That¡¯s a great idea Dave. ?As we all know it isn¡¯t really about how much water the tank holds but more about the "useable" amount of water it holds. ?
On a slightly different note something we have always done on all of our boats is we make an attachment of a piece of semi-flexible hose, usually about 1¡¯ length to an on/off valve. ?We store it in the pocket on inside the lazzarette lid. We don¡¯t really like to put a dirty hose into our fuel fill nor do we enjoy holding the hose to fill two tanks of water. This allows ups to put something into the fill that will stay there during the filling and we don¡¯t have to hold it in place, but it is clean. ?
We use something like this. ?It is semi flexible but rigid enough to keep it in the fill hole. We attach the valve to the hose ending. ?I forget if we use extra bits to make it match up. ?I would have to look at it.
On May 22, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
I had the same questions about tank size, so I bought a??like this one from Amazon. The V-Berth tank was 45 gallons, the starboard settee tank was 35 gallons and the hot water heater was 6 gallons for a total of 86 gallons. The meter not only answered my question, it now makes it easier to fill the tank, no more overfilling and with the flow meter we can better estimate the time it takes to fill the tank. There is a short piece of ?¡± hose attached to the shut off valve that fits in to the in the deck fill.
On May 22, 2025, at 2:25?PM, Capt. A Ground via groups.io <eddymayhem@...> wrote:
Hi,
Off the top of my head, I think my 362 carries about 78 gallons of water.? 29 gal. in the port tank, under settee.? 49 gal.? under the fwd berth.? Mine is a 1998.? ?My owners manual did not list capacities.
Yes, I have a j-hook on the mast.
Cheers,
Ted Mendham
Blue Pearl II
Quahog Bay, ME
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 9:58?AM Doug Snell via??<douglasbriansnell=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.? Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any photos would be appriciated.
?
Best Regards,
Doug Snell
S362 #137 "OZ"
South Portland Maine
-- Allison S426 Kingfisher SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
I had the same questions about tank size, so I bought a??like this one from Amazon. The V-Berth tank was 45 gallons, the starboard settee tank was 35 gallons and the hot water heater was 6 gallons for a total of 86 gallons. The meter not only answered my question, it now makes it easier to fill the tank, no more overfilling and with the flow meter we can better estimate the time it takes to fill the tank. There is a short piece of ?¡± hose attached to the shut off valve that fits in to the in the deck fill.
On May 22, 2025, at 2:25?PM, Capt. A Ground via groups.io <eddymayhem@...> wrote:
Hi,
Off the top of my head, I think my 362 carries about 78 gallons of water.? 29 gal. in the port tank, under settee.? 49 gal.? under the fwd berth.? Mine is a 1998.? ?My owners manual did not list capacities.
Yes, I have a j-hook on the mast.
Cheers,
Ted Mendham
Blue Pearl II
Quahog Bay, ME
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 9:58?AM Doug Snell via??<douglasbriansnell=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.? Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any photos would be appriciated.
Off the top of my head, I think my 362 carries about 78 gallons of water.? 29 gal. in the port tank, under settee.? 49 gal.? under the fwd berth.? Mine is a 1998.? ?My owners manual did not list capacities.
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 9:58?AM Doug Snell via <douglasbriansnell=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.? Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any photos would be appriciated.
if you remove the cover over the rudder post and ?quadrant plus the autopilot ram you can access them through the aft port cockpit locker. I¡¯m 6¡¯ and can get down in there once the items are removed.?
I had to change to drain hoses to satisfy a surveyor.
On May 22, 2025, at 12:05?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
?We were along the southwest coast for for 2 weeks in 2023, ?very wet year, and did not use the Dickinson propane fireplace?
Enjoyed swimming in the very warm brackish waters of the inner fjords.?
On May 22, 2025, at 11:56?AM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
?No additional systems. Nancy is getting anxious about the lack of heat but that¡¯s not in the cards. The enclosures are almost done, one more visit from the canvas man. The stove is installed along with the new 10lb. propane tank. Awaiting some s/s fabrications, one for the gimbal lock and one to extend the pipe guard back 2¡± so the new stove clears it when on port tack.?
Starlink mini hardwire is the final upgrade. Today I¡¯ll be checking the polarity of the barrel plug. I¡¯m wiring it to a spare breaker via a 24v voltage booster. Mounting bracket on the stern rail tested out OK for receiving the satellite signals. Jamie reports he can¡¯t use it underway but was fine when parked. Power draw is about 30w when powered up so we should be able to use it an hour or two a day without any issues.
Crew changes are all in place. Orientation for all will be in early June before departing on June 18. Shelburne/Halifax, pick up Nancy and her brother then on to Baddeck where we lose two crew and join the 4 boats that wintered over at Baddeck Maine. July 1 we depart for Newfoundland proper. July 31 we are scheduled to arrive in St. Pierre. Nancy will fly home. A third crewman arrives and we depart for Sydney Aug. 2. Two more crew will join in Halifax for the delivery home, looking at Aug. 16/17 for arrival.
A long cruise but should be fun.
Are you joining the MYC cruise to the St. John River?
Len Bertaux
On May 22, 2025, at 11:16?AM, Jim Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
Len, I will of course defer to a trained architect, but isn't the
load from the shrouds born the chain plates?? I will concede that
a flexing deck might damage the seal around the chain plates
leading to all sorts of nasty deck delamination, but I don't think
the polysulfide transmits much of the shroud load to the deck.
And how are your preparations for Newfoundland going?? Have you
found any more expensive systems to replace/upgrade?
On 5/22/2025 11:08 AM, Len Bertaux via
groups.io wrote:
Jim is close. The J hook keeps the deck from bowing upwards when
you tension the shrouds. Extremely important IMO so if yours is
missing replace it pronto. Loosen all your shrouds, tighten the J
hook with a modest torque, then retune the shrouds.
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On May 22, 2025, at 10:53?AM, Jim
Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
The J-hook keeps the deck from flexing upward from the
turning block load.? Simply put, you don't want your deck to
flex.
If you have a fitting on the mast below deck and a hole in
the aft part of the mast ring, Sabre clearly intended to for
one to be installed.
On 5/22/2025 9:58 AM, Doug Snell
via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them
in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a
S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger
just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not
believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.?
Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any
photos would be appriciated.
?
Best Regards,
Doug Snell
S362 #137 "OZ"
South Portland Maine
--
Jim Starkey, AmorphousDB, LLC
--
Jim Starkey
Shearwater
SW42, earlier S36
Manchester, Mass
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
--
Jim Starkey
Shearwater
SW42, earlier S36
Manchester, Mass
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
On May 22, 2025, at 11:56?AM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
?No additional systems. Nancy is getting anxious about the lack of heat but that¡¯s not in the cards. The enclosures are almost done, one more visit from the canvas man. The stove is installed along with the new 10lb. propane tank. Awaiting some s/s fabrications, one for the gimbal lock and one to extend the pipe guard back 2¡± so the new stove clears it when on port tack.?
Starlink mini hardwire is the final upgrade. Today I¡¯ll be checking the polarity of the barrel plug. I¡¯m wiring it to a spare breaker via a 24v voltage booster. Mounting bracket on the stern rail tested out OK for receiving the satellite signals. Jamie reports he can¡¯t use it underway but was fine when parked. Power draw is about 30w when powered up so we should be able to use it an hour or two a day without any issues.
Crew changes are all in place. Orientation for all will be in early June before departing on June 18. Shelburne/Halifax, pick up Nancy and her brother then on to Baddeck where we lose two crew and join the 4 boats that wintered over at Baddeck Maine. July 1 we depart for Newfoundland proper. July 31 we are scheduled to arrive in St. Pierre. Nancy will fly home. A third crewman arrives and we depart for Sydney Aug. 2. Two more crew will join in Halifax for the delivery home, looking at Aug. 16/17 for arrival.
A long cruise but should be fun.
Are you joining the MYC cruise to the St. John River?
Len Bertaux
On May 22, 2025, at 11:16?AM, Jim Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
Len, I will of course defer to a trained architect, but isn't the
load from the shrouds born the chain plates?? I will concede that
a flexing deck might damage the seal around the chain plates
leading to all sorts of nasty deck delamination, but I don't think
the polysulfide transmits much of the shroud load to the deck.
And how are your preparations for Newfoundland going?? Have you
found any more expensive systems to replace/upgrade?
On 5/22/2025 11:08 AM, Len Bertaux via
groups.io wrote:
Jim is close. The J hook keeps the deck from bowing upwards when
you tension the shrouds. Extremely important IMO so if yours is
missing replace it pronto. Loosen all your shrouds, tighten the J
hook with a modest torque, then retune the shrouds.
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On May 22, 2025, at 10:53?AM, Jim
Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
The J-hook keeps the deck from flexing upward from the
turning block load.? Simply put, you don't want your deck to
flex.
If you have a fitting on the mast below deck and a hole in
the aft part of the mast ring, Sabre clearly intended to for
one to be installed.
On 5/22/2025 9:58 AM, Doug Snell
via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them
in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a
S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger
just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not
believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.?
Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any
photos would be appriciated.
?
Best Regards,
Doug Snell
S362 #137 "OZ"
South Portland Maine
--
Jim Starkey, AmorphousDB, LLC
--
Jim Starkey
Shearwater
SW42, earlier S36
Manchester, Mass
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
--
Jim Starkey
Shearwater
SW42, earlier S36
Manchester, Mass
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
No additional systems. Nancy is getting anxious about the lack of heat but that¡¯s not in the cards. The enclosures are almost done, one more visit from the canvas man. The stove is installed along with the new 10lb. propane tank. Awaiting some s/s fabrications, one for the gimbal lock and one to extend the pipe guard back 2¡± so the new stove clears it when on port tack.?
Starlink mini hardwire is the final upgrade. Today I¡¯ll be checking the polarity of the barrel plug. I¡¯m wiring it to a spare breaker via a 24v voltage booster. Mounting bracket on the stern rail tested out OK for receiving the satellite signals. Jamie reports he can¡¯t use it underway but was fine when parked. Power draw is about 30w when powered up so we should be able to use it an hour or two a day without any issues.
Crew changes are all in place. Orientation for all will be in early June before departing on June 18. Shelburne/Halifax, pick up Nancy and her brother then on to Baddeck where we lose two crew and join the 4 boats that wintered over at Baddeck Maine. July 1 we depart for Newfoundland proper. July 31 we are scheduled to arrive in St. Pierre. Nancy will fly home. A third crewman arrives and we depart for Sydney Aug. 2. Two more crew will join in Halifax for the delivery home, looking at Aug. 16/17 for arrival.
A long cruise but should be fun.
Are you joining the MYC cruise to the St. John River?
On May 22, 2025, at 11:16?AM, Jim Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
Len, I will of course defer to a trained architect, but isn't the
load from the shrouds born the chain plates?? I will concede that
a flexing deck might damage the seal around the chain plates
leading to all sorts of nasty deck delamination, but I don't think
the polysulfide transmits much of the shroud load to the deck.
And how are your preparations for Newfoundland going?? Have you
found any more expensive systems to replace/upgrade?
On 5/22/2025 11:08 AM, Len Bertaux via
groups.io wrote:
Jim is close. The J hook keeps the deck from bowing upwards when
you tension the shrouds. Extremely important IMO so if yours is
missing replace it pronto. Loosen all your shrouds, tighten the J
hook with a modest torque, then retune the shrouds.
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On May 22, 2025, at 10:53?AM, Jim
Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
The J-hook keeps the deck from flexing upward from the
turning block load.? Simply put, you don't want your deck to
flex.
If you have a fitting on the mast below deck and a hole in
the aft part of the mast ring, Sabre clearly intended to for
one to be installed.
On 5/22/2025 9:58 AM, Doug Snell
via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them
in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a
S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger
just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not
believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.?
Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any
photos would be appriciated.
On May 22, 2025, at 11:08?AM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
Jim is close. The J hook keeps the deck from bowing upwards when you tension the shrouds. Extremely important IMO so if yours is missing replace it pronto. Loosen all your shrouds, tighten the J hook with a modest torque, then retune the shrouds.
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On May 22, 2025, at 10:53?AM, Jim Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
The J-hook keeps the deck from flexing upward from the turning block load.? Simply put, you don't want your deck to flex.
If you have a fitting on the mast below deck and a hole in the aft part of the mast ring, Sabre clearly intended to for one to be installed.
On 5/22/2025 9:58 AM, Doug Snell via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.? Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any photos would be appriciated.
Len, I will of course defer to a trained architect, but isn't the
load from the shrouds born the chain plates?? I will concede that
a flexing deck might damage the seal around the chain plates
leading to all sorts of nasty deck delamination, but I don't think
the polysulfide transmits much of the shroud load to the deck.
And how are your preparations for Newfoundland going?? Have you
found any more expensive systems to replace/upgrade?
On 5/22/2025 11:08 AM, Len Bertaux via
groups.io wrote:
Jim is close. The J hook keeps the deck from bowing upwards when
you tension the shrouds. Extremely important IMO so if yours is
missing replace it pronto. Loosen all your shrouds, tighten the J
hook with a modest torque, then retune the shrouds.
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On May 22, 2025, at 10:53?AM, Jim
Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
The J-hook keeps the deck from flexing upward from the
turning block load.? Simply put, you don't want your deck to
flex.
If you have a fitting on the mast below deck and a hole in
the aft part of the mast ring, Sabre clearly intended to for
one to be installed.
On 5/22/2025 9:58 AM, Doug Snell
via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them
in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a
S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger
just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not
believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.?
Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any
photos would be appriciated.
Jim is close. The J hook keeps the deck from bowing upwards when you tension the shrouds. Extremely important IMO so if yours is missing replace it pronto. Loosen all your shrouds, tighten the J hook with a modest torque, then retune the shrouds.
On May 22, 2025, at 10:53?AM, Jim Starkey <jim@...> wrote:
?
The J-hook keeps the deck from flexing upward from the turning
block load.? Simply put, you don't want your deck to flex.
If you have a fitting on the mast below deck and a hole in the
aft part of the mast ring, Sabre clearly intended to for one to be
installed.
On 5/22/2025 9:58 AM, Doug Snell via
groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them in
the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger just
called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not believe I ever
had one from the time of purchase in 2021.? Any thoughts on
sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any photos would be
appriciated.
The J-hook keeps the deck from flexing upward from the turning
block load.? Simply put, you don't want your deck to flex.
If you have a fitting on the mast below deck and a hole in the
aft part of the mast ring, Sabre clearly intended to for one to be
installed.
On 5/22/2025 9:58 AM, Doug Snell via
groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
?
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them in
the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger just
called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not believe I ever
had one from the time of purchase in 2021.? Any thoughts on
sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any photos would be
appriciated.
I have a spare J-Hook from our 38MKI.? Don't ask me why.? I can measure it and take pictures.? Happy to make you a good deal.? I would say "free", but I paid dearly for the second one.
Dave
Orion, '87 38MKI #99
Toms River, NJ
On Thursday, May 22, 2025 at 09:09:05 AM CDT, Scott Shucher via groups.io <scotts87@...> wrote:
The port tank holds approx 29 gallons. ?The bow tank holds about 47 gallons. ?The Sabre specs state that the tanks combined hold 87 gallons.
?
Our 362 does have a J hook. ?My understanding is (and I could be wrong, so someone correct me if I am) that the j-hook should keep the mast in the boat in the case of a rollover/capsize.
?
--
Scott Shucher Quintessa ?'98 Sabre 362 #200 South Yarmouth, MA
The port tank holds approx 29 gallons. ?The bow tank holds about 47 gallons. ?The Sabre specs state that the tanks combined hold 87 gallons.
?
Our 362 does have a J hook. ?My understanding is (and I could be wrong, so someone correct me if I am) that the j-hook should keep the mast in the boat in the case of a rollover/capsize.
?
--
Scott Shucher Quintessa ?'98 Sabre 362 #200 South Yarmouth, MA
I looked for these answers, but was unable to find them in the archives.??
?
1) what are the volumes of the two water tanks in a S362?
?
2) does everyone use a j-hook on their mast?? My rigger just called to tell me mine is missing, yet I do not believe I ever had one from the time of purchase in 2021.? Any thoughts on sailing with and without a j-hook?? Any photos would be appriciated.
I found water and holding tank gaskets at my local hardware store. They are a 3-1/2" i.d. what I didn't realize was pump out, water, and fuel are all different sizes.?
Christopher M. Evans Mobile: 412-901-4752 Landline: 804-453-3020
On Sat, May 17, 2025, 9:10?AM Joe Cleary via <jrc122=[email protected]> wrote:
I have about a dozen go-to suppliers mostly from suggestions on this forum. For me, Grainger's niche is fairly routine items, but items where I need to match sizes, threads, materials, etc.. I have a few locations between me and the boat where I can pick up orders. Their website is very detailed on specs, and it shows availability, usually same day or next morning pick-up.