There is a difference between soliciting business and letting people know what business you are in. It is perfectly fine to have your business indicated in your signature, Allison, Allan, and James area contributors come to mind as examples. To the best of my knowledge, none of the three have ever said words to the effect of ¡°call me if you want to sell your boat or get a divorce.¡± All three have at various times offered valuable information about their business that has been helpful to members.
The kind of statements I listed in a previous post, come pretty close to the soliciting business that is not acceptable. I am the administrator of a pretty large sailing forum, those statements that sailing forum would get the post deleted, repeated violations would get the member a temporary or permanent suspension. I¡¯m not implying that Jordan should be banned or suspended, or the post deleted, I¡±m only providing that as context. Soliciting business in a sailing forum is generally frowned upon.?
This forum is self-regulated, i.e., the members define the standards and the members provide direction for how to comply with the standards. It has worked pretty well for the 25 years I¡¯ve been here.?
I hope this is helpful for the newer members, it is not intended to punishing or shaming, just guidance on the community¡¯s expectations.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Mar 1, 2025, at 2:21?AM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Tim, I hope you noticed I spoke fairly gently about this. I agree with you Jordan appears to be offering free information and that¡¯s quite nice and helpful to many owners including myself. I just wanted to remind him that we as ¡°Marine professionals¡° have to be very careful How we word things as some people do get upset if they think we are trying to sell our wares.?Jordan, I hope you didn¡¯t take offense to what I said, as I do value what you offer from one owner to another with a slightly different focus than mine.
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
On Feb 28, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Tim Rivard via groups.io <tarivard@...> wrote:
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I find it challenging to understand why its such an issue when an owner can help another owner with a project offer sound advice based on their expertise.
I don't think anyone of us follow this thread as a marketing tool but to learn from each other.? And to work with each other if it is favorable to both parties.
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I met Jordan prior as I inquired about the Sabre 38 that they had for sale.? He was super helpful.
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As a result, I learned about his part time obsession with sailing and electronics/electrical equipment.? We have had many phone conversations on many topics.
I think he may just be a bigger sailing/techie geek than I am.? Refreshing actually!
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I have been working on my refit for a year now and many on this thread have been super helpful with private emails, pictures of installs, good sound advice etc.
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Jordan has been a key part of my new electronics choices including volunteering to draw up circuits, a list of equipment I should consider (need) all based on his experience.
He has always made it clear that he would not take any offense (with an "s") if I decided not to work with him.
This is far more valuable than internet searches, west marine visits etc.? I think we should not dismiss the expertise right in front of us because we are worried about "soliciting"
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From a big picture stand point, there are a handful of people who frequent this site for advice.? Let's offer it to each other and not take offence that one of us might be able to help.
I am sure there are many in this crowd who have some awesome advice to share.? (Stephanie - you have been a great motivator!)
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Maybe someday I may need a broker, divorce lawyer, electronics expert, or a secret trick to some thingymajig etc.
Perhaps I may be able to find one with someone that I have exchanged conversations with, built some trust and have confidence in because they are in my circle.
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Blatant "Sales and Marketing" should not be accepted; I agree.? This is not meant to be that in any way.? But, let's be more open minded about reaching out to our fellow sailors and seek advice.
We always have the prerogative to make our own decisions.? We can take it or leave it.
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Tim R
38MK II in refit
