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NEIL YOUNG - CARNIEGIE - DEC 1970 GROVEL


Chris Webb
 

Hi,

Could any kind Rustie supply me with a cdr of this show please.

I understand the quality is excellent, and one of NY's best shows.

Thanks a lot, most appreciated.

Chris

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Neil's citizenship
From: Beavis Las Vegas <neilmail@...>
2. irfers have a great time!!!
From: "Majik" <majik@...>
3. Tree Update: Warren Zevon "I'm not dead yet!"
From: Brian Lehrhoff <blehrhof@...>
4. Re: Neil's citizenship
From: "Sharry Wilson" <sharry@...>
5. Re: the 3 "Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young" books
From: bberry1112@...
6. another
From: "threads" <threads@...>
7. dylan in denver (nnc)
From: "andy & jana thomas" <ajthomas2@...>
8. Ben Folds admires Neil
From: Joe Christmann <josenoruego@...>
9. CSNY on TV
From: "bjsleeman" <bjsleeman@...>
10. Re: Transfering your Neil LPs to CD-Rs
From: Randy944s@...
11. I have 2 extras in the Rust row for Sunday
From: "Jeff B" <jefeb@...>
12. Saratoga Springs Campground - nnc
From: Four Strong Winds <twobase@...>
13. Re: Happy Birthday IRF
From: "Gus" <mgus@...>
14. Manassas Live & Studio Outtakes Offer
From: Ho Young Kim <brdwaykochan@...>
15. neil sprirt...pass it on
From: "Steve and Sue Parker" <sparker5@...>
16. Spares to trade
From: "Paul Borrett" <pborrett@...>


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:00:27 -0400
From: Beavis Las Vegas <neilmail@...>
Subject: Re: Neil's citizenship

At 06:49 PM 10/24/02 -0400, Michael Mann wrote:
<< and neil must be a US citizen since he married an american, right?...


Not necessarily ... my mom is Canadian and she married my American dad
over thirty years ago and she has lived in the United States for longer
than that. She has decided to remain a Canadian ... she does not even
have
dual citizenship. She is a proud Canuck and more specifically a proud
Newfie.

Mike
Comatose but walking still

Neil probably has dual citizenship. because of his marriage.

It doesn't come automatically. After three years of permanent
residency through the marriage (as a green card holder),
the "alien" has to apply for citizenship and pass the citizenship
test (and be legally sworn in).

If the green card wasn't obtained through family relationship,
the period is five years of permanent residency before the "alien"
can apply.

your mom *could* take US citizenship, *and* retain her Canadian
citizenship - neither govt forces you to choose only one
(unlike some countries - India, for example - that do)

However, the US govt would remove dad's US citizenship if dad took
another citizenship that he did not gain by birth/parentage,
(ie: if he moved to Canada & took Canadian citizenship).

BTW.. did you know that mom can be deported if she changes
address in the US and doesn't notify the INS within six days
of moving? It was 30 days, until 1998. Scary!!! This applies
to ALL non-citizens, regardless of length of residency.

My source for all this info is my experience as a green card
holder in the US, and applying for US citizenship, before changing
direction and becoming a Landed Immigrant in Canada, then becoming
a citizen of Canada, and all the associated research of the laws
during these legal processes.

And, yes, I also retain my birth citizenship, which is British :)




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:22:49 -0500
From: "Majik" <majik@...>
Subject: irfers have a great time!!!

when the ones who are goin
arrive there at last

mira




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:34:46 -0400
From: Brian Lehrhoff <blehrhof@...>
Subject: Tree Update: Warren Zevon "I'm not dead yet!"

The tree structure page has been update to detail the set lists from all
four (that's 4!) cds, as well as add a link to the artwork.


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:16:10 -0400
From: "Sharry Wilson" <sharry@...>
Subject: Re: Neil's citizenship

Beavis Las Vegas wrote:

Neil probably has dual citizenship. because of his marriage.
Point taken. The question is . . . can Neil vote legally in U.S.
elections?
Perhaps it depends if he ever voted in a Canadian election. He may not
have
since he moved to the States when he was just a young adult. Even if
you're
a dual citizen I don't believe you can vote in both countries. It's either
one or the other. (But then maybe I'm misinformed about this.)

It doesn't come automatically. After three years of permanent
residency through the marriage (as a green card holder),
the "alien" has to apply for citizenship and pass the citizenship
test (and be legally sworn in).
I always thought Neil was a little different but I didn't know he was an
alien. ;-)

If the green card wasn't obtained through family relationship,
the period is five years of permanent residency before the "alien"
can apply.
Neil must have obtained his green card way before he was married to Pegi.
So
he's probably well past the point when he was entitled to apply for U.S.
citizenship.

your mom *could* take US citizenship, *and* retain her Canadian
citizenship - neither govt forces you to choose only one
(unlike some countries - India, for example - that do)

However, the US govt would remove dad's US citizenship if dad took
another citizenship that he did not gain by birth/parentage,
(ie: if he moved to Canada & took Canadian citizenship).
I'm confused here. You state that if U.S. dad decided to move to Canada
with
Canadian mom and take out Canadian citizenship then he would have his U.S.
citizenship taken away. How is that different from Canadian mom moving to
the States with her U.S. husband and taking out U.S. citizenship? Isn't
that
the same situation but reversed? Both spouses would be taking out
citizenship of a country they weren't born in originally or through
parentage.

My source for all this info is my experience as a green card
holder in the US, and applying for US citizenship, before changing
direction and becoming a Landed Immigrant in Canada, then becoming
a citizen of Canada, and all the associated research of the laws
during these legal processes.

And, yes, I also retain my birth citizenship, which is British :)
Can you legally vote in Canada *and* Britain then?

Sharry (Up in T.O. keepin' jive alive)





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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:30:04 EDT
From: bberry1112@...
Subject: Re: the 3 "Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young" books

My 3 books have also arrived.
From what I've seen these are the most compressive books I've ever seen
about
the 4 lads. Some excellent pictures!!!
Thanks Francesco for all of your dedication to get the books out....the
wait
was WELL worth it!!!

I can't wait to actually read them!

Bruce Berry *I came here to sing and work* (Mike Durham)



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:57:33 -0700
From: "threads" <threads@...>
Subject: another

test
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:27:23 -0700
From: "andy & jana thomas" <ajthomas2@...>
Subject: dylan in denver (nnc)

i thought i would check to see if any rusties are going to the dylan show
in
denver. if so, i was wondering if there are any good bars near the pepsi
center to hang out before the show? thanks.
andy



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:54:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Christmann <josenoruego@...>
Subject: Ben Folds admires Neil

Hey all,

I was listening to NPR today in my truck, and they did
a little segment on Ben Folds, talking about how he is
interacting with the audience at his solo piano shows.


Ben mentioned that Neil had made a big impression on
him when they did several shows together on the HORDE
97 tour. Ben said he admired the way Neil could take a
15,000 seat venue and make it seem like a living room.

Yeah.

Joe

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:02:26 -0000
From: "bjsleeman" <bjsleeman@...>
Subject: CSNY on TV

The Storytellers episode on Friday, Oct 26, at 6 pm EST on VH1.



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:16:22 EDT
From: Randy944s@...
Subject: Re: Transfering your Neil LPs to CD-Rs



William Lau wrote:

<< I just received CD-Rs of some of the lost 6. The sound of them is
surprisingly vivid, especially OTB. To me the sound quality is even
better than the CD version of Tonight's The Night. I don't have
vinyls or LP player. But has anyone tried transfering their Neil LPs
to CD-Rs and compare them to the CD version? >>


I've done some vinyl to cd-r transfers and have been quite pleased with
the
results for the most part, although if you start out with a lousy vinyl
mix
to begin with, then that's basically what you're also going to end up with
on
the cd-r you transfer it to. One thing that I have been able to do on some
vinyl recordings with a "low" sounding mix, (mostly older recordings), is
to
bump the record levels up just a bit on the transfer to cd-r, which
usually
seems to slightly improve the sound quality of the original vinyl
recording,
at least to my ears it does. Thankfully, I've also kept most of my old
vinyl
records in near-mint condition over the years, so I get mostly smooth and
"pop" free recordings as well.

Randy



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:46:17 -0700
From: "Jeff B" <jefeb@...>
Subject: I have 2 extras in the Rust row for Sunday

Subjet sez it all, if you need a pair, please let me know.

Jefe


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:58:45 -0700
From: Four Strong Winds <twobase@...>
Subject: Saratoga Springs Campground - nnc

Wow! I can't believe how easily I was able to find an old campspot we used
to use back in the late 60's. It's hiden completely by trees in a ravine
and
it has a nice cold creek running right through it, plus you can't be seen
at
all from the road which goes right past it. I'm sure that the local
Kootenai
Indians would've used this spot as a camp at the turn of the century.
I wish I found it this easy to find the Saratoga Springs Campground. I've
got the mapquest directions but they don't seem to make much sense. Oh
well,
I'll handwrite them out for tomorrow ot Saturday a.m. just in case. One
way
or t'other we'll hunt fer the campground and probably find it. If
someone's
able, could you email me directions to get from Hwy 101, SF Int'l Airport
to
Saratoga Springs Campground? Tx. Gina and I will leave Trail tomorrow at
9:00 a.m.
I gave the neighbour heck the other day 'cause his dog was usin' my lawn
as
a pet latrine. We almost came to blows and he said "If yer gonna hit me,
Saddle Boy, make it yer best shot 'cause it'll be yer last stand. Yeah,
it'll be yer last stand." I replied "I'm sittin', no Bull!"
Yeah, if someone could direct my own self to the IRF campground via hwy
101
from the SF Int'l Airport, maybe email me with directions, I oghtta be
able
to take care o' drawin' myself a map tomorrah a.m. I often wish I still
was
with my Native girlfriend from Fort St. James, B.C. She could find any
place
you mentioned, plus find a shortcut to it too.
Well, time to hit the hay, Folks.

Tx
fRed Sun




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:44:36 -0700
From: "Gus" <mgus@...>
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday IRF

Our resident Hippy Girl said, regarding the FIRST IRF:
Nothing can ever replace the spontanaety of that
first jam. Musicians from all over the place just playing music
together.
Very cool indeed.
Gus replies: Still one of the highlights of my life!!! Brought my
guitar
and amp all the way down from Canada. Bought a van special for the trip,
so
I could bring everything. Got to JAM with Rich Hand, Uli on bass, and Brad
"Barn" Brandeau part of the time on drums. One Very Special Night for
this
Canuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gus



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:09:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ho Young Kim <brdwaykochan@...>
Subject: Manassas Live & Studio Outtakes Offer

Thanks to Ted Greenwald, I have this Manassas disc of
live and studio performances to offer back to the
list. I can offer one freebie and a few trades. Please
contact me off list. Have a good day! Ho Young

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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:20:16 -0400
From: "Steve and Sue Parker" <sparker5@...>
Subject: neil sprirt...pass it on

rusties......

i'm hearing re*act*or on cdr all the way thru without having to turn the
lp
after "get back on it" for the first time in my life.......comon
down.........ain't got no t-bone.......get back on it....

no gettin up.....

ya'll have a great weekend.....



sparker

im standing in my line




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:22:36 +0100
From: "Paul Borrett" <pborrett@...>
Subject: Spares to trade

I have the following spares available for trade:

Belgium 3/7/93 2 discs
Paris 23/3/76 2 discs
Chicago Hurricane 15/11/76 1 disc
Cincinnati 25/2/70 2 discs

If anyone is interested then please contact me off list.

All the best,

Paul

Let the good times roll




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