On Jan 28, 2024, at 3:03?PM, Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> wrote: I think there is a misunderstanding. This group is not specific to the Raspberry Pi-4. The title uses the number "4" instead of the word "for". Kind of like P2P for "Point-to-Point”.
Thanks for that clarification. Mea culpa. I’d been scouring the interwebz for all things “Pi 5” and when I saw the 4 here, I assumed…
Glad to hear it’s more general Pi + radio, though.
And thank you David Ranch, for suggesting????
I’ll definitely give that a go.
I’d LOVE to be able to get this Pi 5 to the point of being a great control radio for my radios, and that means (for me) VARA HF, VARA FM, and Winlink Express are vital. (I could function without the latter using RadioMail on my iPhone, but the VARA TNCs are critical for me.) I sure wish they’d make a set of VARAs in native Linux, but that doesn’t seem likely, so WINE it is.
I made good progress over the weekend with Box64. It is compiled and passed all of its ctests. Haven’t done WINE itself yet, but will give that revised script (above) a go.
Meanwhile, I’m thrilled with the Pi 5 with a 1 Tb NVMe boot drive running at PCIe gen3 speed. For a truly lightweight “desktop” class computer, that’s pretty amazing.
Oh, and the other advantage of using this for radio operations is that it uses so little power, I can comfortably plug it into the USB-C 30 Watt outlet on my solar batter/charger system.
Have a great day.
73 de K0RvW
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I use a number of 12V monitors mobile and in my RV with LiFePo4 batteries whose charger supplies 14V to the bus. Never had a problem. In my experience, most 12V devices will usually run fine on 11.5-15V.
I use a buck converter in my RV to drop the 12V to 9V for my weather radio. I also have a couple 12V USB multi-port chargers. I have not run into any noise issues from them.
Michael WA7SKG
Terry Philbin wrote on 1/28/24 3:59 PM:
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The 27 w supply that I purchased from PiShop works just fine.? I'm thinking of using my rig mobile.? Will the trucks Electrical system (13.5v) be too much for a small monitor or fo I need a DC-DC converter?
Are buck converters too noisy for a SDRplay?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 16:24 Kelly K7MHI via groups.io <> <kellykeeton@... <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>> wrote:
Anyone find a good 5a supply to properly power the pi5 with yet?
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Re: Pineberry Pi SSD HATs
I can't speak directly to any Pi5 issues, but I have had good experiences with SparkFun.
Keating KC4HSI
What's funny is sparkfun was advertising a lot that they were taking pre-orders for the pi5's... Once they actually shipped from the pi foundation in October, I no longer see any of their advertisements on a lot of the pi project websites like I used to
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On Jan 28, 2024, at 13:12, John < radio@...> wrote:
Hi David,
I ordered my Pi-5 kit very nearly 5 months ago.? Somebody should start a list of suppliers that are not reliable.? Perhaps the ARRL can take on this task.? Come to think of it, I've not seen a SparkFun ad in QST.??
John,? WoGN
On 2024-01-28 12:59, David Ranch wrote:
I've been waiting on Sparkfun for three months now on an Rpi5-8GB kit and sent their support email list an email on Friday for a status as I'm getting very frustrated too.? While I got an automated email response, no real HUMAN reply yet.? I'll give them a few more days for a response or I'll cancel too.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 01/27/2024 07:32 PM, DavidC KD4E wrote:
I canceled my SparkFun order.
Got tired of waiting - while they show up for sale everywhere else.
The next time a buddy visits a MicroCenter in the Atlanta area,
he'll pick up a RPi 5 for me there.
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The 27 w supply that I purchased from PiShop works just fine.? I'm thinking of using my rig mobile.? Will the trucks Electrical system? (13.5v) be too much for a small monitor or fo I need a DC-DC converter?
Are buck converters too noisy for a SDRplay?
Anyone find a good 5a supply to properly power the pi5 with yet??
kelly
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Re: Pineberry Pi SSD HATs
What's funny is sparkfun was advertising a lot that they were taking pre-orders for the pi5's... Once they actually shipped from the pi foundation in October, I no longer see any of their advertisements on a lot of the pi project websites like I used to
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On Jan 28, 2024, at 13:12, John < radio@...> wrote:
Hi David,
I ordered my Pi-5 kit very nearly 5 months ago.? Somebody should start a list of suppliers that are not reliable.? Perhaps the ARRL can take on this task.? Come to think of it, I've not seen a SparkFun ad in QST.??
John,? WoGN
On 2024-01-28 12:59, David Ranch wrote:
I've been waiting on Sparkfun for three months now on an Rpi5-8GB kit and sent their support email list an email on Friday for a status as I'm getting very frustrated too.? While I got an automated email response, no real HUMAN reply yet.? I'll give them a few more days for a response or I'll cancel too.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 01/27/2024 07:32 PM, DavidC KD4E wrote:
I canceled my SparkFun order.
Got tired of waiting - while they show up for sale everywhere else.
The next time a buddy visits a MicroCenter in the Atlanta area,
he'll pick up a RPi 5 for me there.
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Re: RPi Kernel Panic on Bookworm
Hi everyone, It's been a few weeks since I've posted on this, but I've been busy working through testing and troubleshooting on multiple crashes. ?This might get a bit lengthy, so here's your mute switch to tap-out :) . ?TL;DR the ?bad news is that the Pi still consistently crashes regardless of what I've changed, but the good news is that I've duplicated the crash elsewhere. To summarize previous posts, the Pi had been crashing consistently "every few days", so I followed the utility advice of performing software and firmware updates; the system still crashed, however. ?I connected a serial console to the Pi to catch the kernel stack trace. ?The Pi's kernel blamed beacon for the crash, so I disabled beacons thinking it might be a workaround, but the crash came anyways. Since the last post I've introduced a 2nd Pi for testing, I'm referring to it as TEST and the original Pi as PROD. ?Following KI6ZHD's advice, I built the VE7FET replacement libax25 and tools on TEST and installed the packages (after removing disto default packages) on PROD. ?PROD crashed a few days later, but as an interesting note, the kernel trace blamed pat instead of beacon. ?I thought this detail was significant as beacon and pat are the only processes that produce UI frames, so my next test was to remove the beacon configuration from pat on the PROD Pi.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, PROD crashed again. Next up was another KI6ZHD suggestion to to bounce the AX.25 stack after a clean reboot, however PROD crashed several days past the reboot and stack bounce. ?At this point I backed out the VE7FET packages, trying to get back to a baseline configuration. One interesting item that came out of this crash was the time of day, 9:15a local; more on that later. ?Another item was some self-inflicted "complexity" on the ax.25 stack on PROD. ?Without going into details (would be lengthy), I removed this complexity, but PROD crashed again at 9:15a a few days later (today). So, that's the bad news, but there is a bit of good news. ?Sometime early on, I started working on building a second Pi (TEST) to reproduce this crash. ?The thought was to reduce the time it takes to test ideas by running multiple tests in parallel. ?As it turns out, getting TEST to crash has been elusive. ?On the initial build, I imaged the TEST SD card from the same Raspbian image, manually built the AX.25 stack and configured a dummy sound device. ?This build ran for 2 weeks, beaconing every 60 seconds with out a crash. On the second iteration, I built TEST by dd'ing PROD's SD card to TEST's SD card. ?The thought was that I must have missed some critical configuration, thus a block for block copy would solve that. ?On booting TEST, I changed a minimum number of items; just what was required for it to operate. ?I changed the hostname, configured snd-dummy and swapped out the audio device in Direwolf; I commented out Pat's scheduler so it wouldn't steal my email, and set beacons to 60s. ?I let this build of TEST run for about 9 days before I decided that it had failed to produce a crash. Since TEST is using snd-dummy and is essentially an echo chamber, the thought occurred to me that the crash might need a chain of events that require the kernel to hear traffic and enter some state prior to the crash. ?I ordered an additional CM108 card for TEST and proceeded to wire a tap into my radio connection, routing RX audio and ground to the CM108. ?This allowed TEST to hear, but not speak and a crash followed about 6-7 days later. I mentioned the significance of 9:15a earlier; 9:15a is the time that pat is scheduled to check my mail on PROD. ?I have witnessed at least 3 crashes around 9:15a, which should be a big, red flag. ?However, I say "about", because I've noted crashes that happen moments before my mail is checked and even crashes that happen in the minutes after my mail is retrieved. ?Recall that I disabled the pat schedule on TEST; that crash occurred sometime later in the day (11a?), but the kernel still blamed pat . ?I think pat is just the thing that happens to be generating traffic, and the schedule simply coalesces the time of day that crash happens. So fresh out of good ideas, yet flush with bad ones, I'm at a bit of an impasse. ?Does anyone have any ideas for me? One bad idea I have is to shutoff pat entirely; however, the lesson learned from shutting off beacon is that the crash will just stem from some other process using the AX.25 stack. ?That would just prove the producer of the crash is mobile, but not help me to work around it. Another bad idea would be to recompile the kernel on TEST to produce the core and debug symbols needed to trace the crash. ?That seems like a fair bit of work and I'm not really confident the output would be useful. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. ?In lieu of any good ideas, I plan to proceed with the bad ones mentioned above. :) ? Thanks ? Mike
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Hi David,
I ordered my Pi-5 kit very nearly 5 months ago.? Somebody should start a list of suppliers that are not reliable.? Perhaps the ARRL can take on this task.? Come to think of it, I've not seen a SparkFun ad in QST.??
John,? WoGN
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On 2024-01-28 12:59, David Ranch wrote:
I've been waiting on Sparkfun for three months now on an Rpi5-8GB kit and sent their support email list an email on Friday for a status as I'm getting very frustrated too.? While I got an automated email response, no real HUMAN reply yet.? I'll give them a few more days for a response or I'll cancel too.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 01/27/2024 07:32 PM, DavidC KD4E wrote:
I canceled my SparkFun order.
Got tired of waiting - while they show up for sale everywhere else.
The next time a buddy visits a MicroCenter in the Atlanta area,
he'll pick up a RPi 5 for me there.
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Ken,
I think there is a misunderstanding. This group is not specific to the Raspberry Pi-4. The title uses the number "4" instead of the word "for". Kind of like P2P for "Point-to-Point".
In my experience with this list, anything concerning any Raspberry Pi and ham radio is welcome.
I hope your project goes well.
73,
Michael WA7SKG
Kenneth R. van Wyk wrote on 1/28/24 4:06 AM:
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Okay, so I know this group focuses on Pi 4, but I’m seeing traffic about Pi 5 availability as well, so I hope it’s okay to assume the 5 is welcome here too? [Moderator: Kill my message if I’m incorrect.]
Like many, I’m working on a Pi 5 build. I currently have my 5 (8 Gb) running with the Pimoroni NVMe Base board and a 1 Tb Sabrent Rocket SSD. (RUNS GREAT!)
I’m hoping to be able to run VARA HF/FM on it using Box64 + Wine. Ultimately, my aim is to run my alternate NCS for Winlink Wednesdays using my Icom 7100 and a Raspberry Pi rig control computer.
I looked at was hoping it would be what I needed, but it doesn’t (yet?) support the 5.
So, being as patient as a sneeze, I set about to build Box64 and install Wine manually. I’ve been searching for a video and/or HOWTO to guide me a bit, though. Several exist for the 3 and the 4, but I’ve yet to find one for the 5.
Any tips, folks? I’m very comfortable on Linux, but a bit of Box64 + Wine voodoo would go a long way. Thanks and 73s, K0RvW.
Cheers,
Ken van Wyk
/Armata Scientia/
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From an application perspective, why would it care
if it's running on an Rpi5 vs. an Rpi4 (or any other ARM SBC)??
Looking a little further, it seems this script is looking for
specific known Raspberry Pi hardware and instead of just trying
it's best, if aborts.? There is a modified script in this thread
that attempts to fix it.? Maybe give that a try:
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--David
KI6ZHD
On 01/28/2024 04:06 AM, Kenneth R. van
Wyk wrote:
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Okay, so I know this group focuses on Pi 4, but I’m seeing traffic
about Pi 5 availability as well, so I hope it’s okay to assume the
5 is welcome here too? [Moderator: Kill my message if I’m
incorrect.]
Like many, I’m working on a Pi 5 build. I currently have my 5
(8 Gb) running with the Pimoroni NVMe Base board and a 1 Tb
Sabrent Rocket SSD. (RUNS GREAT!)
I’m hoping to be able to run VARA HF/FM on it using Box64 +
Wine. Ultimately, my aim is to run my alternate NCS for Winlink
Wednesdays using my Icom 7100 and a Raspberry Pi rig control
computer.
I looked at??and
was hoping it would be what I needed, but it doesn’t (yet?)
support the 5.
So, being as patient as a sneeze, I set about to build Box64
and install Wine manually. I’ve been searching for a video
and/or HOWTO to guide me a bit, though. Several exist for the 3
and the 4, but I’ve yet to find one for the 5.
Any tips, folks? I’m very comfortable on Linux, but a bit of
Box64 + Wine voodoo would go a long way. Thanks and 73s, K0RvW.
Cheers,
Ken van Wyk
Armata Scientia
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Okay, so I know this group focuses on Pi 4, but I’m seeing traffic about Pi 5 availability as well, so I hope it’s okay to assume the 5 is welcome here too? [Moderator: Kill my message if I’m incorrect.]
Like many, I’m working on a Pi 5 build. I currently have my 5 (8 Gb) running with the Pimoroni NVMe Base board and a 1 Tb Sabrent Rocket SSD. (RUNS GREAT!)
I’m hoping to be able to run VARA HF/FM on it using Box64 + Wine. Ultimately, my aim is to run my alternate NCS for Winlink Wednesdays using my Icom 7100 and a Raspberry Pi rig control computer.
I looked at??and was hoping it would be what I needed, but it doesn’t (yet?) support the 5.
So, being as patient as a sneeze, I set about to build Box64 and install Wine manually. I’ve been searching for a video and/or HOWTO to guide me a bit, though. Several exist for the 3 and the 4, but I’ve yet to find one for the 5.
Any tips, folks? I’m very comfortable on Linux, but a bit of Box64 + Wine voodoo would go a long way. Thanks and 73s, K0RvW.
Cheers,
Ken van Wyk Armata Scientia
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Re: Pineberry Pi SSD HATs
Pimoroni in the UK has RPI5s - 8GB and 4GB - in stock as well as an NVME SSD bottom hat they have developed.
I just received the 8GB RPi5 and the bottom hat last week.
Edd - KD5M
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I never got a response until I emailed them and told them it was fraud to have taken a pre-order and not shipped, when people that had ordered recently were receiving their Pi5's
Received a reply about 20 minutes after sending that email that my order was cancelled and money was returned to my card
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I've been waiting on Sparkfun for three months now on an Rpi5-8GB kit and sent their support email list an email on Friday for a status as I'm getting very frustrated too.? While I got an automated email response, no real HUMAN reply yet.? I'll give them a few more days for a response or I'll cancel too.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 01/27/2024 07:32 PM, DavidC KD4E wrote:
I canceled my SparkFun order.
Got tired of waiting - while they show up for sale everywhere else.
The next time a buddy visits a MicroCenter in the Atlanta area,
he'll pick up a RPi 5 for me there.
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The best I can tell, the Raspberry Pi 5 *only* supports an input
voltage of 5.1V.? It does not support the other USB-PD voltages like
9v, 12v, 15v, etc:
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?? Raspberry Pi 5 - 5V/5A, 5V/3A limits peripherals to 600mA
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?? The second is the Raspberry Pi 27W USB-C Power Supply, which
provides up to 5A current at +5.1V, and is the recommended supply
for Raspberry Pi 5.
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Unfortunately, the documentation leaves some of this up to
interpretation:
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?? The USB-PD standard allows higher voltages and currents to be
negotiated via software but requires an appropriate Power Management
Integrated Circuit (PMIC) which is only present on Raspberry Pi
5.
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This link cooberates that any other voltage than 5v is NOT
supported:
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?? The Raspberry Pi 5 will not negotiate higher voltages (such as 9v
or 12v) even though the power supply can provide it to other
devices.
?? --
--David
KI6ZHD
On 01/27/2024 06:49 PM, Michael WA7SKG
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Gotta say, this thread has been entertaining. From
what I can tell, the RPi5 wants USB-C PD power. The "Official RPi5
Power Supply" provides PD (27W), but is a wall-wart only. The OP I
believe wanted something to run from 12V. So...
This takes 9-24VDC in and gives USB-A and USB-C/PD outputs. It is
hardwired in to whatever power source you have.
Chargeit! Mini 75W Dual Port USB-A & USB-C PD Charger w/ PPS
& QC4.0 Support
This is a cigarette lighter/power point plug in that gives
basically the same thing, a USB-A(QC 3.0) and a USB-C(PD) outputs.
USB C Car Charger 5 Pack,
I believe either one of these should power your RPi5. Personally,
I think I would go with the CoolGear item as it supports a higher
output (75W combined) than the Bangfun (20W) device.
Michael WA7SKG
Kelly K7MHI via groups.io wrote on 1/27/24 2:31 PM:
Sheesh haha this group …
??David have you found a 5a PD USB C yet
I have not found one yet - thanks for the tip on the POE hat
it’s not 13v but interesting - I could link you to the details I
was referencing but - I’m gonna walk on this thread
if I find something I will make sure to post it here we will
likely all watch some YouTuber post it at the same time hihi
happy field day all Kelly saying 73
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Re: Pineberry Pi SSD HATs
I've been waiting on Sparkfun for three months now
on an Rpi5-8GB kit and sent their support email list an email on
Friday for a status as I'm getting very frustrated too.? While I
got an automated email response, no real HUMAN reply yet.? I'll
give them a few more days for a response or I'll cancel too.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 01/27/2024 07:32 PM, DavidC KD4E
wrote:
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I canceled my SparkFun order.
Got tired of waiting - while they show up for sale everywhere
else.
The next time a buddy visits a MicroCenter in the Atlanta area,
he'll pick up a RPi 5 for me there.
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I ordered one and plugged it in - only spit out 3a confirmed with a PD inspection on the wire.?
they wanted a restocking fee to return it - email if you would like to buy it off me ;)?
I’m also waiting on this one?
in shipping to test it out?
k
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My 1st Pi5 runs off POE. Switch is plugged into a 1350VA UPS.
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On Jan 27, 2024, at 20:11, "Spence M0STO via " < googlemail.com@groups.io target=_blank>unavailable.equal=@groups.io> wrote:
I personally use a UPS for my Raspberry Pi 4 with 12 x 18650 batteries which gives me about 16 hours or more “load depending” of runtime.
Geekworm UPS and two battery hats. Look mum….. no wires…. Well not to a mains supply anyway.
This is the RPI5 equivalent?
These UPS hats just require a decent 5v 5amp supply to maintain a floating charge and a cheap 12v buck converter could easily take 12v and convert that to a 2.5mm DC jack and also provides additional USB Sockets for extra device power.
Typically you can stack up to 20 x 18650 in 4 extra battery hats, however, it will take days if not a week to charge that many cells in parallel.
I also own a few Nvidia Jetson Nanos too and they all have 12 x 18650 as the serve as light weight 24/7 online servers that are virtually crash proof.
De Spence M0STO
Sent while portable! please excuse typos.
On 28 Jan 2024, at 02:49, Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> wrote:
? Gotta say, this thread has been entertaining. From what I can tell, the RPi5 wants USB-C PD power. The "Official RPi5 Power Supply" provides PD (27W), but is a wall-wart only. The OP I believe wanted something to run from 12V. So...
This takes 9-24VDC in and gives USB-A and USB-C/PD outputs. It is hardwired in to whatever power source you have.
Chargeit! Mini 75W Dual Port USB-A & USB-C PD Charger w/ PPS & QC4.0 Support
https://www.coolgear.com/product/usb-power-delivery-60w-high-power-industrial-adapter-charger-ccg3pa
This is a cigarette lighter/power point plug in that gives basically the same thing, a USB-A(QC 3.0) and a USB-C(PD) outputs.
USB C Car Charger 5 Pack,
https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Bangfun-Charging-Cigarette-Compatible/dp/B09R1J7G67/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=usb%2Bc%2B12v&qid=1706409705&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1
I believe either one of these should power your RPi5. Personally, I think I would go with the CoolGear item as it supports a higher output (75W combined) than the Bangfun (20W) device.
Michael WA7SKG
Kelly K7MHI via groups.io wrote on 1/27/24 2:31 PM:
Sheesh haha this group …
?David have you found a 5a PD USB C yet
I have not found one yet - thanks for the tip on the POE hat it’s not 13v but interesting - I could link you to the details I was referencing but - I’m gonna walk on this thread
if I find something I will make sure to post it here we will likely all watch some YouTuber post it at the same time hihi
happy field day all Kelly saying 73
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I'm curious where that information is and what model you are looking at.
They have a number of different models. The "Official RPi5 Power Supply" is rated for 27W to adequately run the computer. The CoolGear units smallest rated unit says 60W with other versions providing up to 140W. This is according to the User Manual.
Take a look at this one that provides 100W with 12-24V input (Model CG-PD100C):
Michael WA7SKG
Kelly K7MHI via groups.io wrote on 1/27/24 8:33 PM:
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Quick note Michael WA7SKG
that cool gear unit will not work - I have one here they limit to 3a
Michael WA7SKG - will check it out thanks
k
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I personally don’t own the latest version of the Geekworm hat for a RPI5 but the pi4 uses a small daughter board the slots on top of the GPIO pins with 5v, GND and perhaps the 3.3v and a couple of GPIO pins for sending shutdown signals (requires software). ?I did post an image of my pi but for some reason direct image links aren’t allowed.
I think 5v@5amp through test pins might be a bit iffy. I think more research needed into how the UPS mates to the PI5.
? In the past my Pi4 Sata shield used test point pins.
Here is a link to my PI4.
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Michael WA7SKG
Terry Philbin
Spence G5STO