As I recall (being a long-time HO modeler until I went to O scale forty-five years ago), AF also
used the Varney hoppers and tank cars.
The High-F drive was an attempt to cut costs to bring more budget-conscious people into the scale; it was not a success, and?
they soon returned to a decent geared drive.
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And a bit more useless trivia--in HO, Gilbert used the Varney F unit as their's.? I don't know if it was the entire unit or just the shell.? I think it was also mentioned that a couple of the freight cars came from other sources too.
I was always admiring Gilbert's version of the North Coast Limited.? The S version with it's PA's just didn't float!? The North Coast Limited was one of a very few passenger consists i'd ever seen 1:1
Bob Werre
After Lionel stopped using Rivarossi, they did contract with Athearn.? And Athearn had the "Hi-F" drive for a while, and I think were the only ones that had it.? Athearn also bought the HObbyline (John English) diesel shell so some of the "Lionel" HO was a
bit of a mashup.? The Virginian Rectifier that Athearn provided was interesting because it came on rather incorrect EMD Blomberg trucks from Athearn's "GP9.".
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 04:15:39 PM PST, ken garber via groups.io
<garber.ken@...>?wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 6:56?PM Andrew Parker via ?<andriaart1= [email protected]> wrote:
Part of what I received was a Lionel HO gauge train set.? ?New Haven F units and passenger cars.? The traction was provided by spinning roods with rubber bands between the motor and the trucks.
Drive could have been made by Athearn.? ?The Athearn RDC and the Hustler (and maybe a few others) were rubber band drives.
At high speed they were guaranteed to fly off on a curve.
Ken G.
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And a bit more useless trivia--in HO,
Gilbert used the Varney F unit as their's.? I don't know if it was
the entire unit or just the shell.? I think it was also mentioned
that a couple of the freight cars came from other sources too.
I was always admiring Gilbert's version
of the North Coast Limited.? The S version with it's PA's just
didn't float!? The North Coast Limited was one of a very few
passenger consists i'd ever seen 1:1
Bob Werre
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After Lionel stopped using
Rivarossi, they did contract with Athearn.? And Athearn had
the "Hi-F" drive for a while, and I think were the only ones
that had it.? Athearn also bought the HObbyline (John English)
diesel shell so some of the "Lionel" HO was a bit of a
mashup.? The Virginian Rectifier that Athearn provided was
interesting because it came on rather incorrect EMD Blomberg
trucks from Athearn's "GP9.".
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 04:15:39 PM PST, ken
garber via groups.io <garber.ken@...>
wrote:
On
Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 6:56?PM Andrew Parker via
<andriaart1= [email protected]>
wrote:
Part of what I received was a
Lionel HO gauge train set.? ?New Haven F
units and passenger cars.? The traction was
provided by spinning roods with rubber bands
between the motor and the trucks.
Drive could have been made by Athearn.? ?The
Athearn RDC and the Hustler (and maybe a few
others) were rubber band drives.
At high speed they were guaranteed to fly off
on a curve.
Ken G.
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I jest Mike, but isn't glycerine an oil? Is it water soluble?
I also watched a YouTube video that recommended using windshield washer fluid. Took me a couple of hours to disassemble the airbrush and clean out the solidified acrylic...but I'm still having fun. Tommy?
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 8:05?PM Mike Swederska via <MikeSscale= [email protected]> wrote: Tom,? Tap water and if needed glycerine. There are tons of YouTube videos on thinning and spraying craft acrylics.?
Mike Swederska? ? I gotta ask Mike, you're airbrushing those craft store acrylics?? What's your recipe? Tommy?
--
Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Re: EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks
It seems like he had good intentions with very little time to attend to his business.? Stephen J Kutash
203 906-5116 (Cell)
Clay had a bunch, loved to learn where all our parts ended up?
Don
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Re: The Death Of S Scale: An Outsiders Opinion
Hello Rance!
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Thank you for thinking of my situation.
At this point, it is a bit early for me to start considering heavy investments into my S Hi Rail idea, so I would not be
purchasing "en masse" for some time.
?
What I may do at some point in the next year or so, is purchase a target AF engine,?some sticks of?track from suppliers for samples and possibly a switch from each.
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Thereon I would like to see how well an AF/Gilbert 0-8-0 can be made to run.
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I expect I amd going to?be pariticipating more in the S scale forum over at OGR (where Hi Rail is more accepted and in the majority). It will be there I am going to ask/learn about the possibility of?adapting AF/Gilber engines?to pure DC. My thinking would be, that if they can be adapted to pure DC, then I would like?to experiement?putting sound/DCC therein. IF that's practical, it would be intention to convert the small amount of AF/Gilbert engines I may have in the future so that I could?enjoy them via?one of my NCE systems. (I have two NCE/RC systems, one out in the layout building and one here in this computer room.)
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So,?very soon I will be taking my S Hi Rail disccussions over the OGR so as not to become more tedious to those here.
?
Andre Ming
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Clay had a bunch, loved to learn where all our parts ended up?
Don
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Re: LATEST PROJECT ON MILFORD VALLEY RR
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 7:06?PM Fred SCHLEGEL via <fredschlegel7= [email protected]> wrote: I had an eight inch x 8 foot space on the back side wall of my layout that needed to be filled to connect the Hudson Coal Co. mine to the Reinmiller Cattle Co at the other end of the layout. It is 31/2 inches taller than the layout? below it. I didn't want to connect it to the main layout because of the ramp it would take and no room to do it, so I just made it into a switching module to transfer coal cars and cattle?cars back and?forth. I am running it deadrail so no wiring was necessary. I have been having fun using my deadrail Bluenami equipped?SHS S1? CB&Q switcher to switch the area.? I also sent some pictures to Webmaster Peter for possible publication of which he said the phone pictures were to small to blow up for the website. So I down loaded?Brook Stovers layout photography article and bought a couple of LED photo lamps on tripods and set my Fugi?point and shoot camera on tripod and his setting suggestions. There is a lot to learn to get to his quality of photos but I feel I got a good start. I did send a few pictures to Terry Okelly? to see if they were good enough quality for the Dispatch. Will wait to see what he has to say. Here are a few shots of the switching module if just?finished from the coal mine.? There is a lot to learn and time consuming in trying to get a good picture but kind of a fun?project. Fred Schlegel
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Ken, thanks for taking the time to check. Bob Frascella will be sending me some.? Thanks again, Steve Stephen J Kutash
203 906-5116 (Cell)
What do they look like?? I will check all the spare parts I have.
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Ken Zieska
1/64th Scale Modeler
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 04:51 AM, Pieter Roos wrote:
As did their O gauge EP-5 electric, with EMD four wheel instead of six wheel trucks (Flyers was more accurate). Then again, an in-accurate Flyer Virginian might have generated more sales for AC Gilbert, and could have been painted New Haven orange.
Accuracy never deterred Lionel...
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Rich G(ajnak)
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Re: latest BBB , revised 3.1
Rick Naylor inquired about me still having some items left==well I do.? I have been unable to get this message to him, so pardon my effort, maybe it'll make it!
Bob Werre
BBB
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On 2/12/25 8:59 AM, Bob Werre wrote: Yes Rick,? An Overland E9 left a week ago heading toward the East!? I still have a bunch of stuff in several catagories.? The plastic cars are limited, but? I do have brass--both freight and passenger, along with some structure kits.
Probably I'll start listing in a couple of weeks.? Do you need anything in particular?
Bob Werre
BBB
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Re: EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks
If Ken can't find his I think I might
have two of them.? And these are "special", as Jettie sent them to
me as photo samples as these were the first castings that were
made. ?? I inquired if I could just keep them, but no, he wanted
the money, so I paid but I also never had a real need!? So these
are rare collector items, assuming I can find them!?
Often times clients find it
easier/cheaper in several ways to just write off these minor
items.? And this dumpster diver is certified in that practice!
Bob Werre
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I’m
starting work on an EMD FL9. I’m using two undecorated
American Models FP7’s and I’m looking to see if anyone has
any brass EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks. BTS no longer
has them. I need two.
Thanks,
Steve
Kutash?
Stephen J Kutash
203 906-5116 (Cell)
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As did their O gauge EP-5 electric, with EMD four wheel instead of six wheel trucks (Flyers was more accurate). Then again, an in-accurate Flyer Virginian might have generated more sales for AC Gilbert, and could have been painted New Haven orange.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 7:37 PM, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
After Lionel stopped using Rivarossi, they did contract with Athearn.? And Athearn had the "Hi-F" drive for a while, and I think were the only ones that had it.? Athearn also bought the HObbyline (John English) diesel shell so some of the "Lionel" HO was a bit of a mashup.? The Virginian Rectifier that Athearn provided was interesting because it came on rather incorrect EMD Blomberg trucks from Athearn's "GP9.".
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 04:15:39 PM PST, ken garber via groups.io <garber.ken@...> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 6:56?PM Andrew Parker via <andriaart1= [email protected]> wrote:
Part of what I received was a Lionel HO gauge train set.? ?New Haven F units and passenger cars.? The traction was provided by spinning roods with rubber bands between the motor and the trucks.
Drive could have been made by Athearn.? ?The Athearn RDC and the Hustler (and maybe a few others) were rubber band drives.
At high speed they were guaranteed to fly off on a curve.
Ken G.
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Re: The Death Of S Scale — a Different POV
Hello Dick.
?
I suspect that you're looking at S scale too much and projecting it's situation onto model railroading in general.
?
Almost 3 weeks ago there was a train meet/show in New England that is referred to as?the "Amherst Show". From the reports that ran in one of the MRH (Model Railroad Hobbyist) forums indicates it was the best attended show in years. Basically at times during the 2 day show?it was shoulder to shoulder (and the one posting was fussing because of the crowded conditions, this is myoptic view, IMHO)
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Further, within the "Railroad Prototype Modelers" meets, there is beginning to be?significant presense of younger modelers coming into the hobby.
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The segments that are hurting are those of the "traditional/nostalgic" type modeling that have depended on the Baby Boomers as their market for new products. Specifically, S scale and 3 rail. As we Baby Boomers pass on, we're not being replaced fast enough for S scale and 3-rail to?make gains. The mfg'ers see this demographic, thus Lionel taking steps to try to make inroads in the huge HO market that still exists. Scale Trains indicates they are going to try to make a go in S scale, but IMHO they will have an severe uphill struggle.
SO, yes, if you look at what is happening within S or even 3-rail, the future?looks bleak. However, if you look at the greater picture, model railroading is actually enjoying a resurgence.
?
Model railroading is going to?exist in some form for our (the members of this list) emaining lifetimes.?
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The good news in this for me, is that should I end up in S Hi-Rail some years from now, it will be a buyers market because of the glut of product that is (or will be hitting hitting the market, and will continue to hit, as Boomers pass or sell off.
?
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Andre Ming
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Re: EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks
What do they look like?? I will check all the spare parts I have.
--
Ken Zieska
1/64th Scale Modeler
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Tom,? Tap water and if needed glycerine. There are tons of YouTube videos on thinning and spraying craft acrylics.?
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On Feb 12, 2025, at 7:28?PM, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
? I gotta ask Mike, you're airbrushing those craft store acrylics?? What's your recipe? Tommy?
-- Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
https://www.youtube.com/@mikesscale3149
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Re: EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks
Stephen,
Look into K&S Brass rectangular tubing - they're not a perfect match but close.
Mike
Ohio
I’m starting work on an EMD FL9. I’m using two undecorated American Models FP7’s and I’m looking to see if anyone has any brass EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks. BTS no longer has them. I need two. Thanks, Steve Kutash? Stephen J Kutash
203 906-5116 (Cell)
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EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks
I’m starting work on an EMD FL9. I’m using two undecorated American Models FP7’s and I’m looking to see if anyone has any brass EMD diesel F unit exhaust stacks. BTS no longer has them. I need two. Thanks, Steve Kutash? Stephen J Kutash
203 906-5116 (Cell)
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I gotta ask Mike, you're airbrushing those craft store acrylics?? What's your recipe? Tommy?
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LATEST PROJECT ON MILFORD VALLEY RR
I had an eight inch x 8 foot space on the back side wall of my layout that needed to be filled to connect the Hudson Coal Co. mine to the Reinmiller Cattle Co at the other end of the layout. It is 31/2 inches taller than the layout? below it. I didn't want to connect it to the main layout because of the ramp it would take and no room to do it, so I just made it into a switching module to transfer coal cars and cattle?cars back and?forth. I am running it deadrail so no wiring was necessary. I have been having fun using my deadrail Bluenami equipped?SHS S1? CB&Q switcher to switch the area.? I also sent some pictures to Webmaster Peter for possible publication of which he said the phone pictures were to small to blow up for the website. So I down loaded?Brook Stovers layout photography article and bought a couple of LED photo lamps on tripods and set my Fugi?point and shoot camera on tripod and his setting suggestions. There is a lot to learn to get to his quality of photos but I feel I got a good start. I did send a few pictures to Terry Okelly? to see if they were good enough quality for the Dispatch. Will wait to see what he has to say. Here are a few shots of the switching module if just?finished from the coal mine.? There is a lot to learn and time consuming in trying to get a good picture but kind of a fun?project. Fred Schlegel
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Bob Werre
Tom Lennon
Don Thompson
