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Roger all… As I said, there are numerous Windows solutions to the problem.? The one I’m familiar with is PowerArchiver which does it also. ? Perry K4PWO ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 09:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released ? Perry,
7-Zip or newer WinZips can deal with the compressed tarball.
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Perry,
7-Zip or newer WinZips can deal with the compressed tarball.
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To elucidate:
What's a tarball? - or - How do I unpack or create a .tgz or .tar.gz file?
Answer:
Most Unix software on the net is distributed in the form of a tarball. This just means that all the files have been packed into a tar file, which has been compressed with gzip to save space. The file name thus ends up having extension .tar.gz. Sometimes this is shortened to .tgz.
To unpack a tarball:
tar zxvf filename
To list the files in a tarball:
tar ztvf filename
To make a new tarball fred.tar.gz from a directory fred:
tar zcvf fred.tar.gz fred
or
tar cvf fred.tar fred ; gzip fred.tar
If all those cvfs and zxvfs make your head spin, refer to this table, which explains what they all mean:
c create an archive
f filename the name of the archive file
t table of contents: tell me what's in an archive
v verbose: tell me what's going on
x extract from an archive
z put the archive through gzip
HTH,
Michael WA7SKG
Perry Ogletree wrote on 11/1/19 10:07 PM:
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/Thanks! I had always equated “tar” and “tarball” packed files as alike, going all the way back to the old Unix TAR command. Still learning after 40 years in computers./
/In any event, Windows needs help to deal with either where as it is native in ‘nux OS./
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/Perry/
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*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Dave Slotter, W3DJS
*Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2019 06:32 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released
Perry,
TAR format... TAR stands for "Tape ARchive". It's a collection of files. Please don't confuse file.tar with file.tar.gz (also called a "tarball"). A *.tar file is uncompressed. A *.tar.gz is compressed. A *.tar.bz2 is also compressed.
Hope this helps.
73,
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Thanks! I had always equated “tar” and “tarball” packed files as alike, going all the way back to the old Unix TAR command. Still learning after 40 years in computers. In any event, Windows needs help to deal with either where as it is native in ‘nux OS. ? Perry ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 06:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released ? Perry, TAR format... TAR stands for "Tape ARchive". It's a collection of files. Please don't confuse file.tar with file.tar.gz (also called a "tarball"). A *.tar file is uncompressed. A *.tar.gz is compressed. A *.tar.bz2 is also compressed. Hope this helps. 73,
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On 10/31/19 5:38 PM, Marty Hartwell wrote: USB disk that can be configured to be root disk ?I do not recommend any type of Solid State disk for '/' or '/swap'. An SD card is solid state, as are USB thumb/flash drives and SSHDs. A small cheap 2.5" magnetic spinning USB drive makes a fine '/' and/or /'swap' filesystem. '/boot' is fine on the SD card as it is read only. $0.02 Chuck
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A 'tar' file is sort of a package, often referred to as a "tarball". It can be one or many files. It is often zipped, which can be a number of formats, usually adding an additional extension like file.tar.gz. You can extract the files using the 'tar' command. I believe it works the same in MACOS as it does in Linux. Use something like "tar -xzf file.tar.gz" which will generally decompress and extract all the files.
If the MAC supports man pages, you can use "man tar" on the command line to read about tar. You can get basic option info with tar --help or tar -H.
HTH,
Michael WA7SKG
KE3KQ wrote on 11/1/19 2:30 PM:
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Ok, slowly making some progress after numerous download fits and starts. All this in MacOS 10.15.1
Got a copy that was compressed in bzip2 and managed to get it to uncompress from the command line which resulted in a .tar file. Simply double clicking the file seems to decompress it but the resulting file does not work in Etcher.
GalenaEtcher does not seem to know what to do with the .tar file (18.36 GB). When trying to make the image selection the .tar file is light grey and cannot be selected.
This is such a great idea, I hope I can file flashed onto the SD card.
*** Ben KE3KQ
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Dave,
Unless you don't give it the correct extension name and confuse the hell out of everyone.? :)
In that case, the "file" command is your friend.
Mark KD0QYN
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 6:32:44 PM CDT, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:
Perry,
TAR format... TAR stands for "Tape ARchive". It's a collection of files. Please don't confuse file.tar with file.tar.gz (also called a "tarball"). A *.tar file is uncompressed. A *.tar.gz is compressed. A *.tar.bz2 is also compressed.
Hope this helps.
73,
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Perry,
TAR format... TAR stands for "Tape ARchive". It's a collection of files. Please don't confuse file.tar with file.tar.gz (also called a "tarball"). A *.tar file is uncompressed. A *.tar.gz is compressed. A *.tar.bz2 is also compressed.
Hope this helps.
73,
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Not trying to be a jerk, but tar files are not compressed by default.? The right set of command line options have to be enabled for it to be compressed.
Mark KD0QYN
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 4:38:51 PM CDT, Perry Ogletree <pogletree@...> wrote:
A "tar" file is still compressed like a zip file. You need to un-compress it to get the image file for Etcher. In Windows, I like PowerArchiver, as it un-"zips" many compression formats. I'm sure there are other tools that can do it (native tools in Linux) in Windows, etc.
Perry K4PWO
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of KE3KQ Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 04:30 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released Ok, slowly making some progress after numerous download fits and starts.? All this in MacOS 10.15.1 Got a copy that was compressed in bzip2 and managed to get it to uncompress from the command line which resulted in a .tar file.? Simply double clicking the file seems to decompress it but the resulting file does not work in Etcher. GalenaEtcher does not seem to know what to do with the .tar file (18.36 GB).? When trying to make the image selection the .tar file is light grey and cannot be selected. This is such a great idea, I hope I can file flashed onto the SD card. *** Ben KE3KQ
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A "tar" file is still compressed like a zip file. You need to un-compress it to get the image file for Etcher. In Windows, I like PowerArchiver, as it un-"zips" many compression formats. I'm sure there are other tools that can do it (native tools in Linux) in Windows, etc.
Perry K4PWO
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of KE3KQ Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 04:30 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released Ok, slowly making some progress after numerous download fits and starts. All this in MacOS 10.15.1 Got a copy that was compressed in bzip2 and managed to get it to uncompress from the command line which resulted in a .tar file. Simply double clicking the file seems to decompress it but the resulting file does not work in Etcher. GalenaEtcher does not seem to know what to do with the .tar file (18.36 GB). When trying to make the image selection the .tar file is light grey and cannot be selected. This is such a great idea, I hope I can file flashed onto the SD card. *** Ben KE3KQ
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Etcher should be able to read the .tar.gz file directly if I recall... so you have a couple of choices:
1:--------------- gzip filename.tar # <turns it back into a .tar.gz open with etcher and burn or 2:-------------------- tar -x filename.tar # <turns it into a raw disk image open with etcher and burn
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:30 PM KE3KQ < ben@...> wrote: Ok, slowly making some progress after numerous download fits and starts.? All this in MacOS 10.15.1
Got a copy that was compressed in bzip2 and managed to get it to uncompress from the command line which resulted in a .tar file.? ?Simply double clicking the file seems to decompress it but the resulting file does not work in Etcher.
GalenaEtcher does not seem to know what to do with the .tar file (18.36 GB).? ?When trying to make the image selection the .tar file is light grey and cannot be selected.
This is such a great idea, I hope I can file flashed onto the SD card.
*** Ben KE3KQ
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Ok, slowly making some progress after numerous download fits and starts. All this in MacOS 10.15.1
Got a copy that was compressed in bzip2 and managed to get it to uncompress from the command line which resulted in a .tar file. Simply double clicking the file seems to decompress it but the resulting file does not work in Etcher.
GalenaEtcher does not seem to know what to do with the .tar file (18.36 GB). When trying to make the image selection the .tar file is light grey and cannot be selected.
This is such a great idea, I hope I can file flashed onto the SD card.
*** Ben KE3KQ
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Perry,
Yes, as I said, USB drive I/O will be much faster than an SD card. even if it is a "regular" HD and not a solid state drive.? I could go on and on but no one wants to hear my rants.? :)
The Raspberry Pi was designed for experimentation, so do what you feel you want to do, and learn as you go!
Mark KD0QYN
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 11:24:53 AM CDT, Perry Ogletree <afa4nq@...> wrote:
Most of the people going to “disk” storage are using a small (120/240 Gb) SSD in a USB 3.0 housing.? You will see improved boot times and better overall response. ? Perry K4PWO ?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 05:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released ? Now-a-days, SD cards are pretty robust so there is no need to buy an extra USB hard drive.? That only makes it harder to power the Pi as you also need to provide power to the HD. If you use Class 10 SD cards, or U1-3, you will have years of hard use.? I have a Class 10 32GB SD card I have been using for nearly 4 years in my development Pi and it still works perfectly.? I've also had hard drives that last years and years, and some that fail quickly.? That's why I back everything up regularly.? I recommend Class 10 cards for all my projects and no one has every had a failure that I am aware of.? That is all I use. Of course, the fastest SD card can't compare to the speed of a USB 3.0 disk drive for I/O, but let's face it....the vast majority of what we do with the RaspPi's will never need those speeds.? 10MB/s is still pretty fast. In every situation I have seen, you still need an SD card in the Pi to boot from, and then you can configure it to switch to the USB drive.? I don't think the Pi 4 is any different. Something else to consider, my Pi3's run about 20 degrees cooler than the Pi4, which seems to just be a hotter device.? I installed a set of those cheap Internet cooling fins and it didn't make any difference.? A case with a fan might be required on these, especially if you are intending to drive it hard. Something else to consume power. On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 4:39:29 PM CDT, Marty Hartwell <mhartwe@...> wrote: I will be placing my order for the Pi4 with the 4GB memory. I will be looking at the time of order what will be available for loading I may be able to order a disk at that time. . I have seen mention of using a more robust USB disk that can be configured to be root disk is there information on this option or what is you opinion of this? Marty kd8bj ? ? On 10/31/2019 3:19 PM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS wrote: Hi Marty,
32GB Micro SD cards are available for just slightly under $10, or less than going out to lunch (around where I live anyway).
Good luck with the download and install!
Please remember to read the README.TXT. It has some important info, like why the "network doesn't seem to work".
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That hint saved a lot of Googling. So the wifi hotspot password is “1234567890”. ?And in that file is the WiFi country that defines your channels. The comment tells you to edit if you are not in GB. ?But of course it has already been changed to US. ?Remember to set up locale and time zone if not in US. ?Not picking up time from internet yet, clock seems to pick up from when the image was created.
73?
Bob
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Coming in late so excuse me, but you HAVE put all the bootcode bins etc from the root directory of the regular rasbian distro for the 4 to that one right?
just a thought as running on a 4 without the rpi4 bootcode in the fat section would cause it not to boot
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On 10/31/2019 11:24 AM, Nick Norman wrote: On 31/10/2019 14:58, Walter Holmes K5WH wrote:
I just pulled down a NEW image via the torrent site as well, and the file size is the same as what I got yesterday, burned it to an SD card, and have the same results on a RPI4 4-gig version.
It still won???t boot.
Walter/K5WH Walter,
Stupid question but did you 'burn' the file as xxx.img so there is one
file on the SD card or did you use something like etcher to turn the SD
card into a disc with (I expect) 2 partitions on?
Just asking to be sure there is no confusion ...
Regards/73
Nick
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For those, like me, not in the know ...
here's what IPFS is ...
InterPlanetary File System
David KD4E
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For those that asked for it (nobody, hihi) here's an IPFS
hash for W3DJS' compressed image:
IPFS Hash - QmWZgEwYkvTUiP247mVuEP2q3rwooXzPNKeZ4C43xqwPq2
If you do not have IPFS installed on your PC, and want to
use a more traditional 'download from webpage' link, click
here:
Hope this helps!
Steve KC1AWV
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For those that asked for it (nobody, hihi) here's an IPFS hash for W3DJS' compressed image:
IPFS Hash - QmWZgEwYkvTUiP247mVuEP2q3rwooXzPNKeZ4C43xqwPq2
If you do not have IPFS installed on your PC, and want to use a more traditional 'download from webpage' link, click here:
Hope this helps!
Steve KC1AWV
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:04 PM Dave Slotter, W3DJS < slotter@...> wrote: Now that the initial deluge of downloads and support has passed, I wanted to make a couple brief comments:
Please do remember this is QSL-ware. So if you do enjoy using the image, I'd appreciate a QSL card. And I do support the charity,?, which supports fathers who have very little say over their children during custody matters in family courts. So if you folks feel inclined, I would appreciate a donation made to?. Even $3 helps.
Good luck using this, and do please read the README.docx or README.TXT for important instructions.
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I will be working on a v3 image, but likely this will take a couple of months to develop. I will focus on decreasing the overall size of the image while retaining functionality. And I will also focus on an automated, rather than manual build process. Like I said, this will take a couple of months to develop, because it has to be done on my free time.
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Now that the initial deluge of downloads and support has passed, I wanted to make a couple brief comments:
Please do remember this is QSL-ware. So if you do enjoy using the image, I'd appreciate a QSL card. And I do support the charity,?, which supports fathers who have very little say over their children during custody matters in family courts. So if you folks feel inclined, I would appreciate a donation made to?. Even $3 helps.
Good luck using this, and do please read the README.docx or README.TXT for important instructions.
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I will be working on a v3 image, but likely this will take a couple of months to develop. I will focus on decreasing the overall size of the image while retaining functionality. And I will also focus on an automated, rather than manual build process. Like I said, this will take a couple of months to develop, because it has to be done on my free time.
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Most of the people going to “disk” storage are using a small (120/240 Gb) SSD in a USB 3.0 housing.? You will see improved boot times and better overall response. ? Perry K4PWO ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 05:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] W3DJS Raspberry Pi Ham Radio Image v2.0 Released? Now-a-days, SD cards are pretty robust so there is no need to buy an extra USB hard drive.? That only makes it harder to power the Pi as you also need to provide power to the HD. If you use Class 10 SD cards, or U1-3, you will have years of hard use.? I have a Class 10 32GB SD card I have been using for nearly 4 years in my development Pi and it still works perfectly.? I've also had hard drives that last years and years, and some that fail quickly.? That's why I back everything up regularly.? I recommend Class 10 cards for all my projects and no one has every had a failure that I am aware of.? That is all I use. Of course, the fastest SD card can't compare to the speed of a USB 3.0 disk drive for I/O, but let's face it....the vast majority of what we do with the RaspPi's will never need those speeds.? 10MB/s is still pretty fast. In every situation I have seen, you still need an SD card in the Pi to boot from, and then you can configure it to switch to the USB drive.? I don't think the Pi 4 is any different. Something else to consider, my Pi3's run about 20 degrees cooler than the Pi4, which seems to just be a hotter device.? I installed a set of those cheap Internet cooling fins and it didn't make any difference.? A case with a fan might be required on these, especially if you are intending to drive it hard. Something else to consume power. On Thursday, October 31, 2019, 4:39:29 PM CDT, Marty Hartwell <mhartwe@...> wrote: I will be placing my order for the Pi4 with the 4GB memory. I will be looking at the time of order what will be available for loading I may be able to order a disk at that time. . I have seen mention of using a more robust USB disk that can be configured to be root disk is there information on this option or what is you opinion of this? Marty kd8bj ? ? On 10/31/2019 3:19 PM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS wrote: Hi Marty,
32GB Micro SD cards are available for just slightly under $10, or less than going out to lunch (around where I live anyway).
Good luck with the download and install!
Please remember to read the README.TXT. It has some important info, like why the "network doesn't seem to work".
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Thanks Al. Its now downloading as a trickle rather than a deluge. But hey ho - time will tell. And I must order my RasPi 4 now.
73 Roger M0ROJ
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Michael WA7SKG
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DavidC KD4E
Steve KC1AWV
Roger Reeves M0ROJ