purchased. I also bought some high density 1/8 foam for a few areas needing a full repair. I have removed most of the plywood ceiling panels from the
main cabin. Planning to do the work at home.
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Also, to practice ahead of time I bought extra plywood. Today, after practicing, I am afraid the results do not look that good. I have decided I need professional help to complete this. As the headliner is a high-visibility item it needs to look great.
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So, question to the group; can anyone recommend a reputable boat/marine upholsterer somewhere in the NY Metro, CT or Long Island area? I am also actively searching as of this writing.
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Thank very much in advance!
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Jorgen Naess
2001 Sabre 452, VENTO
Winter: Mamaroneck, NY
Summer: Greenport, NY
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
-- Franz Alvarez S/V Tranquility - S38MKII
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