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To be a tad bit crude, I'm very happy to see a Baptist with some balls! I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church and much of my family still belongs and supports that denomination. I'm appalled at the 18th century beliefs shown by the leadership and the hypocrisy of what they do compared with what the Bible says they should be doing. Oops, sorry, saying "18th century" perhaps puts them too far back since they were founded in 1845 in the runup to the US Civil War in response to the "Northern Baptist" predilection toward abolition.

Ken

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Some are putting faith in people like the Orange Orator and not Jesus as Savior. They cannot see the error. I don't believe that myself but I don't tell others that I do and then deny it by how I live.

Ken

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Why don't hundreds do the same? Stuck in the 1850s I'm afraid.

Buffalo

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 07:27:24 AM MST, Kenneth E. DeBusk via groups.io <kendeb52@...> wrote:

To be a tad bit crude, I'm very happy to see a Baptist with some balls! I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church and much of my family still belongs and supports that denomination. I'm appalled at the 18th century beliefs shown by the leadership and the hypocrisy of what they do compared with what the Bible says they should be doing. Oops, sorry, saying "18th century" perhaps puts them too far back since they were founded in 1845 in the runup to the US Civil War in response to the "Northern Baptist" predilection toward abolition.

Ken

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12:51 a.m.

Beth Moore, a popular writer and speaker on the Bible, has , and people in evangelical Christian circles are for the largest U.S. Protestant denomination and the broader evangelical community, especially evangelical women.

Beth Moore leaving the Southern Baptist Convention is the religion news equivalent to Prince Harry leaving the royal firm.

A big and unthinkable deal.

— Diana Butler Bass (@dianabutlerbass)

Moore told Religion News Service on Friday that she is "no longer a Southern Baptist," . "I am still a Baptist, but I can no longer identify with Southern Baptists," she added. "I love so many Southern Baptist people, so many Southern Baptist churches, but I don't identify with some of the things in our heritage that haven't remained in the past." She also said she's ended her 25-year publishing and events partnership with Lifeway Christian Resources, the SBC's publishing arm.

Moore, who has said her local Southern Baptist church "growing up saved my live" as a refuge from sexual abuse at home, began her ministry by mixing Bible study into her aerobics class at First Baptist Church in Houston. Lifeway published her first book in 1995, and she then founded Living Proof Ministries. Southern Baptists do not allow women to be pastors, but her teaching ministry earned millions of dollars from 2001 to 2016.

Then, in October 2016, Moore was shocked at — and more shocked that SBC leaders rallied around him. "The disorientation of this was staggering," she told RNS. After Moore criticized Trump, she became something of a pariah. And when she became an advocate for victims of sexual abuse after the Houston Chronicle in February 2019 of over 20 years, she says she felt even more an outsider. From 2017 to 2019, , Moore's Living Proof Ministries lost $1.8 million .

"I do not believe these are days for mincing words," . "I'm 63 1/2 years old & I have never seen anything in these United States of America I found more astonishingly seductive & dangerous to the saints of God than Trumpism. This Christian nationalism is not of God. Move back from it." Moore expects her audiences will be smaller now, , but "I am going to serve whoever God puts in front of me."

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"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell, British philosopher and mathematician

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I've pretty much always been interested in the Friends for a long time. I have never gotten to the point of finding some locally and attending a service, so stlil in the dark about most aspects of it. Put something else on my "to do" list. That list is very similar to my "to read" list in that I generally buy about 3 books for every 2 I read. Somehow, that one leftover never seems to do anything except collect dust on the shelf.

Ken

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I was raised a Quaker and still am I guess. I have a belief in something, I don't know what. I like the group meditation of the Quaker meetings but don't go often, just lazy I guess. Also, I can argue either side God or no God and I don't need anyone around to do it. But one thing I know for sure, If the Jesus of the Bible is and is watching now a whole bunch of so-called Christians are in for a surprise one day.

Buffalo

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 12:08:09 PM MST, Kenneth E. DeBusk via groups.io <kendeb52@...> wrote:

Some are putting faith in people like the Orange Orator and not Jesus as Savior. They cannot see the error. I don't believe that myself but I don't tell others that I do and then deny it by how I live.

Ken

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On 3/10/21 10:07 AM, Buffalo Anderson via groups.io wrote:

Why don't hundreds do the same? Stuck in the 1850s I'm afraid.

Buffalo

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 07:27:24 AM MST, Kenneth E. DeBusk via groups.io <kendeb52@...> wrote:

To be a tad bit crude, I'm very happy to see a Baptist with some balls! I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church and much of my family still belongs and supports that denomination. I'm appalled at the 18th century beliefs shown by the leadership and the hypocrisy of what they do compared with what the Bible says they should be doing. Oops, sorry, saying "18th century" perhaps puts them too far back since they were founded in 1845 in the runup to the US Civil War in response to the "Northern Baptist" predilection toward abolition.

Ken

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12:51 a.m.

Beth Moore, a popular writer and speaker on the Bible, has , and people in evangelical Christian circles are for the largest U.S. Protestant denomination and the broader evangelical community, especially evangelical women.

Beth Moore leaving the Southern Baptist Convention is the religion news equivalent to Prince Harry leaving the royal firm.

A big and unthinkable deal.

— Diana Butler Bass (@dianabutlerbass)

Moore told Religion News Service on Friday that she is "no longer a Southern Baptist," . "I am still a Baptist, but I can no longer identify with Southern Baptists," she added. "I love so many Southern Baptist people, so many Southern Baptist churches, but I don't identify with some of the things in our heritage that haven't remained in the past." She also said she's ended her 25-year publishing and events partnership with Lifeway Christian Resources, the SBC's publishing arm.

Moore, who has said her local Southern Baptist church "growing up saved my live" as a refuge from sexual abuse at home, began her ministry by mixing Bible study into her aerobics class at First Baptist Church in Houston. Lifeway published her first book in 1995, and she then founded Living Proof Ministries. Southern Baptists do not allow women to be pastors, but her teaching ministry earned millions of dollars from 2001 to 2016.

Then, in October 2016, Moore was shocked at — and more shocked that SBC leaders rallied around him. "The disorientation of this was staggering," she told RNS. After Moore criticized Trump, she became something of a pariah. And when she became an advocate for victims of sexual abuse after the Houston Chronicle in February 2019 of over 20 years, she says she felt even more an outsider. From 2017 to 2019, , Moore's Living Proof Ministries lost $1.8 million .

"I do not believe these are days for mincing words," . "I'm 63 1/2 years old & I have never seen anything in these United States of America I found more astonishingly seductive & dangerous to the saints of God than Trumpism. This Christian nationalism is not of God. Move back from it." Moore expects her audiences will be smaller now, , but "I am going to serve whoever God puts in front of me."

--
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell, British philosopher and mathematician

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"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell, British philosopher and mathematician