Re: Nylatron Pilot Bearing thrust washer dimensions
WOW. For a small box, that is incredible, but understandable given the cost of jet fuel these days. Plus, I’ve heard that Steve doesn’t really like us Yanks, so don’t go out of his way to find cheap ways to send stuff, or rushes to send our stuff. ? Bill ?
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From: [email protected] <> On Behalf Of palmer.jeff@... Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 8:48 PM To: Bill Galbraith <Lotus@...>; [email protected]Subject: Re: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Nylatron Pilot Bearing thrust washer dimensions ? Seems that shipping costs have increased substantially from SJ as well. I have a shipment in transit for various small stuff in the amount of $265 with shipping costs of $165.?? Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Galbraith <Lotus@...> Date: 7/29/22 3:16 PM (GMT-08:00) Subject: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Nylatron Pilot Bearing thrust washer dimensions I just paid $21.49 each from a US Lotus parts supplier for the Nylatron pilot bearing thrust washer, A079F4029F. Price at SJ was $7 plus shipping, but the wait could be a couple weeks. ? I am NOT encouraging using something besides the original spec item, as Nylatron is a special nylon filled with molybdenum disulfide lubricant powder. Still, if you don’t want to pay the $28 (with shipping) and wait several days and were going to install it without a washer, you might consider using a nylon washer of a similar size. ? ID????? ????????? 0.58”????????? 14.7 mm OD??? ????????? 0.88”????????? 22.2 mm Thick????????? 0.15”????????? 3.85 mm ? I checked online, at McMaster-Carr and a couple other places, but did not find anything close to that size in Nylatron. ? Still, nice to have dimensions in case the supply of them dries up. I’ll be adding this to my parts manual. ? Bill
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Re: Nylatron Pilot Bearing thrust washer dimensions
Seems that shipping costs have increased substantially from SJ as well. I have a shipment in transit for various small stuff in the amount of $265 with shipping costs of $165.?? Jeff?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Bill Galbraith <Lotus@...> Date: 7/29/22 3:16 PM (GMT-08:00) Subject: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Nylatron Pilot Bearing thrust washer dimensions
I just paid $21.49 each from a US Lotus parts supplier for the Nylatron pilot bearing thrust washer, A079F4029F. Price at SJ was $7 plus shipping, but the wait could be a couple weeks. ? I am NOT encouraging using something besides the original spec item, as Nylatron is a special nylon filled with molybdenum disulfide lubricant powder. Still, if you don’t want to pay the $28 (with shipping) and wait several days and were going to install it without a washer, you might consider using a nylon washer of a similar size. ? ID????? ????????? 0.58”????????? 14.7 mm OD??? ????????? 0.88”????????? 22.2 mm Thick????????? 0.15”????????? 3.85 mm ? I checked online, at McMaster-Carr and a couple other places, but did not find anything close to that size in Nylatron. ? Still, nice to have dimensions in case the supply of them dries up. I’ll be adding this to my parts manual. ? Bill
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Nylatron Pilot Bearing thrust washer dimensions
I just paid $21.49 each from a US Lotus parts supplier for the Nylatron pilot bearing thrust washer, A079F4029F. Price at SJ was $7 plus shipping, but the wait could be a couple weeks. ? I am NOT encouraging using something besides the original spec item, as Nylatron is a special nylon filled with molybdenum disulfide lubricant powder. Still, if you don’t want to pay the $28 (with shipping) and wait several days and were going to install it without a washer, you might consider using a nylon washer of a similar size. ? ID????? ????????? 0.58”????????? 14.7 mm OD??? ????????? 0.88”????????? 22.2 mm Thick????????? 0.15”????????? 3.85 mm ? I checked online, at McMaster-Carr and a couple other places, but did not find anything close to that size in Nylatron. ? Still, nice to have dimensions in case the supply of them dries up. I’ll be adding this to my parts manual. ? Bill
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Oil pressure tester/gauge adapter
Hello all,
I'd like to know best way to test oil pressure in my 907 engine.? In particular, I have a oil pressure tester/gauge but need to know best place to access oil pressure and size of fittings to make an adapter.? So far, I have attempted to access pressure via the fitting that leads from the engine block to the oil pressure sending unit (small black tube), but the fitting seems not normal as I have unsuccessfully tried to attach every fitting available in my Lotus random parts bin.? Anyway, if you have made an adapter to attach to the engine and generic oil pressure gauge, please send pic or let me know the type/size of that odd little fitting.
Thanks,
Jeff
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I just installed a 123 distributor in an 84 Turbo Esprit. I haven’t run it yet so my opinion so far is based on installation and setup. It’s on the pricier end but it is a complete new distributor. It doesn’t look stock if that’s important to you. Installation and setup was easy. I got the fully programmable one with Bluetooth because I’m planning on developing a timing curve for the turbo engine using the pressure sensing port but programming for the NA car would be much easier, with or without vacuum advance. The base model comes with something like 10 preset programs and I expect one of them would be fine for the Esprit but I didn’t look that closely at them. The intermediate model is programmable with a USB cord and the top model is programmable with Bluetooth. If you buy it from Barry Spencer he will program it for too if you like. It seems like a nice piece but I worry about anything with a computer interface whether usb or Bluetooth falling behind technology in another 20 years. I struggle to get a laptop to talk to freescan for the later cars with the GM engine management.
If you want to keep it looking stock then the Pertronics is completely hidden. The basic igniter is prone to failure but the igniter II and III are better and have better self protection. They are simple plug and play too which is nice.
Pertronics was The best thing I ever did to my series one but it started out with points so it had plenty of room for improvement.
Dave C
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On Jul 26, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Tim Engel <TSEngel@...> wrote:
?I've had three Lumenition systems fry, and I'm not a big fan or Pertronix. I wouldn't buy another of either one... just my opinions.
My Favorite was the Crane XR700 (XR3000 is more of the same). Crane sold the product line, and it's now made by FAST (Fuel Air Spark Technology)... but it's the same bullet proof system.
The Pertronix Ignitor installs inside the distributor, where they're out of sight. That also means they get no cooling, which can lead to problems. Especially for the basic Ignitor.
The XR700/ XR3000 amplifiers are in finned aluminum housings, and are mounted outside the distributor. In my Esprit S2, I ran the wiring out of the engine bay, into the rear boot area, and mounted it on the front face of the right wheel arch. Away from all the engine heat.
I used to run a hot coil, and rev the engine high during autocross runs, and nothing I could do would botherthe XR700 amplifier one bit. If I were shopping for another electronic ignition system, it would be either another XR700, or an MSD 6AL. The Esprit's Smiths tach was fine with the XR700, but my Europa's Smiths tach doesn't work with the MSD that's currently installed. The MSD is a great system, but it's not compatible with Smiths tachs. They make a tach adapter, but it's extra cost on top of a system that's already rather expensive.
Fast makes several variations of the XR700. The link is for the one that's meant for Lucas distributors.
Later,
Tim
07/24/2022 8:50 AM Rich Flowers <richnpeg@...> wrote:
Thinking about upgrading my 79 S2 Lumenition ignition. Is there a consensus on what to replace it with? Or should I keep it?
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'79 JPS #040
'95 S4s ...SHF63000
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Great. That conversation was 2 years ago. I bought the FAST system, and it has been sitting on my bench waiting to be installed. Bigger problems came up, and cars, boats, and trailers came and went. It’s working it’s way back up the To Do list though?? ? ?
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Re: Camshafts and/or Pulleys for sale
Ian,
Lotusbits in the UK lists a used E-cam for ?50. However, the parts listed on their website are examples, and being listed doesn't mean thay have it in stock. They're not good at returning email messages, so call and talk with them.
Scroll down on the following page to the E-cam listing:
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Tim Engel
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I've had three Lumenition systems fry, and I'm not a big fan or Pertronix. I wouldn't buy another of either one... just my opinions.
My Favorite was the Crane XR700 (XR3000 is more of the same). Crane sold the product line, and it's now made by FAST (Fuel Air Spark Technology)... but it's the same bullet proof system.
The Pertronix Ignitor installs inside the distributor, where they're out of sight. That also means they get no cooling, which can lead to problems. Especially for the basic Ignitor.
The XR700/ XR3000 amplifiers are in finned aluminum housings, and are mounted outside the distributor. In my Esprit S2, I ran the wiring out of the engine bay, into the rear boot area, and mounted it on the front face of the right wheel arch. Away from all the engine heat.
I used to run a hot coil, and rev the engine high during autocross runs, and nothing I could do would botherthe XR700 amplifier one bit. If I were shopping for another electronic ignition system, it would be either another XR700, or an MSD 6AL. The Esprit's Smiths tach was fine with the XR700, but my Europa's Smiths tach doesn't work with the MSD that's currently installed. The MSD is a great system, but it's not compatible with Smiths tachs. They make a tach adapter, but it's extra cost on top of a system that's already rather expensive.
Fast makes several variations of the XR700. The link is for the one that's meant for Lucas distributors.
Later,
Tim
07/24/2022 8:50 AM Rich Flowers <richnpeg@...> wrote:
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Re: Camshafts and/or Pulleys for sale
Dave,
I would be very interested in reading the results of your
investigation.? At $70.00 each this could solve a bunch of issues
some of us are having without breaking the bank.
Ian.
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Sorry, no.? I was referring to the hump in the doghouse between the 2 chrome latches.
However, just went and looked at mine and realized mine was the same and but never noticed it.
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Re: Is the timing belt an engine-out procedure?
TYPO... darn it.
I wrote:
The standard Z-S only includes one.
I meant to write:
The standard Z-S REBUILD KIT only includes one.
Sorry about any confusion.
Regards,
Tim Engel
07/25/2022, 10:09AM, Tim Engel <TSEngel@...> wrote:
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The standard Z-S only includes one. You have to order the second one separately, and the shop's quote doesn't indicate whether or not they did that.
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Re: Camshafts and/or Pulleys for sale
SJ Sportscars has some Competition cam pulleys that have 5 keyways for different timing variations. With 5 keyways and the ability to run the pulley on 2 sides you have 10 different timing options for every pulley tooth. With each tooth being 18 degrees of crank timing, that should give you 1.8deg steps for timing, however I don't know how they divided it up. I would have done it in 1.8 MOP steps but the may be built with smaller increments around some specific timing, I cant find anybody who knows. I just ordered one to experiment with. The catch is they are completely unmarked. I’ll measure it and see what timing options are available on it and report back. The good news it these pulleys are pretty cheap. Like $69ea instead of over $300 for an adjustable. If one of the settings will work then it is an easy matter for me to mark it for that setting so it is easier to use for a specific application. I’ll have an answer in a couple of weeks.
Dave C
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On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Tim Engel <TSEngel@...> wrote:
?Ian,
Timing dots (drill points) filled with paint was a Lotus thing, and the Jensen-Healey didn't use it. They used a line/groove cut radially across the pulley rim for a timing mark, and engraved the MOP number on the pulley center-web, near the timing mark. No paint color. Asking them what COLOR MOP the pulley is will just get you a blank stare in return.
Jensen-Healey's all used C-cams. The MOPs were:
115 MOP Up through engine number 4030.
110 MOP from engine number 4030 onward.
In North America only, from engine number 10480 onward.
100 MOP on the Intake
110 MOP on the Exhaust.
By this time (1976), the J-H and Lotus 49-State versions of the 907 were the same, and the late Lotus Federal 907 also used this same 100 IN / 110 EX cam timing. It doesn't matter where you get the parts... you do not want this timing! It guts/ neuters the 907, and this config (along with the lean fuel mixture and lame ignition timing) is the source of the unkind "Gutless Wonder" saying. Not all 907s were gutless... only this last, Federal emissions 100/110 version.
Early 100 Blue dot pulleys were a true 100 MOP, but it didn't last long.
.The later 100 Blue dot/ 110 Red dot "DUAL MOP" pulleys 'cheated' the Blue dot to 97 MOP in order for it to fit on the same pulley with the 110 Red dot.
The 115 (no color),
110 Red, and
100 Blue/110 Red dual MOP pulleys
all contain 110 MOP on the pulley. If it's not marked (as on the 115) You just need to know where to find it... but it's there. IF you find one of them from a Jensen-Healey vendor, I can show you where the 110 MOP red dot is... or should be.
But when you speak with a J-H vendor, inquire about an MOP... not a dot color.
Layered on top of all of that is the question of MOP accuracy. Is the MOP pulley you find really the MOP that is marked on it. If you have the means to accurately measure the keyway location in the bore, some pulleys are clearly not the MOP that is marked on them. Oh fun...
Regards,
Tim Engel
07/25/2022, 7:19AM, webdudeca <webdudeca@...> wrote:
Tim,
I guess the obvious way forward then (assuming I can find a suitable red dot pulley) is to simply install the new pulley on the exhaust camshaft and see what that feels like. That seems a harder task than I expected. There are J-H pulleys listed out there but the vendors cannot confirm they are red dots so I am hesitating given your cautionary notes on the various versions that are out there.
Thanks again for your wisdom on this.
Ian.
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Ian,
Timing dots (drill points) filled with paint was a Lotus thing, and the Jensen-Healey didn't use it. They used a line/groove cut radially across the pulley rim for a timing mark, and engraved the MOP number on the pulley center-web, near the timing mark. No paint color. Asking them what COLOR MOP the pulley is will just get you a blank stare in return.
Jensen-Healey's all used C-cams. The MOPs were:
115 MOP Up through engine number 4030.
110 MOP from engine number 4030 onward.
In North America only, from engine number 10480 onward.
100 MOP on the Intake
110 MOP on the Exhaust.
By this time (1976), the J-H and Lotus 49-State versions of the 907 were the same, and the late Lotus Federal 907 also used this same 100 IN / 110 EX cam timing. It doesn't matter where you get the parts... you do not want this timing! It guts/ neuters the 907, and this config (along with the lean fuel mixture and lame ignition timing) is the source of the unkind "Gutless Wonder" saying. Not all 907s were gutless... only this last, Federal emissions 100/110 version.
Early 100 Blue dot pulleys were a true 100 MOP, but it didn't last long.
.The later 100 Blue dot/ 110 Red dot "DUAL MOP" pulleys 'cheated' the Blue dot to 97 MOP in order for it to fit on the same pulley with the 110 Red dot.
The 115 (no color),
110 Red, and
100 Blue/110 Red dual MOP pulleys
all contain 110 MOP on the pulley. If it's not marked (as on the 115) You just need to know where to find it... but it's there. IF you find one of them from a Jensen-Healey vendor, I can show you where the 110 MOP red dot is... or should be.
But when you speak with a J-H vendor, inquire about an MOP... not a dot color.
Layered on top of all of that is the question of MOP accuracy. Is the MOP pulley you find really the MOP that is marked on it. If you have the means to accurately measure the keyway location in the bore, some pulleys are clearly not the MOP that is marked on them. Oh fun...
Regards,
Tim Engel
07/25/2022, 7:19AM, webdudeca <webdudeca@...> wrote:
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Tim,
I guess the obvious way forward then (assuming I can find a suitable red dot pulley) is to simply install the new pulley on the exhaust camshaft and see what that feels like. That seems a harder task than I expected. There are J-H pulleys listed out there but the vendors cannot confirm they are red dots so I am hesitating given your cautionary notes on the various versions that are out there.
Thanks again for your wisdom on this.
Ian.
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Re: Is the timing belt an engine-out procedure?
Toaph ? - Engine removal – Brace yourself for this one, but THEY ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY. Maybe they need to watch my video to see how easy it is to do in place. If you are replacing all the coolant hoses, that job is much simpler without that lump in the way. Replace all the fuel hoses at the same time.
- Leaking carbs – Yes, that is probably a good statement. Unless it is leaking from the banjo bolt where the fuel line attach to the carbs, “the carbs” is a good statement for where they are leaking.
? Since you want them to check the alternator, it is removed during the timing belt installation, so it’s a good time to check the output. If you need a new one, they are available rewound to provide up to 110 amps in the same case, whereas the original was considerable less than that. ? I see that you are trying to get the most out of the engine. I don’t think that you have smog checks in NY, and if you don’t, you might consider replaced the Stomberg carbs with Dellortos. It’s going to be pricey, because you have to replace the intake manifold as well. My guess would be $1200-$1500 for intake manifold and carbs. Factory rating for the Domestic (UK) cars with Dellortos is 160 hp (also running a different timing), Federal with Stombergs is only 140 HP, which use a retarded timing. If you REALLY want to get fancy, the steel fuel line is different between the Domestic and Federal cars. On the UK cars, the fuel line comes up to the carbs near the front of the engine. In the Federal cars with Stombergs, it comes up from the rear, so when most people in the US put Dellortos on their cars, they still have the fuel lines entering from the rear of the engine. Not a huge difference, and only good for 10 HP or so (okay, calm down. I’m kidding). ? Bill ? ?
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From: [email protected] <> On Behalf Of Toaph via groups.io Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 9:53 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected]Subject: Re: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Is the timing belt an engine-out procedure? ? Quick update.? I just got off the phone with their front office guy.? He admitted that it's possible to replace the timing belt without removing the engine, but they prefer to do it the other way.? He had also mentioned in our previous conversation that the carbs were "leaking."? I asked where the leak was coming from, and he said, "The carbs."? My confidence has dropped below zero.? I'm not going to even let these guys check the timing.? Game over.? They're off my list for good. On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 09:29:01 AM EDT, Toaph via groups.io <toaph@...> wrote: Thanks to everyone who replied, especially Bill with the link to the video, and Tim for all the details.? I'm not sure how email attachments work on groups.io, but I tried attaching
my statement of work and their estimate for those who are interested.? In the past I've gone to this shop for some miscellaneous, relatively minor things on a couple of my cars, and they did a fine job.? If anything my complaint was they weren't thorough enough.? I don't know if they've gone through some changes, or if this was just an isolated bad experience.? I'm going to have them tune the carbs and set the timing to the best of their ability and leave it at that.? I will NOT be signing up for the $10K package. On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 01:32:15 PM EDT, Tim Engel <tsengel@...> wrote: The engine DOES NOT have to come out in order to replace the timing belt and tensioner bearing.? ?In my Esprit S2, I could replace both the belt & bearing in 3.0 hours with the engine IN the Esprit.? ?My record in a front-engined Eclat is 45 minutes for the timing belt only.? ?In general, replacing the tensioner bearing adds about 15 minutes to the task.
According to Lotus' Flat Rate Labor Manual, the time to accomplish the following tasks is...
ADJUST Timing Belt Tension (including setting cam timing):
0.8 hr = Esprit S1,? ?or? ?1.1 hr = Esprit S2
REPLACE Timing Belt (including setting cam timing & tensioning):
2.8 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
REPLACE (plug & play) Timing Belt Tensioner (eccentric).
2.5 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
REPLACE (plug & play) Timing Belt Tensioner (semi-automatic).
3.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
ADD the following time to both of the above IF the tensioner bearing is replaced
0.3 hr?= Esprit S1 & S2
CHECK Valve Clearances:
1.1 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
ADJUST (ie, shim) Valve Clearances:
4.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
Remove & Replace Engine & Gearbox Ass'y:
9.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
My experience is that it takes about
3.5 hours to put the engine on the floor, and...
5.5 hours to install the engine.
9.0 billable hoiurs, and they have not yet accomplished one single thing that was on your work order.
My best advice... do NOT do business with that shop.? ?They're scamming you/ padding the bill.? ?Removing the engine first is only easier/ faster 'IF' you ignore the amount of time and effort required to remove & replace the engine.? ?In general, you (or the mechanic) CAN NOT save enough time doing the above tasks on the engine out of the car to offset the time and effort (grief, pain, etc) required to remove & replace the engine !!
What is the name and address of the shop that insists upon removing the engine first.? ?Every Lotus owner living near you should be aware.
Regards,
Tim Engel
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Re: Is the timing belt an engine-out procedure?
Toaph,
That shop is off your list... I get it.
But just a different note after reviewing their quotation...
The Zenith-Stromberg 'choke' (enrichment device) requires two gaskets.
1) One internal for it's own rebuild, and
2) One between it and the carb body to install it on the carb.
Omitting either one results in a fuel leak.
The standard Z-S only includes one. You have to order the second one separately, and the shop's quote doesn't indicate whether or not they did that.
Regards,
Tim Engel
07/25/2022, 8:53AM, Toaph <toaph@...> wrote:
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Quick update. I just got off the phone with their front office guy. He admitted that it's possible to replace the timing belt without removing the engine, but they prefer to do it the other way. He had also mentioned in our previous conversation that the carbs were "leaking." I asked where the leak was coming from, and he said, "The carbs." My confidence has dropped below zero. I'm not going to even let these guys check the timing. Game over. They're off my list for good.
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Re: Is the timing belt an engine-out procedure?
Quick update.? I just got off the phone with their front office guy.? He admitted that it's possible to replace the timing belt without removing the engine, but they prefer to do it the other way.? He had also mentioned in our previous conversation that the carbs were "leaking."? I asked where the leak was coming from, and he said, "The carbs."? My confidence has dropped below zero.? I'm not going to even let these guys check the timing.? Game over.? They're off my list for good.
-- Toaph
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 09:29:01 AM EDT, Toaph via groups.io <toaph@...> wrote:
Thanks to everyone who replied, especially Bill with the link to the video, and Tim for all the details.? I'm not sure how email attachments work on groups.io, but I tried attaching
my statement of work and their estimate for those who are interested.? In the past I've gone to this shop for some miscellaneous, relatively minor things on a couple of my cars, and they did a fine job.? If anything my complaint was they weren't thorough enough.? I don't know if they've gone through some changes, or if this was just an isolated bad experience.? I'm going to have them tune the carbs and set the timing to the best of their ability and leave it at that.? I will NOT be signing up for the $10K package.
-- Toaph
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 01:32:15 PM EDT, Tim Engel <tsengel@...> wrote:
The engine DOES NOT have to come out in order to replace the timing belt and tensioner bearing.? ?In my Esprit S2, I could replace both the belt & bearing in 3.0 hours with the engine IN the Esprit.? ?My record in a front-engined Eclat is 45 minutes for the timing belt only.? ?In general, replacing the tensioner bearing adds about 15 minutes to the task.
According to Lotus' Flat Rate Labor Manual, the time to accomplish the following tasks is...
ADJUST Timing Belt Tension (including setting cam timing):
0.8 hr = Esprit S1,? ?or? ?1.1 hr = Esprit S2
REPLACE Timing Belt (including setting cam timing & tensioning):
2.8 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
REPLACE (plug & play) Timing Belt Tensioner (eccentric).
2.5 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
REPLACE (plug & play) Timing Belt Tensioner (semi-automatic).
3.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
ADD the following time to both of the above IF the tensioner bearing is replaced
0.3 hr?= Esprit S1 & S2
CHECK Valve Clearances:
1.1 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
ADJUST (ie, shim) Valve Clearances:
4.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
Remove & Replace Engine & Gearbox Ass'y:
9.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
My experience is that it takes about
3.5 hours to put the engine on the floor, and...
5.5 hours to install the engine.
9.0 billable hoiurs, and they have not yet accomplished one single thing that was on your work order.
My best advice... do NOT do business with that shop.? ?They're scamming you/ padding the bill.? ?Removing the engine first is only easier/ faster 'IF' you ignore the amount of time and effort required to remove & replace the engine.? ?In general, you (or the mechanic) CAN NOT save enough time doing the above tasks on the engine out of the car to offset the time and effort (grief, pain, etc) required to remove & replace the engine !!
What is the name and address of the shop that insists upon removing the engine first.? ?Every Lotus owner living near you should be aware.
Regards,
Tim Engel
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Re: Is the timing belt an engine-out procedure?
Thanks to everyone who replied, especially Bill with the link to the video, and Tim for all the details.? I'm not sure how email attachments work on groups.io, but I tried attaching
my statement of work and their estimate for those who are interested.? In the past I've gone to this shop for some miscellaneous, relatively minor things on a couple of my cars, and they did a fine job.? If anything my complaint was they weren't thorough enough.? I don't know if they've gone through some changes, or if this was just an isolated bad experience.? I'm going to have them tune the carbs and set the timing to the best of their ability and leave it at that.? I will NOT be signing up for the $10K package.
-- Toaph
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 01:32:15 PM EDT, Tim Engel <tsengel@...> wrote:
The engine DOES NOT have to come out in order to replace the timing belt and tensioner bearing.? ?In my Esprit S2, I could replace both the belt & bearing in 3.0 hours with the engine IN the Esprit.? ?My record in a front-engined Eclat is 45 minutes for the timing belt only.? ?In general, replacing the tensioner bearing adds about 15 minutes to the task.
According to Lotus' Flat Rate Labor Manual, the time to accomplish the following tasks is...
ADJUST Timing Belt Tension (including setting cam timing):
0.8 hr = Esprit S1,? ?or? ?1.1 hr = Esprit S2
REPLACE Timing Belt (including setting cam timing & tensioning):
2.8 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
REPLACE (plug & play) Timing Belt Tensioner (eccentric).
2.5 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
REPLACE (plug & play) Timing Belt Tensioner (semi-automatic).
3.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
ADD the following time to both of the above IF the tensioner bearing is replaced
0.3 hr?= Esprit S1 & S2
CHECK Valve Clearances:
1.1 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
ADJUST (ie, shim) Valve Clearances:
4.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
Remove & Replace Engine & Gearbox Ass'y:
9.0 hr = Esprit S1 & S2
My experience is that it takes about
3.5 hours to put the engine on the floor, and...
5.5 hours to install the engine.
9.0 billable hoiurs, and they have not yet accomplished one single thing that was on your work order.
My best advice... do NOT do business with that shop.? ?They're scamming you/ padding the bill.? ?Removing the engine first is only easier/ faster 'IF' you ignore the amount of time and effort required to remove & replace the engine.? ?In general, you (or the mechanic) CAN NOT save enough time doing the above tasks on the engine out of the car to offset the time and effort (grief, pain, etc) required to remove & replace the engine !!
What is the name and address of the shop that insists upon removing the engine first.? ?Every Lotus owner living near you should be aware.
Regards,
Tim Engel
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Re: Camshafts and/or Pulleys for sale
Tim,
I guess the obvious way forward then (assuming I can find a suitable red dot pulley) is to simply install the new pulley on the exhaust camshaft and see what that feels like.? That seems a harder task than I expected.? There are J-H pulleys listed out there but the vendors cannot confirm they are red dots so I am hesitating given your cautionary notes on the various versions that are out there.
Thanks again for your wisdom on this.
Ian.
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Look at picture 94. It is the tarp that goes over the engine cover. ?
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From: [email protected] <> On Behalf Of Rich Flowers
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Dog box protrusion ? Nope.? Look on the outside between the 2 chrome latches at bottom right corner of image.
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Rich F
'79 JPS #040
'95 S4s ...SHF63000
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Bill Galbraith
