Re: FS: South Wind NYC Combine
That's quite a discovery Jace!? Seems
that the lonely combine has often been a step child.? When they
first were imported, I obtained one.? I then had the opportunity
to buy an entire train of the newly painted? models.? As expected,
the coaches went in a heartbeat, then the baggage.? The RPO, obs
and combine took awhile. My personal roster was 'good' until I
decided I needed a change which left me without a combine--I was
after a short train with just a RPO, baggage and combine.? At one
of the conventions, Jettie put me together with one that was
lettered on one side!? So again I'm happy with my little train.?
I've operated on a ATSF HO layout where a combine was standard for
a mixed train, so it's an ideal situation fairly often.? And just
a few years earlier, I'd be jumping on it!?
Also those trucks have some of the best
rolling qualities I've experienced!?
Bob Werre
PhotoTraxx
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I discovered I'd accumulated three of these, which is at least
one more than I need.? Mint condition, never run.
Great for mixed trains.
Asking $175 and shipping
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On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 05:30 AM, Pieter Roos wrote:
I would bet that the molds/tooling for the pieces under discussion reside in China.
(after 50 years I expect the idea of “growing” S into a major scale is one to forget).
Lionel has several factories in China which produce products for them.? At one time, the number was at least 10+ different factories.? Lionel obtained competitive bids for production from various factories in their attempts to keep the numbers reasonable.? I do not know how many factories Lionel uses these days.? I am quite sure Lionel did not own these factories but had exclusive use of their capabilities.
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I really appreciate Pieter's thinking outside the box regarding S scale not becoming a major scale.? As two old-tymers in S, we have both worked hard in our individual ways to accomplish that goal.? I, for one, feel it is impossible unless a big Sugar Daddy steps up to the task.? So far, I have not seen a Sugar Daddy on the horizon heading our way.?
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Perhaps S scale marketing should emphasize that S is the best niche scale to enjoy.? Creatively making things might be an appeal to many rather than simply buying things.? (Note:? "might" is not the same as "will".)? Promoting all the different ways folks could make things in S scale for themselves would be a new approach.? Perhaps it would be better to be known as the BEST NICHE SCALE rather than the long-lost? formerly-major scale?? No matter how much S advertises, the lack of products remains the biggest single obstacle to attracting those from other scales to S.?
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Just my thoughts.? Worth what you paid for them.? Enjoy.........
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Cheers..........Ed Loizeaux?
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Ed Loizeaux
Los Altos, CA
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I don't know about Lionel, but I've read much of model railroading makers in China are owned by J.P. Morgan Bank.? So reusing them in China shouldn't be anything but a raising Capital problem.? Please, this is not a political statement, but a comment on bringing back wanted AF.? Please do not go to a political reply.? But if I'm wrong, I gladly accept correction.
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George Courtney
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True Bill, but both far exceed anything that AC Gilbert tooled.?
Don Thompson…
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Re: The Monon Thoroughbred
Roger,
Higher vantage point images are now referred to as "drone shots"...and they're all the rage!
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Real railroads now look like layouts on YouTube!
Brooks
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Re: "Purchasing" the AF tooling
Thanks for the example.
And imagine losing your job over it !
Bill in Ft Worth
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Re: "Purchasing" the AF tooling
Bill, this was done in the 60’s by Walter Graeff of Ace Model Railroad. He agreed to purchase a “Days” run of the injection molding machine, which I think Josh Seltzer told me was 5,000 units. The AF boxcar (PRR X29) with non-opening doors and the 3 bay offset open top hopper were run. Ace then sold these unlettered shells or as kits. Seltzers purchased over a 1,000 of these shells and using Champ decals, CDS dry transfers, and any other letting they could cobble, offered RTR scale and AF compatible cards. They included assembled Ace trucks, bolsters or underframes. AF compatible couplers (I’m thinking Harry Gordon’s) or KD#5s. Josh told me the project manager had not cleared this deal with the higher ups and lost his job over it….
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Re: Unique Southern Pacific AC-5 Cab Forward 4-8-8-2 for sale
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Hi Mike,
Absolutely, if people provide the photos and possible texts. In the "How
To" section there is also a dedicated page for "kit-bashing":
Sometimes I just get a photo, and sometimes I get multiple photos and
texts. If I get more of a how-to article's worth of content, I'll make a
dedicated page. If it is just a photo or two of the completed model with
a caption, then I'll add it to the "various" pages, as an additional
example. That section may also contain links to external web sites, if
the author has captured a kit-bashing project on their own web site.
- Peter.
On 01/31/2025 11:24 PM, Michael Lytle via wrote:
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> Peter,
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> Would you consider a page for Ed Kirstater's models: scratch built,
> converted and enhanced SHS & AM.
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> Mike
> Ohio
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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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Re: Unique Southern Pacific AC-5 Cab Forward 4-8-8-2 for sale
Hi Mike,
Absolutely, if people provide the photos and possible texts. In the "How To" section there is also a dedicated page for "kit-bashing":
Sometimes I just get a photo, and sometimes I get multiple photos and texts. If I get more of a how-to article's worth of content, I'll make a dedicated page. If it is just a photo or two of the completed model with a caption, then I'll add it to the "various" pages, as an additional example. That section may also contain links to external web sites, if the author has captured a kit-bashing project on their own web site.
- Peter.
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On 01/31/2025 11:24 PM, Michael Lytle via groups.io wrote:
Peter,
Would you consider a page for Ed Kirstater's models: scratch built, converted and enhanced SHS & AM.
Mike
Ohio
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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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There is NO WAY Andrew is switching to Z scale. He likes his brass too much. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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I would bet that the molds/tooling?for the pieces under discussion reside in China. It’s possible that Lionel doesn’t even “own” them, or that they were destroyed after the last run, although not highly probable.
A more likely approach for us would be using CAD-CAM and 3D printing to make very short run or make-on-demand models. The results would not be cheap, probably brass-model prices, but could fill the needs of existing and future S scalers (after 50 years I expect the idea of “growing” S into a major scale is one to forget). People are already making the 3D printed shells, it is more about machining the mechanism parts.
A first step might be to work with AM to design 3D printed shells and maybe frame parts to extend their line (if they are willing - but it?would mean they could focus on marketing and shipping, maybe painting and pad-printing an extended line with only mechanical parts being in inventory).?The line could then be filled out with newer models and more unusual units from the transition era.
Meanwhile someone with the skills could work on producing a mechanism or mechanisms using?the CAM technology.
BTW, Hans, any HO produced since the 1970s should run on code 70. Before that it was only a few European based companies that used the NEM standards which required code 100 track.
On Thursday, January 30, 2025, 9:16 PM, Ted Larson via groups.io <mhrreast@...> wrote: REgarding;? --  ?? I know there are potential issues with putting die A into injection molding machine B,?Yes there are potential issues, but In general there are few issues with running a mold in a different injection molding press as long as the press is properly chosen for the needs of the mold.??
Ted Larson -- Ted Larson trainweb.org/mhrr/??????? --------??????? NASG.org??????? --------??????? GN in 1965
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Re: Posting Only On Facebook
Peter, you do a fabulous job of updating the NASG.org web site for all things S!? It's a wonderful portal for all who are interested in trains, farm modeling, diecast vehicles, etc. Your "news" and "product gallery" are especially comprehensive, capturing part-time makers, 3D-printed models, and many obscure niches with our hobby.
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Guys, I recommend checking this great information resource from time to time. You'll find something of interest.
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Mark Charles
Ann Arbor, Mich. USA
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Re: Posting Only On Facebook
I changed my S Fine Scale Model Railroading group to private maybe 2 years ago. There was a lot of SPAM and fake profiles applying. Changing to private stopped all that. ? I mostly post things to both to cover all possible. But FB allows video to be posted that I/O SHOULD be doing so I am a bit more active on FB. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Re: The Monon Thoroughbred
Thank you, Dan., I calculated that the train would be over 8 feet long! I’m searching for a place to fit it in full view. It would have to be a “helicopter” shot. Before that, I need to strip and add details to my two C&NW F units before painting them in red and gray. Might take some time at my current snail’s pace. Roger ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan Vandermause via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2025 7:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] The Monon Thoroughbred? What a great passenger car model! ?Another example of a smaller railroad creating a unique passenger experience with limited resources. When will we get to see the entire train in its natural habitat?
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Re: Unique Southern Pacific AC-5 Cab Forward 4-8-8-2 for sale
Peter,
Would you consider a page for Ed Kirstater's models: scratch built, converted and enhanced SHS & AM.
Mike
Ohio
I do hope all the deck chairs have been
lined up correctly for all the ACs.? I can just see it now, an AC
is about to attack the Western slopes of the Sierra with it's
consist ending with a proper caboose.? With all the SP modelers in
mind, the BBB still has one painted model of the sloped coupla
wood caboose.? This is the Gold Coast model of the C-30-1 that has
been custom painted but not lettered.? It does have a pair of
lanterns and it includes several packages of Champ HO decals,
although I suspect the the correct size is now available.? It's in
the factory box with a gold label.? It's never been run with
excellent paint.?
Probably the last model around!?
$185.00 + shipping?
BBB/Phototraxx ????????
John...Thanks For The response.? I had not ment?to
start a thread on?Jesse Bennett locomotives, but I do find all
of the responses interesting. I believe it's important to
remember where the works of art from our early and very talented
S scale modelers went/are. Not just Jesse, either.? It's Worth a
page or two on the NASG website.? We both?know who sent me the
AC-5 and I remain most appreciative.? It took a lot of effort to
get it back to running plus up to date with Dan's brass
castings.? There's probably?a good story as to how Arden ended
up with those models.? He once told me the family wanted to keep
them.? Also, I wonder who the guy is with the podcast (you tube)
showing the Yellowstone and unpainted brass
Challenger?operating.? There is a link to both on the NASG
website.??
Many thanks & I hope all is?well with you.
Bob
Bob:
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The please read my message more
carefully.? I was not discussing your AC-5.? The
second AC-5 as well as the Big Boy and Challenger (
and I think the AC-12 though I do not recall) went to
the NMRA for display at CSRM.? The same guy that sent
you your AC-5 at the direction of the Goehring family
delivered these locos to Bob Brown and Charlie Getz
who were heading up the NMRA exhibit at the CSRM.? ?
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~ John
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Re: The Monon Thoroughbred
Roger:
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What a great passenger car model! ?Another example of a smaller railroad creating a unique passenger experience with limited resources.
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When will we get to see the entire train in its natural habitat?
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Dan V
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Re: Posting Only On Facebook
I also do not participate on Facebook.
We have our group here for a reason.? Are we to use messages here to tell us that photos are somewhere else?
If so, consider looking into Flickr.
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FS: South Wind NYC Combine
I discovered I'd accumulated three of these, which is at least one more than I need.? Mint condition, never run.
Great for mixed trains.
Asking $175 and shipping
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It appears that the "S-scale" group on Facebook has now also locked their group to be "private" only. The full list of S-related Facebook groups is here (all are now "private"):
I do not "do" Facebook, so if you are only posting new product announcements or other important notices on any of the Facebook groups, note that I will not see them, and thus not be able to report on them in the NASG web site "News" section. So, I would recommend that individuals/companies either also post announcements in any of the Groups.io S-related discussion lists (I do monitor all of them), or e-mail me directly at webmaster@....
We are getting way more eyeballs on the NASG web site than there are members on any of those Facebook groups, so if you want to make an announcement that reaches a wider "S" audience, please contact me. I want to help promote your S product(s).
- Peter (as NASG webmaster)
P.S. If you know anyone who only posts on Facebook and is not on these Groups.io lists, feel free to forward this e-mail to them.
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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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Re: The Monon Thoroughbred
Thanks, Bill. I meant to say that I did some final detailing and paint touch up, along with the decaling. Roger ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of William Winans via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2025 12:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] The Monon Thoroughbred? Here's the Monon's "Thoroughbred" Dining-Parlor Observation car #58. Built and painted by Bob Hogan, painted and decaled by me. The five cars are finally finished. Now I need to detail and paint the two F-3's to pull the train...._._,_
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Bob Werre
Don Thompson
Bill Lane
Roger Nulton
