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Hey RaspberryPi 4 Ham Radio Group,
So I have been working on a project for some time now and I finally feel that it's ready for some other folks to take a look at it and test it out. If you're into using raspberry pi computers for ham radio I have created a repository of scripts/playbooks to setup, compile and maintain/update radio tools on the pi. I finally released a version 1.0.0 at There is some basic documentation in the README file stars and issues appreciated if you find anything. I have been testing on the latest raspberry pi OS and often use VNC to power my pis connected to radios in the shack. This isn't focused on portable operating out of the box but I do have scripts for setting up things like GPS time sync and real time clock modules. You may ask why you would use this over build a pi or other tools. The primary reason I created these was because Ansible(configuration management tool I'm using) is better at maintaining state than bash scripts and preventing redundant work during setup or updates. Thanks for any feedback and I hope someone finds it useful!
73,
DE K2EXE Mark
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I wish you well. Linux needs a more realistic method for software installation and maintenance. I appreciate you helping the Amateur Radio community. -- Jay
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Nice ?.. where is Qsstv?! :)
kelly?
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Linux already has at leas half a dozen methods of software installation and maintenance. That's what confuses some people. We don't need any more. On 28/05/2023 09:38 EDT Jay Lijoi <lijoi@...> wrote:
I wish you well. Linux needs a more realistic method for software installation and maintenance. I appreciate you helping the Amateur Radio community.
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Jay
WB2QQJ
Nigel A. Gunn, ///shoulders.outwards.resolutions tel +1-937-971-0366 Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF and GMRS WRBV701, e-mail nigel@... www
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...and that's the problem. If someone can create a simple installation and maintenance facility for Hams, I applaud them! -- Jay
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On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 08:57 AM, Nigel Gunn, G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
We don't need any more.
need anymore what? OM? emails like that? or helpful people to assist others in moving down the path? I also write an installer not as polished off. so add another to the list of confusion. full respect I understand your comment but to just be a old linux ham and say stuff like "we dont need any more" I actually think we do, windows 11 is horrible and getting worse so move everyone to linux!? as the OP who was just kindly showing off his project and likely wasn't expecting the sour grapes if you read the readme for his project - its hard not to agree. The other projects out there are done by hams who dont program; and bash has issues where Ansible helps with the collisions a bit. (bash vs Ansible debate never ends) --- I never did see the "DUR" user group project take off installer scripts like AUR did so .. shrug whats the difference to another installer? when I work with new linux users the "another installer" issue isnt normally the problems its getting them to use the command line and teaching them TAB will help them. anywho just a ransom transmission? 73
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I have to whole-heartedly? agree with Kelly and Jay....emails such as Nigel's hurt, rather than help the hobby.
I applaud any user taking the time to 'dip their toes in the water', and come up with their own methods for increasing offerings to the ham community.
Not everyone has tried Build-A-Pi/73 Linux or HamPi or DragonOS for ham-radio software suites, and as such, might find Mark's efforts to contribute something additionally worthwhile to the community a nice effort.
PLEASE, don't discourage individuals who want to benefit our 'mostly 'gracious user community.
Respectfully, Jerry - K4OAM
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 1:23?PM Kelly K7MHI via <kellykeeton= [email protected]> wrote: On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 08:57 AM, Nigel Gunn, G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
We don't need any more.
need anymore what? OM? emails like that?
or helpful people to assist others in moving down the path? I also write an installer not as polished off. so add another to the list of confusion.
full respect I understand your comment but to just be a old linux ham and say stuff like "we dont need any more" I actually think we do, windows 11 is horrible and getting worse so move everyone to linux!?
as the OP who was just kindly showing off his project and likely wasn't expecting the sour grapes if you read the readme for his project - its hard not to agree. The other projects out there are done by hams who dont program; and bash has issues where Ansible helps with the collisions a bit. (bash vs Ansible debate never ends)
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I never did see the "DUR" user group project take off installer scripts like AUR did so .. shrug whats the difference to another installer? when I work with new linux users the "another installer" issue isnt normally the problems its getting them to use the command line and teaching them TAB will help them.
anywho just a ransom transmission?
73
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Jerry,
?? You are so correct. Discouraging one? might cause others to shy away from forward thinking or thinking out of the box. He should of found out from the question why and help with explaining their view on how easy iy was with him and give directions how he did it. This is my 2 cents worth.
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Allen Higgins
Brunswick, Ohio
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Hurt what? We have more installation methods than we need that are causing people confusion. We need ONE installer that is comprehensive and works with ALL Linux systems that can be understood by all users.
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On 28/05/2023 15:06 EDT Jerry Rector - K4OAM <kb4oam@...> wrote:
I have to whole-heartedly agree with Kelly and Jay....emails such as Nigel's hurt, rather than help the hobby.
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And if he doesn't want another I staller all he has to do is not use it... I have noticed he seems to be argumentative in mail lists when his opinion differs from the masses... What he seems to completely miss is everyone is entitled to their opinion.? No one has the right to force their opinion down everyone's throats.
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Jerry,
?? You are so correct. Discouraging one? might cause others to shy away from forward thinking or thinking out of the box. He should of found out from the question why and help with explaining their view on how easy iy was with him and give directions how he did it. This is my 2 cents worth.
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Allen Higgins
Brunswick, Ohio
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You just don't get the fact that your opinion isn't "law".? If you want an installer that you feel is easy to use and works across all Linux distro's, then write one.? If you don't like what someone else is doing you don't have to use it.? However, shoving your opinion down everyone's throats trying to discourage them from doing something is being an ASS.? You aren't the almighty be-all end-all of what everyone should do.
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On May 28, 2023, at 14:25, "Nigel Gunn, G8IFF/W8IFF" < nigel@...> wrote:
Hurt what? We have more installation methods than we need that are causing people confusion. We need ONE installer that is comprehensive and works with ALL Linux systems that can be understood by all users.
On 28/05/2023 15:06 EDT Jerry Rector - K4OAM <kb4oam@...> wrote:
I have to whole-heartedly agree with Kelly and Jay....emails such as Nigel's hurt, rather than help the hobby.
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Would be nice, but it never works that way:
Nigel Gunn, G8IFF/W8IFF wrote on 5/28/23 14:25:
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Hurt what? We have more installation methods than we need that are causing people confusion. We need ONE installer that is comprehensive and works with ALL Linux systems that can be understood by all users.
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Nigel, don’t think your stiff comments “works that way” either like another apt repository key. A web comic would have been better to lead with not double down on, your about 60 years too late to advise on the future of the Linus OS and it’s 100+ distributions??
You changed the course of history with your sour grapes here? Or just pleased your self so we remember your still here to correct us with your wisdom? you even using a pi these days or switch to azure Linux??
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kOK, Guys. Lets stand down here. We don’t need another list full of altercations,
?- 73, Peter K2SPR
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On May 29, 2023, at 7:21 AM, Kelly K7MHI via groups.io <kellykeeton@...> wrote:
Nigel, don’t think your stiff comments “works that way” either like another apt repository key. A web comic would have been better to lead with not double down on, your about 60 years too late to advise on the future of the Linus OS and it’s 100+ distributions?? You changed the course of history with your sour grapes here? Or just pleased your self so we remember your still here to correct us with your wisdom? you even using a pi these days or switch to azure Linux??
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Indeed sorry for my allegations of using?azure Linux
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Also getting "undefined reference to: .LASF9861? .LASF9862? ? .LASF9863"
Sorry I cannot give you more specifics, but the hundreds of error messages are painted diagonally across the screen, and difficult to di-cypher.
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 2:34?AM Mark K2EXE < k2exe@...> wrote:
Hey RaspberryPi 4 Ham Radio Group,
So I have been working on a project for some time now and I finally feel that it's ready for some other folks to take a look at it and test it out. If you're into using raspberry pi computers for ham radio I have created a repository of scripts/playbooks to setup, compile and maintain/update radio tools on the pi. I finally released a version 1.0.0 at There is some basic documentation in the README file stars and issues appreciated if you find anything. I have been testing on the latest raspberry pi OS and often use VNC to power my pis connected to radios in the shack. This isn't focused on portable operating out of the box but I do have scripts for setting up things like GPS time sync and real time clock modules. You may ask why you would use this over build a pi or other tools. The primary reason I created these was because Ansible(configuration management tool I'm using) is better at maintaining state than bash scripts and preventing redundant work during setup or updates. Thanks for any feedback and I hope someone finds it useful!
73,
DE K2EXE Mark
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Thank you, Peter.
73,
Bill ?KU8H Bark less - wag more
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On May 29, 2023, at 10:53 AM, Peter McC via groups.io <peter@...> wrote:
? kOK, Guys. Lets stand down here. We don’t need another list full of altercations,
?- 73, Peter K2SPR On May 29, 2023, at 7:21 AM, Kelly K7MHI via groups.io <kellykeeton@...> wrote:
Nigel, don’t think your stiff comments “works that way” either like another apt repository key. A web comic would have been better to lead with not double down on, your about 60 years too late to advise on the future of the Linus OS and it’s 100+ distributions?? You changed the course of history with your sour grapes here? Or just pleased your self so we remember your still here to correct us with your wisdom? you even using a pi these days or switch to azure Linux??
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more...if this helps:
"DWARF error: found dwarf version '2819', this reader only handels version 2, 3, 4 and 5"
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 2:34?AM Mark K2EXE < k2exe@...> wrote:
Hey RaspberryPi 4 Ham Radio Group,
So I have been working on a project for some time now and I finally feel that it's ready for some other folks to take a look at it and test it out. If you're into using raspberry pi computers for ham radio I have created a repository of scripts/playbooks to setup, compile and maintain/update radio tools on the pi. I finally released a version 1.0.0 at There is some basic documentation in the README file stars and issues appreciated if you find anything. I have been testing on the latest raspberry pi OS and often use VNC to power my pis connected to radios in the shack. This isn't focused on portable operating out of the box but I do have scripts for setting up things like GPS time sync and real time clock modules. You may ask why you would use this over build a pi or other tools. The primary reason I created these was because Ansible(configuration management tool I'm using) is better at maintaining state than bash scripts and preventing redundant work during setup or updates. Thanks for any feedback and I hope someone finds it useful!
73,
DE K2EXE Mark
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I agree. There is no place in Ham Radio, or the world in general, for people who discourage others from trying to do good.
73 WA7ROI
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It's interesting to see all the comments about installing software with Linux.
FYIW, the Linux package manager is the preferred and aptly supported method to install software packages.? Packages means software distributions that have been "packaged" into an online repository with all the software library dependencies satisfied.? Using the package manager will insure you get a complete software install.? It also ensures updates and patches are distributed correctly.? This has been the Linux standard for as long as I can remember, maybe 30 years or more.
The package manager has a few front ends like apt-get or aptitude from the command line, or the cute graphical front ends that do basically the same thing.? You pick your poison.
Going to github and downloading a source code distribution and running make and make install is not the same thing.? People will do this because they want the very latest software and the versions in the online package repository are sometimes a version or two old.? However, if you want to be on the cutting edge (or bleeding edge as we used to call it), then get your stuff from github and deal with the problems that may come about.
The problem with the Linux repository is there is little control on who does what to it.? A complete software package can be replaced with an update that breaks other things.? Sometimes just the names or locations of certain files are changed for no apparent reason other than the guy who did the update didn't like the previous version.? Because this is all open sourced, you really are participating in a huge running experiment.? However, things now are much better than they were in the early days.? :)
Big companies pay BIG BUCKS to RedHat and SuSE Linux because they quarrentee software packages that are correct and up to date and things don't randomly change.? When you're running thousands of servers hosting web sites, you don't want them to break because a software update broke the database drivers and your whole online presence goes down for days.
I commend the guys that are trying to put ham radio apps together into a relatively easy to install package.? They are beset by lots of issues, but because one guy does it this way, and someone else does it another, and neither are using the package manager, you should at least give them a break for trying to make it easier.
It would be nice if everyone distributed their software using the package repository and the package manager, but for some reason they are reluctant to do so.? Perhaps because it is fairly involved to build a package and giving people access to their github is a lot easier.
Just my 2 cents.
Mark KD0QYN
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 8:38?AM Jay Lijoi < lijoi@...> wrote: I wish you well. Linux needs a more realistic method for software installation and maintenance. I appreciate you helping the Amateur Radio community.
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Jay
WB2QQJ
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Mark K2EXE
Nigel Gunn, G8IFF/W8IFF
Allen