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Re: The Death Of S Scale: An Outsiders Opinion


 

Hi Andre,

I like your thought process.? I'm about a decade younger, but catching up to you.

I'm currently building a layout using code 138 shs/mth FlexTrack.? I run Flyer, AM and SHS as you propose to.
Currently using the oversized Flyer? Couplers, but plan to switch to kaydees sometime.

? ?Switches for the code 138 rail have been a problem.? I am hand assembling them, but it seems recent changes in the marketplace might alleviate that.

One thing I would strongly recommend, both for ease of use and as a concession to age, is dead rail.? Comes with sound, lights, all the bells and whistles.? We don't need to be crawling around under the layout tracing shorts or cleaning track.? There's good info on the nasg page about dead rail.? I am using Railpro, but I hear good things about Bluenami too.

You can always run wire later if you like, for track and accessories.? I did and it allows me to run original flyer and my modern dead rail engines, on the same track at the same time.

? ?Deadrail also more prototypical if that appeals to you.

Best,

Jack Kelly?

On Feb 12, 2025 11:30 AM, "Rance Velapoldi via groups.io" <rvelapoldi@...> wrote:
Hi Andre:
Interesting that you should show an 0-8-0 in your first picture.? I have been running SHS, AM and flyonel more modern high rail electronic stuff.? The visit of a grandchild from the US and his operation of same, led me to pull out of a storage box a 342 with latch coupler.? He and I cleaned it up, re-oiled/re-greased it, put it on the track (SHS 133 pound equivalent mainline), and after 45-50 years of storage in a?cool but low humidity place, it started up and ran like a champion (with a little sparking from the pick-up wheels).? I must admit I probably should have looked at the problem of lack of smoke, but my grandchild was only here for two days after taking it out of the box so it never got done.

If you want to, send me an email at rvelapoldi@... and we might discuss some other options that might be of interest to you.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi? (Tranby, Norway)

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 4:51?PM Andre Ming via <laming=[email protected]> wrote:
DISCLAIMER:
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This post is long. It discusses in specific terms issues we will all face if we live long enough. If you have no interest, or I am tedious to you, then move along. You have been warned.
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S Scale In View Of The Inevitable:
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As some of you may recall, I was pursuing an urban switching layout in S scale for a few years. (2006-2010 or so?) The layout was to be scale, not Hi-rail.
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Also, as you S scale proponents well know, S scale truly is a wonderful size.
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Unfortunately, my dissatisfaction with S scale came about because of product variety and other elements that detracted to the point I jumped ship and went back to HO.
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With the advent of having an out building constructed in 2016, that opened up new horizons for me in regards to layout options. I debated whether to stay with my Kansas City Lines urban industrial theme, but merely expanding upon it, or jumping ship to modeling a freelanced Colorado theme via 19th century steam.
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As I debated my options, my railroad career drew a close and I retired in April of 2018. Now it was time to "poop or get off the pot". After a bit more debate, I crap canned the 19th century idea and returned to my roots: Diesel railroading in the Ozarks. I revived my "Kansas City & Gulf" theme in HO and began to plan in the direction.
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By July of 2019 I had a 15' x 19' layout up and 100% operational. Since then I've been enjoying my KC&G "Ozark Sub" layout and modeling projects, including hosting friends for op sessions/etc.
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HOWEVER, there's that inevitable part...
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I am aging. In about three weeks I'll be 73.
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I notice my hands aren't as easily accomplishing working with .012" drills, 0000 paint brushes, etc, etc, as they did just a few short years ago.
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Thus, I intend to enjoy my HO as long as I can, but I am aware that I am not getting younger.
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THUS...
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Let's say I live to a ripe old age. As I do, there is the very real possibility that eventually my hands will not be steady enough to do the exacting work that's required for fine art type modeling, thus it becomes too challenging to work with smaller-by-the-year HO sized trains. (Such as the simple act of re-railing them after you knock some over thru less dexterity.)
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That so... What then?
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Well, seems that the most logical path is to sell off the HO equipment, dismantle the Ozark Sub (the layout in the out building), then sell the portable building that housed it. Gone. Time to live out my remaining time doing something else.
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And "something else" is where I'm headed here in this drivelogue.
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The other night, as I pondered the future (I am a compulsive "life planner" type personality) it hit me that I still have this around-the-wall-and-through-the-closet benchwork still in place.
It's already built. It already has Homasote in place, and with the re-installation of the drop bridge (which would only require less than a dozen dry wall screws), it can even have continuous run capability.
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So, my life plan is...
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When HO is too frustrating, instead of letting it languish, liquidate it, and move on.
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Think: Bigger, more robust, and much simpler trains. Simpler to work on (maintain), simpler to re-rail, more robust features to survive inadvertently being knocked over, etc.
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Sure, they won't be exacting little scale beauties as can be found in HO or high fidelity S scale modeling, and no, they won't have all the finer details that I currently add, etc, BUT... they WILL be miniature trains moving about and working the wonder that only moving miniature trains can work.
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Now, what type of "bigger and more robust" trains would go onto the existing bench work? Well, there's 3 rail... OR...
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There's S Hi-rail.
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With S Hi-rail, I would get the ability to run 2 rail trains on acceptable looking track that are big enough to handle easier, AND some of the vintage (and newer) American Flyer S stuff is quite nice in a simplistic way.
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What opened my eyes to S Hi-Rail as viable "Geezer Sized" trains are some photos that appear over at the O Gauge Railroading S scale forum. Take this photo for example (attachment IMG_3224):
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That's a pure AF switcher sitting on code .138" rail among sincere scenery. Not bad at all. Relettered appropriately, very nice indeed.
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Plus, there are other AF examples that have very pleasing lines, such as these models:
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IMG_9040:
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IMG_9986:
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The above photos, along with further investigation, indicates to me that there ARE viable options so I can continue to enjoy larger model trains until I'm simply unable to. SO, I now have a plan: This computer room bench work isn't going anywhere.
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Instead, I now view this existing benchwork as more of a safety net for me now.
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This computer room benchework can very likely be the place that I can fall back to, and without requiring anything NEAR the exacting labor and fine motor skills and eyesight that scale modeling in HO requires... I can still enjoy the immense pleasure to found in?creating something visually impressionistic, yet interesting within model railroading.
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After all, this small room would again lend itself well to urban railroading using a mixture of American Flyer, American Models, and possibly some SHS engines and equipment upon code 138 or 148 rail. As for couplers, either stay with the oversized AF knuckles, or if my dexerity and eyesight allow, switch them over to Kadee 802's.
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With the above approach, I could easily model a late 1940s/early 1950s Kansas City area look usng BIGGER and more ROBUST trains, and by doing so, I can continue to enjoy the simple pleasure of watching miniature trains move about in my little miniature world.
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After all, when you really deduce it down to the essentials, isn't that the essence of model railroading?
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Sincerely,
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Andre Ming


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