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Sticky Gurinder Still On the Job
Despite the claims or predictions of Gurinder being off the job as of April 1st I notice more news stories in the Indian press about him continuing to meet with various individuals. Dy CM meets Radha Soami Satsang Beas Chief Excelsior Correspondent JAMMU, Apr 5: Deputy Chief Minister, Surinder Choudhary, today met Baba Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the revered head of Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB), today at Thandi Khui, Vijaypur. The Deputy Chief Minister interacted with Baba Gurinder Singh Dhillon and sought his blessings for overall peace and prosperity of Jammu and Kashmir. Speaking on the significance of the meeting, Choudhary remarked, “Sants and great men have always played an incomparable role in removing the evils prevalent in society. The continuous efforts of RSSB in the service of humanity and fostering social harmony are truly amazing and inspiring.” He further expressed his hope that the blessings of such spiritual leaders would usher in happiness and prosperity for the people of Jammu and Kashmir. The meeting underscored the importance of spiritual guidance and community service in promoting peace and well-being across the region. https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/dy-cm-meets-radha-soami-satsang-beas-chief ----- On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 01:56 PM, Agochar wrote: From the Brian Hines blog: Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the RSSB guru, reportedly off the job as of April 1: https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2025/03/gurinder-singh-dhillon-the-rssb-guru-reportedly-off-the-job-as-of-april-1.html The video source for this information is not an offical RSSB channel but one that does seem to be following his activities: https://youtu.be/PYyvjHSeXwY?si=CVgzQ4_jQPmFLAAT
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Sticky Gurinder is Retiring?
From the Brian Hines blog: Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the RSSB guru, reportedly off the job as of April 1: https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2025/03/gurinder-singh-dhillon-the-rssb-guru-reportedly-off-the-job-as-of-april-1.html The video source for this information is not an offical RSSB channel but one that does seem to be following his activities: https://youtu.be/PYyvjHSeXwY?si=CVgzQ4_jQPmFLAAT
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Sticky Tukaram's Guru Was Raghava Chaitanya According to These Three Sources 2
Often I notice a recurring pattern of ossifying panths eventually forgetting their own histories often preferring to say that their founding guru was so great that he never had a guru. This despite their often being hymns of praise devoted to their guru, whether named or unnamed in the surviving literature. As with Swami Ji Maharaj, Sant Tulsi Sahib, Dariya Sahib of Bihar, Dadu Dayal, Guru Nanak, Kabir, etc... Tukaram does appear to have had a guru. Babaji Raghavachaitanya - Babaji Raghava Chaitanya "...Tukaram (1608-49) received his initiation (mantram) from Babaji Caitanya..." CAITANYA'S INFLUENCE ON TUKARAM AND TULSIDAS, by Bimanbehari Majumdar: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44140440 ) Above is excerpted from a paper at the jstor website. The sentence continues and lists a few of the previous gurus in Tukaram's lineage. I see there's also an ISKCON website that's somewhat acquainted with or echoes some memory of "Raghava Caitanya." "Raghava Caitanya: A guru in Maharashtra who had come in contact with the saint Tukarama." https://names.iskcondesiretree.com/raghava-caitanya Below is from the book, Tukaram, The Ceaseless Song of Devotion, by Chandravati Rajwade. Search for a Saint "Having turned his face towards God, Tukaram started studying holy books and the writings of past saints such as Namdev, Dnyaneshwar, Kabir and Eknath. He also saw the great importance of keeping the company of living saints and listening to their teachings. He expresses in the following poem his earnest desire for the company of those who love God: "'Life’s mission will be fulfilled on meeting saints. I long for them — Happy is the day when I meet them.' "Tukaram never lost an opportunity of spending time with saints and true devotees. He declares: "'The sun, the lamp and the diamond Show things which are visible. But the saints show things which are invisible. Parents are the cause of birth, But saints are the cause of the cessation of birth. Go and be in the company of saints, Even if you are not invited.' "In his poems he is full of praise for the saints, whose “words are like nectar” for the spiritually thirsty. "'If your heart merges in the heart of a saint Then you will have achieved everything. Otherwise the company of saints has been in vain, For you will be like a stone which sits in water All the time, but is quite unchanged within.' "Tukaram asks the Lord to keep him at the feet of the saints lest he forget God’s Name: 'Even if he could not find God, he should at least be fortunate enough to live in the company of saints....' Initiation, Spiritual Practice and Longing "It was during this period of intensive meditation and prayer that Tukaram’s Guru, Babaji Raghavachaitanya, showered his grace and initiated him in 1619. This was the beginning of the truly spiritual phase of Tukaram’s life. "After initiation, Tukaram spent most of his time on spiritual practice as taught by his Guru." -- Tukaram, The Ceaseless Song of Devotion, by Chandravati Rajwade, excerpted from pages 11-14, Life Sketch section
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League of Nations Enigmatic Chapatis Other Things 29
Madhav Prasad Sinha Babuji Maharaj : "What is happening with the League of Nations ? On the one hand stress is being laid on disarmament while on the other hand, ammunition is being piled up." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPM_QodWP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Ld8pIruV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFjOlFLNEgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUI8gMelNOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBUfkEGo-CQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcB3yTMQKTQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9PePwzuyHQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWGFDVK69Zw
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Dao Inner Government 18
Bhagavad Gita : "Some realize the Self in the self by the self through Karma-yoga." Madhav Prasad Sinha Babuji Maharaj : "It is not possible for people in general to know the purpose for which Kabir and Soamiji Maharaj came here and what they did in this part of the creation. One can know of this only if one has reached the plane of Surat and one's power of realization has been awakened; but these are matters which cannot be explained here." "Whatever happens here in a gross form is only a reflection of events occurring in the subtle, higher regions." Hazrat Inayat Khan : "The spiritual hierarchy is made up of the masters. The world is ruled and governed, and although the spiritual hierarchy is different from outward governments, it is nevertheless an inner government. In the East such masters, whose thought, whose feeling, whose glance, whose impulse, can move the universe, are called Wali." Radhasoami Maharaj Sri Nij Sant Darshan Singh : "So a Higher Government."
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Soamiji Maharaj Bani 21
Earlier today I posted a selection from Soamiji Maharaj, and nowhere did I indicate that Soamiji Maharaj was denigrating past Sants. Anyone with some intelligence could see what Soamiji Maharaj meant - he was referring to a few Sant margas extant in India at the time. As for Dharam Das, I presented two views on his dates, one from Darshan Singh and one from Keay. I drew no final conclusions regarding either of their views; that should have been obvious. Note my use of the word "if" in my original thread. Jivatman : when my assistant returns I will send in more selections on this topic via this new thread.
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Baba Sri Chand 8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Chand : "Baba Sri Chand, also referred to as Baba Sri Chand was the founder of the ascetic sect of Udasin and was the elder son of Guru Nanak, first Guru and founder of Sikhism." "Sri Chand wrote Aarta, his most important writing, in praise of his father, Guru Nanak, and presented it to him after one of the Udasins. This writing had major influence on people of that time who did not know about Guru Nanak yet." https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Baba_Sri_Chand : "Sri Chand (1494 to 1643), also called Baba Sri Chand is the elder son of Guru Nanak and the founder of the ascetic sect of Udasis. He was born to Mata Sulakhani on Bhadon sudi 9, 1551 Bk / 9 September 1494 at Sultanpur Lodhi, now in Kapurthala district of the Punjab. This type of arrangement where the child is born at the mother's parental (????? s "Nanakay" meaning 'maternal grandparents') home was a quite common and accepted custom at that time. Sri Chand mastered the techniques of yoga at a very young age. He remained devoted to his father, Baba Nanak and established the Udasi order. He travelled far and wide and spread awareness of Guru Nanak. Baba Sri Chand was held in great esteem by the ensuing Sikh Gurus." "Guru Hargobind sent his son Baba Gurditta to Sri Chand. He became Sri Chand's successor and is regarded as a patriarch of the Udasi Sampardai (order). Baba Gurditta was the father of Guru Har Rai, the grandfather of Guru Harkrishan, the older brother of Guru Tegh Bahadur and the uncle of Guru Gobind Singh. After his father, Guru Nanak left Nankana Sahib, Sri Chand stayed in Dera Baba Nanak and maintained Guru Nanak Dev Ji's temple. Later he established the Udasi order." "Baba Siri Chand stayed on at Pakkhoke Randhave for some time. He gathered around him a band of his own disciples who, like him, shunned the householder`s life and practiced austerities. With his disciples he traveled throughout the length and breadth of India, initiating many as Udasin or Udasi (lit. indifferent, stoic) sect who functioned as itinerant teachers and established missionary centres at different places in the country and beyond. Through these Udasin Guru Nanak`s word was also carried to far corners of the land. Baba Siri Chand`s own main centre was at Barath, eight kilometres southwest of Pathankot in Gurdaspur district of Punjab. Baba Siri Chand also kept in touch with successive Gurus during his long life of well over a hundred years. The Gurus held him in high esteem. In 1626, when at the behest of Guru Hargobind, his eldest son, Baba Gurditta, proceeded to found the town of Kiratpur in the lower Sivalik hills, he had the ground broken by Baba Siri Chand Ji." "Virsa Singh Gobind Sadan : 'Baba Siri Chand was a renunciate; i.e., self-denying, celibate, and dedicated to meditation; but he was also a farmer. His father asked him not to leave the world but to take responsibility for the community farm at Kartarpur while he, Guru Nanak, was away. When Guru Nanak returned from his travels, the whole village happily told him that they had learned from Baba Siri Chand how to combine hard work on the farm and meditation. Baba Siri Chand had an extensive and dedicated following. When the Emperor Jehangir asked Mian Mir, his own darvesh (Muslim term for a powerful, truthful, God-intoxicated holy person), "Who is the greatest darvesh today?" Mian Mir replied, "At this time the elder son of Guru Nanak is the king of the darveshes."'" *Will post more about Hazrat Mian Mir Perhaps a Guru Nanak - Baba Sri Chand lineage - Sri Ramakrishna : "In Benares I saw a young sannyasi who belonged to the sect of Nanak. He was the same age as you. He used to refer to me as the 'loving monk'. His sect had a monastery in Benares. I was invited there one day. I found that the mohant was like a housewife. I asked him, 'What is the way ?' 'For the Kaliyuga,' he said, 'the path of devotion as enjoined by Narada.' He was reading a book. When the reading was over, he recited : 'Vishnu is in water, Vishnu is on land, Vishnu is on the mountain top; the whole world is pervaded by Vishnu.' At the end he said, 'Peace ! Peace ! Abiding Peace !' One day he was reading the Gita. He was so strict about his monastic rules that he would not read a holy book looking at a worldly man. So he turned his face toward me and his back on Mathur, who was also present. It was this holy man who told me of Narada's path of devotion as suited to the people of the Kaliyuga. Sadhus of his class are followers of the Vedanta, but they also accept the path of devotion." Guru Nanak / Guru Granth Sahib : "Narada and Saraswati are Your servants."
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Gyaneshwar / Jnaneshwar Sant Scene 36
Radhasoami Maharaj Sri Nij Sant Darshan Singh : "Maharashtra has produced a succession of illustrious exponents of the Sant tradition, and Namdev is among the five who are best known - the other four being his contemporary Sant Gyaneshwar, Samarth Ram Das (the guru of Siva Ji), Eknath, and Tukaram." "Namdev traveled from place to place, carrying his message of divine love through different parts of Maharashtra. In pursuing this mission, he collaborated with Sant Gyaneshwar, a highly evolved soul like himself." https://www.dlshq.org/saints/jnanadev.htm : "The name of Saint Jnaneshwar is on the lips of everyone in Maharashtra. He was a born Siddha. He was a Yogi of high attainments. He had control over the elements. His work Jnaneshwari is the crest-jewel of Marathi literature. The simple style, the beautiful illustrations and the apt similes have rendered the book attractive, charming and extremely useful. Jnaneshwari is to Maharashtrians what the Ramayan of Tulsidas is to the Hindi-speaking people. Jnanadev lived for a few years, but he did wonders. He was a genius, a Yogi of deep spiritual experiences and a sage of supreme order. He boldly criticized his predecessors. He was a great social and religious reformer. He laid the foundation of the great Bhakti movement in Maharashtra. He was a fine poet to boot."
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Deep silence
"Deep silence has a melody of its own, a sweetness unknown amid the harsh discords of the world's sounds." ~ Paul Brunton
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Tukaram 37
Early History of the Vaishnava Faith and Movement in Bengal : From Sanskrit and Bengali Sources / Sushil Kumar De - Professor and Head of the Department of Sanskrit, University of Dacca : "After a short stay at Puri, Chaitanya started on a long and extensive pilgrimage in Southern and Western India, which occupied a little less than two years." "One important result of Chaitanya's visit might have been that at many points, his living faith touched, stimulated and left its general impress upon Southern and Western Vaishnavism, in its tendency towards a more emotional form of worship." "It is probable also that Chaitanya left behind some general influence in the Maratha country, which survived as it did, through a century to the days of Tukaram, who acknowledges his debt to 'Chaitanya teachers.'" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitanya_Mahaprabhu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tukaram http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahinabai : "In these visions, Tukaram fed her nectar and taught her the mantra 'Rama-Krishna-Hari.' Thereafter, Bahinabai pronounced Tukaram as her guru. In her visions, Tukaram initiated her into the path of bhakti (devotion) and instructed her to recite the name of Vithoba. Some people considered her behavior as a sign of madness, while others considered it a mark of sainthood." "instructed her to recite the name of Vithobha" = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vithoba The Life and Teaching of Tukaram / J. Nelson Fraser, J. F. Edwards : "Mahipati suggests that Tukaram did not like to resort to a guru, because according to the usual custom the latter would have put forth for the acceptance of his disciple the doctrine of advaitism or pantheism, for which he had a great repugnance. The difficulty was solved when Tukaram had a dream, in which appeared a person who declared his name to be Babaji Chaitanya of the line of Raghava Chaitanya and Keshav Chaitanya and who gave him the sacred formula, not 'tattwamasi', but 'Ram, Krishna, Hari'. 'The Prince of Teachers,' says Tukaram, 'told me the simple sacred formula of my liking that will not lead to any entanglement anywhere.'" "How far then may the existing biography of Tukaram be regarded as reliable ? In view of Tukaram's picture of himself in his own moving poems, the contemporary evidence of his own disciples, the record of a by no means distant relative, and the important testimony surrounding his guru-mantra, we are justified in believing that while there is much unsifted tradition, 'miracle and wonder-working,' Mahipati's interesting account has a solid substratum of historical accuracy. As far as we can test his sources he gives us a large body of fact on which we can safely rely." ??? http://www.scienceofthesoul.org/product_p/en-051-0.htm ??? https://www.amazon.com/Tukaram-Maharashtra-Second-Revised-Enlarged/dp/B000M2HN3S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXFq_X6AdCM
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Is the world real? 3
"People still inquire and they ask me, very often, "Robert, is the world really real or is it an illusion?" Now the answer I give is dependent on who is asking the question. It isn't an easy answer to give. Those of us who are well read in Advaita Vedanta can give these ?ip answers that the world is an illusion, only Brahman is real. Everything else doesn't exist. This may be true in the ultimate reality, but as far as we're concerned in our everyday experiences, the world is as real as you make it. Always remember, you are the creator of the world. The world that you see is a creation of yourself. All that you're involved in, the circumstances in your life, the vicissitudes you go through every day, are a result of what you are, nothing more, nothing less. So, if you feel your attachments, if you feel the world pressing down on you, if you feel something is wrong some place, then the world is real! It's real to you. So I would not say it's not real. This would be giving you the wrong advice. The world is real as long as you feel it. But what I will tell you to do is to go within and ask, 'Who sees the world the way it is? To whom does this world come to? Who is the seer? Who observes the world this way?' Of course you do. But who are you who sees the world the way it is? The world becomes illusory only to the person who has transcended the self, the personal self, the ego self. Then the world is only images, like the images on the screen. People are not involved in the screen, they're involved with the images. They know nothing about the screen, they see the images on the screen. Without the screen, the images would be destroyed. The images would be bent out of shape. But with the screen you've got a perfect image. So it is with the world unconsciousness. Your true Self is consciousness but you don't know it. The whole universe is consciousness, but you don't know it. You identify with the images. Your body appears to be an image also, but you think its real. Your thoughts appear good and real to you. The thoughts appear very valid. Your reasoning is very valid. Therefore, the world is real to you. And you have to go through experiences in this world, good experiences, bad experiences, as long as you think its real." ~ Robert Adams
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File /Masters Revealed, The _ Madame Blavatsky and the Myth of the -- Johnson, K_ Paul.pdf uploaded #file-notice
The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /Masters Revealed, The _ Madame Blavatsky and the Myth of the -- Johnson, K_ Paul.pdf By: Agochar <agochar@...> Description: THE MASTERS REVEALED - Madame Blavatsky and the Myth of the Great White Lodge, by K. Paul Johnson, a wonderful resource for fact-checking Blavatsky's false claims about hidden masters hanging out in the Himalayas. I believe myths such as Blavatsky's Himalayan cover up, the gospel of Issa hoax of Nicholas Notovitch, and stories about the ageless Babaji of Kriya Yoga supplied Paul Twitchell with the inspiration to create his literary character Rebazar Tarz, the 500 year old Himalayan eck master.
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Special teachings
"See how many people read books one after the other. Most of you here have read every book on earth till there is nothing left to read. and you're still in the same place you've always been. Most of you have gone to many lectures, heard many speakers. Yet there is hardly any change in you. You have to awaken to the point one of these days in your life that you are the answer. The answer is you, the answer that you're looking for. What is the meaning of life? Who am I? You are the very answer to these questions. Make your life very simple. Do not be too profound. Do not go looking to teachers and thinking they have a special answer for you. There is no special answer, there is no special teachings. Everything you're looking for is within yourself. Where else would it be?" ~ Robert Adams
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Rai Saligram Sahaj Yoga Bani 11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaja : "Sahaja (Prakrit languages: ??? Sanskrit: ??? sahaja) means spontaneous enlightenment in Indian and Tibetan Buddhist spirituality. Sahaja practices first arose in Bengal during the 8th century among yogis called Sahajiya siddhas." "The Sanskrit [and the Tibetan, which precisely follows it] literally means: 'born or produced together or at the same time as. Congenital, innate, hereditary, original, natural (...by birth, by nature, naturally...)'. Etymologically, sa?- means 'together with', and ja derives from the root jan, meaning 'to be born, produced, to occur, to happen'. The Tibetan lhan cig tu skye ba is an exact etymological equivalent of the Sanskrit. Lhan cig means 'together with', and skye ba means 'to be born, to arise, to come about, to be produced'. The Tibetan can function as a verbal phrase, noun, or adjective." "The siddha Saraha (8th century CE) was the key figure of the Vajrayana Buddhist Sahajayana movement, which flourished in Bengal and Odisha." "The siddha, Indrabhuti, wrote a commentary on Sahaja teachings called the Sahajasiddhipaddhati." Rai Saligram : "Radhasoami has graciously revealed Sahaj Yoga." "Extremely pleasant is the Sahaj Yoga in which Sat Guru has initiated me." "Those Abhyasis who have not met with the Sant Sat Guru but have been initiated by a Satsangi of His will attain purification and elevation within Pind Desh only. The ascension beyond Pind Desh is not possible without the help and grace of the Sant Sat Guru. When they acquire Adhikar, they will surely come in contact with the Sant Sat Guru. He will make them advance further. For the time they should show love and regard for the Satsangi who has associated with Sant, considering him to be a Premi Bhakt : loving devotee; they should associate with him and study the scriptures of Sants as much as possible. They should perform Abhyas and make internal progress in his company." Panditji Maharaj : "In the past, whenever Sadhus got the opportunity of moving out of Agra, they unhesitatingly started giving away their own Charnamrit and Prashad; they even accepted cash offerings and allowed themselves to be worshipped by people." Rai Saligram : "A person has not yet met with the Sant Sat Guru. Expecting to do so, he cultivates love and affection for and serves a Satsangi. Even this would be reckoned as devotion to the Sant Sat Guru and Radhasoami Dayal. This is so, because his object is that Radhasoami Dayal may shower His grace internally and attract him to his Holy Feet and he may also have Darshan and Satsang of the Sant Sat Guru. Therefore, this devotion will form part of the service and devotion of Radhasoami Dayal Himself. The result would be an increase in love and affection for internal Shabd and Swarup." "Among the followers of Radhasoami Dayal, some are authorized to initiate people in the modes of devotional practices of Radhasoami Faith. There is no objection if the initiates treat such a person as a Sadh." "As regards Updeshaks - those authorized to initiate applicants - be they householders or ascetics, they should also be looked upon with love and affection, according to their position. This is subject to the condition that they are not selfish, proud and conceited." "The new initiate should not look upon the person who initiates him as his guru. Taking that person to be a practitioner of Surat Shabd Yoga, he should attend his Satsang with love and affection. He may also serve him with body and wealth whenever he feels like doing so, provided that person is willing to accept such Sewa or service." "The status of the Updeshak - one authorised to initiate applicants - should be that of a Sadh or an elder brother or a friend. The Updeshak should constantly be watchful about his own condition. He should see that the desire for name, fame and wealth does not impel him to accept the treatment of a Sadh, otherwise he would be deluded." "If an Updeshak is a true and sincere Parmarthi, he would try to free himself. He would also help his initiates to gradually loosen and cut asunder their attachments. In no case will he allow his initiates to create new attachment for him; nor will he assert his authority over them claiming himself to be their guru." "Some Updeshaks claim to be gurus. They want to exercise authority over their initiates. They prevent them from making further enquiries. No transformation is noticed in the condition of a true Parmarthi in their Satsang : love for and faith in the Holy Feet of Radhasoami Dayal are not augmented. Indifference to and detachment from the world are not created. Such Updeshaks should not be taken to be true guru." "The Updeshi Satsangi - initiate - may continue to maintain his usual relations with the person who first initiated him, even after meeting the Sant Sat Guru. But if that person tries to wean him away from the Sant Sat Guru or put obstacles in his Bhakti to Him, then he should report the matter to the Sant Sat Guru. With His permission, he may break off or relax intercourse with him."
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Bani Gyaneshwar 13
Radhasoami Maharaj Sri Nij Sant Darshan Singh : "Maharashtra has produced a succession of illustrious exponents of the Sant tradition, and Namdev is among the five who are best known - the other four being his contemporary Sant Gyaneshwar, Samarth Ram Das (the guru of Siva Ji), Eknath, and Tukaram." "Namdev traveled from place to place, carrying his message of divine love through different parts of Maharashtra. In pursuing this mission, he collaborated with Sant Gyaneshwar, a highly evolved soul like himself." =
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Radhasoami Satsang Agra Soami Bagh Various 12
Sant Das Maheshwari : "The Council is not Sant Sat Guru." "The spiritual current which comes down from the Radhasoami Dham is the guide on the inner planes. That current assumes the Form of the Sant Sat Guru." "The spiritual current coming down from Radhasoami Dham is the Living Master." "The last Sant Sat Guru was Babuji Maharaj; hence, we are enjoined to contemplate His Form." "Our Guru is Babuji Maharaj. We all contemplate His Form in the practice of Dhyan." All words capitalized below are writer's original - December 10th 1969 : Letter Excerpt : to Sant Das Maheshwari : Radhasoami Satsang Agra Soami Bagh : "Repeating the Holy Name is so effective for me that I feel all the forces in my body are moving and specially on the top of my head where most of the work takes place. When I concentrate on the Holy Form of my Merciful Supreme Father BABUJI MAHARAJ RADHASOAMI DAYAL, I feel that my whole body is covered with life and energy, and I am very conscious of it." December 18th 1969 : Letter Excerpt : to Sant Das Maheshwari : Radhasoami Satsang Agra Soami Bagh : "ON THE EARLY MORNING OF 17-12-1969, INNER DARSHAN OF BELOVED BABUJI MAHARAJ and a quiet wonderful feeling of Peace and deep Gratefullness, that now stays with me, as I do no more have to 'fight.'" K. J. : Washington, D. C. : March 21st 1960 : Letter Excerpt : to Sant Das Maheshwari : Radhasoami Satsang Soami Bagh Agra : "Here is an experience frequently had during my 4:30 to 6:00 morning meditation : Concentrating at the Til and doing mental Sumiran, felt my body going numb at the feet. Lost consciousness momentarily, then seemed to gain some sort of semi-consciousness that I was moving out of my body. Next I am looking up into a black sky, into which I am being drawn at a fast rate. I'm still repeating Sumiran. The blackness disappears and I am conscious of floating in the clear bright blue sky. I see a bright round sun on the horizon. Concentrating on the sun I am flying through the sky as I am being magnetically drawn towards the sun. Still doing Sumiran. Still conscious, I feel electrified, like a vortex of magnetism. The sun seems to shift its position on the horizon and it seems an effort to hold my attention on the sun. As I hold my attention, repeating Sumiran I continue rocketing at great speed towards the sun. Then I lose consciousness, I am not aware of the body, and a feeling of numbness comes all over with no desire to move, so relaxed and tingling all over. Frequent feeling of flying during my meditation." http://radhasoami-spirit.com/index.html : Ancient high-yoga precedent -
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Darshan Singh poems are turning up on this Youtube channel.
These folks appear to be Darshan Singh initiates and do readings from his poetry, plus from many Sufis. ????? ?? I Ruhani Gazal I Sant Darshan Singh I Mata Harbhajan Kaur: https://youtu.be/osayyGN4918?si=RSS_VjAYOrwky-Im Most of the videos are in Hindi but Youtube has the ability to translate and provide subtitles into English.
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Origins of the Sant Tradition and Saints of the South 3
Origins of the Sant Tradition and Saints of the South Referring to Sant Tulsi Sahib's origins: "He came from the south, and was popularly known as Dakhani Baba, which means 'Sage from the South'". (Tulsi Sahib, Saint of Hathras, J. R. Puri and V. K. Sethi, page 3, second edition, 1981) With the Sant tradition of India the most famous Sants by far are the northern ones like Kabir, Nanak, Goswami Tulsi Das, Mirabai, etc... Lesser-known is the Sant tradition of Maharashtra as represented by Eknath, Namdev, Tukarama, Jnanadeva, and Samartha Ramadasa. There is however an even more obscure history of Sants in south India. The book, Saints of South India, Part One: Karnataka, by Dr. N. Subrahmanyam, P. Aravinda Rao, and K. G. Ramaprakash, published by the Beas satsang, features three prominent Sants of the south: Purandaradasa, Kanakadasa, and Shishunala Sharif Sahib. These were part of the Haridasas, the Haridasa branch of the Bhakti movement. More about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haridasa I've always been curious about when the Path of the Sants emerged in Indian history. Often people assume the Sants or Sant Mat began with poet-mystics such as Kabir or Nanak but clearly they were not the first Sants. Kabir is believed to have been born in 1440, Nanak 1469. Previous to the 15th century Sants and much earlier in the Sant tradition was Sant Jayadeva, born in east India during 1170, author of the Gita Govinda. Some of his compositions were also eventually included in the Sikh scriptures, the Adi Granth compiled in 1604. In Maharashtra were significant Bhakti Sants such as Jnaneshwar (1275-1296). A disciple and spiritual successor of Jnaneshwar was Visoba Khechar (unknown - 1309 CE), and Sant Namdev (1270-1350) was a famous disciple of Visoba Khechar. Tracing the Sant tradition much further back in time I am rather intrigued by this statement in this book about the Saints of south India: "The Bhakti movement is thought to have originated in Tamil Nadu during the seventh century and eventually spread through Karnataka, Maharashtra, and then across India during the sixteenth-century." (Saints of South India, page 2) Tamil Nadu is the southernmost state of India. This Wikipedia entry for the Bhakti movement pushes the date back to the 6th century: "The Bhakti movement was a significant religious movement in medieval Hinduism[1] that sought to bring religious reforms to all strata of society by adopting the method of devotion to achieve salvation.[2] Originating in Tamilakam during 6th century CE,[3][4] it gained prominence through the poems and teachings of the Vaishnava Alvars and Shaiva Nayanars in early medieval South India, before spreading northwards.[1] It swept over east and north India from the 15th century onwards, reaching its zenith between the 15th and 17th century CE." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti_movement The above paragraph at Wikipedia cites some credible sources that one may consult for further exploration of the history of Nirguna Bhakti Sants (devotees of the Formless Supreme Being) including: A Storm of Songs: India and the Idea of the Bhakti Movement, John Hawley, Harvard University Press, 2015; Bhakti Religion in North India: Community Identity and Political Action, David Lorenzen, State University of New York Press, 1995; and, The Sants: Studies in a Devotional Tradition of India, Karine Schomer, W.H. McLeod, Motilal Banarsidass, 1987) I will have to research possible poet-Saints of the Tamil Nadu Sant tradition and explore what might be published in English from this earlier period. Can we date the Sant tradition even earlier in the history of India? It's certainly the case that some ancient Upanishads taught about a Formless Purusha (Supreme Being), and have references to inner Light and Sound (Nada Yoga) meditation practices. In the Wiki entry cited above on the Bhakti movement is this paragraph: "Klaus Witz, in contrast, traces the history and nature of the Bhakti movement to the Upanishadic and the Vedanta foundations of Hinduism. He writes that in virtually every Bhakti movement poet, 'the Upanishadic teachings form an all-pervasive substratum, if not a basis.'" As I wrote in my paper, The Origins Of Sant Mat, there are a few rare tantalizing references to Sants of antiquity: Seeing references in Krishna/Vaishnava Hindu scriptures, Sant Tulsi Sahib of Hathras was of the opinion that the Sant movement dates back to the time of Krishna thousands of years ago, that Krishna knew of Sants during his day. An Example of Sants Mentioned in a Hindu Scripture Called the Bhagavad Purana "Such individuals who have achieved the unity of atman (soul) and Param-atman (Supreme Soul, God) are known as Sants. According to the Bhagavad Purana there is no one greater than a Sant in the eyes of the Divine. Lord Krishna says to his disciple Uddhava Ji: 'All devotees like you are very dear to me. They are dearer to me than Lord Brahma, Lord Shankara, my brother Bal Ram, Goddess Lakshmi and even my own soul. Therefore, I walk behind these Sants hoping that the dust arising from their holy feet would touch my body and purify me.'" (Hindu scripture quoted by Swami Vyasanand of the Tulsi Sahib/Maharshi Mehi Sant Mat lineage in his book, The Inward Journey of the Soul, Amazon Kindle e-book) Some poetry from a biography of Dadu Dayal: "There is no end to the number of Sants who appeared in the Yugas [Epochs] of Sat, Treta, Dvapar, and Kali [Yuga]. I sing of the celebrated one I have heard of, and bow my head to all the others." (Jan Gopal, disciple of Sant Dadu Dayal of Rajasthan in, The Life Story of Dadu Dayal -- The Book of Janma Lila, translated into English by the scholar Winand M. Callewaert, in, The Hindi Biography of Dadu Dayal, Motilal Banarsidass) For more see, The Origins of Sant Mat: https://archive.org/details/the-origins-of-sant-mat/page/n1/mode/2up Back to the recently published book on Sants of south India: "Purandara Dasa and Kanaka Dasa, lived in the sixteenth century, and are quite well known all over South India... Shishunala Sharif [19th century Sant], is not as well-known as the other two, but his teachings are nevertheless very profound. His background and poetry reminds one of Kabir." (Saints of South India - Part 1- Karnataka, 2024: https://scienceofthesoul.org/books-EN-279-1.html ) And, as the title implies, there likely will be a Part 2 volume exploring more southern Sants. Baba Somanath of South India A recent Sant based in south India was Baba Somanath (1885-1976) of the Radhasoami Satsang. "Baba Sawan Singhji was very pleased with Somanathji’s seva and behaviour and initiated him into the path of Surat Shabd Yoga in January 1928. He stayed at Beas for three and a half years, practicing Surat Shabd Yoga and achieved his cherished goal. In 1932, He sought the gracious permission of his Satguru to return to Mumbai. Sawan Singhji blessed him and commanded him to propagate the principles of Santmat in South India, where it was almost unknown." (from the Gurus section of the Sawan Durbar Ashram website: http://sdakengeri.org/Gurus.htm ) For the details of this see, The Life of Baba Somanath - Saint and Sage of South India, by Christopher McMahon, 2023: https://babasomanathji.org/biography/baba-jis-life-story PDF: https://babasomanathji.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Life-Story-of-Baba-Somanath-Ji.pdf And this biography is also available as a 323 page hardcover book by Christopher McMahon: https://babasomanathji.org/for-further-information-contact
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The Dogs of Guru Nanak
https://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/sant.htm In SANT: THE MASTER, An essay originally issued in the 1950s, Kirpal Singh writes: "A Sant will never say that he is a Sant. Hazur, when he was told that he was true Guru Nanak, used to say openly before thousands in Satsang that he did not bear any likeness even to the dogs of Guru Nanak. This humility places Sants above the level of the highest cultivated human beings, who are often prey to egotism. It is the summit of merits of Sants as men." But what if Hazur [Sawan Singh] actually meant, "Yeah, I am indeed the true Guru Nanak. But I'm definitely not one of his dogs."
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