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Raspberry Pi 5 vs. Box64

 

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One step forward, two steps back, one step forward again…

So, I’d been working to get VARA* running on my Pi 5. I reported some successes here (and will begin testing with IC-7200 on dummy load later today).

This morning, I ran an apt-get upgrade and saw box64 was updated. Oh noes! Sure enough, VARA had stopped working.

So, I poked around a bit. Turns out, there are numerous versions of box64 in the Raspberry Pi distro. (To be fair, I haven’t checked which package repository each of these came from.)

I tried a couple of them, booting with both the 8 kb page kernel and the 16 kb kernel. Eventually, I found one that works fine.

Note the package used here (below). “box64-rpi4arm64”. The box-64-generic-arm ones seem to be for 32 bit ARM CPUs, though I’m just guessing based on the names.

If anyone here has insight into what’s going on with these packages, please share. They seem to getting active updates right now.

In any case, VARA is running again here. Will report back on my hardware testing. *REALLY* hoping to decommission my Windows box I use for running my rig.

Cheers,

Ken van Wyk
Armata Scientia




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It is under heavy development you can use?


to keep box/wine packages functioning well on a pi

k
 

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Interesting!? I've never heard of this service but it could be a good thing.? A bunch of questions then become to mind:

?? 1. What kind of integrity / providence checks are made for me to trust this solution in it getting trustworthy / legit code?

?? 2. I've looked at a few of the included applications and many are just coming from the Raspberry Pi OS repos, maybe downloading flatpats, etc.? This seems like this is a form of an "appstore" that helps users download stuff from other places though it's not clear if those sources are really the newest, etc.

?? 3. It's unclear if these downloaded programs will be the bleeding edge versionof each application, maybe the most stable version?? Are they actually tested?


One could argue if even the official Raspberry Pi OS repos or even the Debian repos do #2 or #3 but the existing "Debian process" does a decent job on #1.

--David
KI6ZHD


It is under heavy development you can use?


to keep box/wine packages functioning well on a pi

k
 

On 1/31/2024 3:58 PM, David Ranch wrote:

One could argue if even the official Raspberry Pi OS repos or even the Debian repos do #2 or #3 but the existing "Debian process" does a decent job on #1.
I don't know what's going on...

Used to be, I'd download an image, flash it, and be good to go. Today I downloaded the current version of Bookworm and finally gave up after four attempts using Balena Etcher and two different TF cards and two different USB adapters.?? Failed verification every time,? and to make sure it wasn't just Windows messing with the card, I tried each one in a Pi 4 and none would boot with a message saying to "insert SD card".? Finally went to the 32 bit version and it worked the first time, no verification errors with everything else the same.

And that process is all because I've given up trying to use the Raspberry Pi Imager - it fails verification every time and others say their experience has been the same.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the code (because I doubt there is) but when the way of proving integrity is a checksum and it fails, who knows?

73, Bob W9RAN
 

I have never had an issue with the raspberry pi imager.? You do have to have the latest version.? Older versions do not work with bookworm.? I believe the latest is 1.8.4 or 1.8.5
Being on the raspberry pi forums and also beta testing, I have not seen any instances of, or complaints about it failing verification.? If you are using the latest version, I would suspect your USB to Micro SD adapter or USB port.?
And I gave up on balena etcher over a year ago as it was random hit and miss as to whether it actually worked or not

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On Jan 31, 2024, at 14:20, w9ran <ranickels@...> wrote:

On 1/31/2024 3:58 PM, David Ranch wrote:

 One could argue if even the official Raspberry Pi OS repos or even the 
 Debian repos do #2 or #3 but the existing "Debian process" does a 
 decent job on #1.

I don't know what's going on...

Used to be, I'd download an image, flash it, and be good to go. Today I 
downloaded the current version of Bookworm and finally gave up after 
four attempts using Balena Etcher and two different TF cards and two 
different USB adapters.?? Failed verification every time,? and to make 
sure it wasn't just Windows messing with the card, I tried each one in a 
Pi 4 and none would boot with a message saying to "insert SD card".? 
Finally went to the 32 bit version and it worked the first time, no 
verification errors with everything else the same.

And that process is all because I've given up trying to use the 
Raspberry Pi Imager - it fails verification every time and others say 
their experience has been the same.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the code (because I doubt 
there is) but when the way of proving integrity is a checksum and it 
fails, who knows?

73, Bob W9RAN
 

On 1/31/2024 6:14 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Being on the raspberry pi forums and also beta testing, I have not seen any instances of, or complaints about it failing verification.? If you are using the latest version, I would suspect your USB to Micro SD adapter or USB port.
Well I tried again, using the latest Imager downloaded today and the 64 bit Bookworm version and it failed verification as usual. "Error reading from storage.? SD card may be broken".

So I thought let's try to get some data.? I found a memory card tester called H2testw and ran it and sure enough, here are the results:

Warning: Only 14751 of 14752 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
14.4 GByte OK (30209326 sectors)
361 KByte DATA LOST (722 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
361 KByte corrupted (722 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000002bd92200
Expected: 0x000000002bd92200
Found: 0x2200220022002200
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 7.74 MByte/s
Reading speed: 17.5 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4

Just a guess, but a loss of 361KB out of 16MB might be tolerable if you're recording video or other applications where a checksum isn't done...and this is a Toshiba branded TF card, not some bargain-basement special.???? So maybe the Imager is telling me the truth after all ;-)

73, Bob W9RAN
 

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Have you tried a variety of different SD cards (manufacturer, size, etc) to see if you can get a pass?

--David
KI6ZHD


On 01/31/2024 09:01 PM, w9ran wrote:

On 1/31/2024 6:14 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Being on the raspberry pi forums and also beta testing, I have not seen any instances of, or complaints about it failing verification.? If you are using the latest version, I would suspect your USB to Micro SD adapter or USB port.

Well I tried again, using the latest Imager downloaded today and the 64 bit Bookworm version and it failed verification as usual. "Error reading from storage.? SD card may be broken".

So I thought let's try to get some data.? I found a memory card tester called H2testw and ran it and sure enough, here are the results:

Warning: Only 14751 of 14752 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
14.4 GByte OK (30209326 sectors)
361 KByte DATA LOST (722 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
361 KByte corrupted (722 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000002bd92200
Expected: 0x000000002bd92200
Found: 0x2200220022002200
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 7.74 MByte/s
Reading speed: 17.5 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4

Just a guess, but a loss of 361KB out of 16MB might be tolerable if you're recording video or other applications where a checksum isn't done...and this is a Toshiba branded TF card, not some bargain-basement special.???? So maybe the Imager is telling me the truth after all ;-)

73, Bob W9RAN






 

On Wednesday, January 31st, 2024 at 14:20, w9ran <ranickels@...> wrote:

Used to be, I'd download an image, flash it, and be good to go. Today I
downloaded the current version of Bookworm and finally gave up after
four attempts using Balena Etcher and two different TF cards and two
different USB adapters. Failed verification every time, and to make
sure it wasn't just Windows messing with the card, I tried each one in a
Pi 4 and none would boot with a message saying to "insert SD card".
Finally went to the 32 bit version and it worked the first time, no
verification errors with everything else the same.
Were you trying to boot the new OS image on a RasPi Zero, 1, or 2? A
64-bit OS image not working implies that you were trying to run it on a
32-bit only unit.

The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
WWW:
Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.
 

Just a note that VARA 4.8.3 works on a fully updated pi5 64bit, wine 9, box build Jan 27 6:22

which is the latest packages via apt, I was using pi-apps to manage the updates for box/wine.?

K
 

In the OP's original post. He stated it was a pi5

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On Feb 1, 2024, at 08:55, "The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]" <drwho@...> wrote:

On Wednesday, January 31st, 2024 at 14:20, w9ran <ranickels@...> wrote:

 Used to be, I'd download an image, flash it, and be good to go. Today I
 downloaded the current version of Bookworm and finally gave up after
 four attempts using Balena Etcher and two different TF cards and two
 different USB adapters. Failed verification every time, and to make
 sure it wasn't just Windows messing with the card, I tried each one in a
 Pi 4 and none would boot with a message saying to "insert SD card".
 Finally went to the 32 bit version and it worked the first time, no
 verification errors with everything else the same.

Were you trying to boot the new OS image on a RasPi Zero, 1, or 2?  A
64-bit OS image not working implies that you were trying to run it on a
32-bit only unit.

The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
WWW: /
Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.
 

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On Feb 1, 2024, at 1:58?PM, Kelly K7MHI via groups.io <kellykeeton@...> wrote:

Just a note that VARA 4.8.3 works on a fully updated pi5 64bit, wine 9, box build Jan 27 6:22


I’m seeing the same here. I connected my Pi 5 to my Icom 7100 today for some live fire trials, after passing the dummy load tests yesterday.

All good so far. I was able to do VARA HF and VARA HF P2P successfully. Haven’t yet tried FM, but HF is rocking, for sure.

I still want to do more testing, but with luck, in the next couple of weeks, my Winlink Wednesday alternative NCS will be running on a Pi 5. Heck, I might well even retire that old Windows 10 PC (ptui!) and banish all things Microsoft from my network for good.

Still have a few things to setup, but the first tests have been solid. A few quirky user interface issues, but I can handle quirky.

Cheers,

Ken van Wyk
Armata Scientia


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