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Re: One More: IRWINDALE SPEEDWAY & DRAGSTRIP TO CLOSE AFTER 2024 SEASON

 

I just a presentation on YouTube which disclosed the selling price of the Irwindale Speedway property.?
If correct and true, and it seemed to be, the selling price was $504,000,000. For all the acres.?
At that price, it was impossible for anyone to save the track. The new owners fully understand they will never get their full investment back. It would take 10 mega-companies $50,000,000 each to build to suit their needs. That will never happen, not here.
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Red Cross donation time again

 

A few weeks ago, on Halloween, it was time once again to donate to the American Red Cross Blood Services. This was my 117th donation in the last 45 years. My blood is O+, and is CMV negative (an adult virus), which means my blood can be given to babies and children at hospitals who don't yet have the anti-bodies in their system to fight CMV.
My donation was a "Power Red", which means they take double units of red blood cells and return the other blood ingredients back into the body. I encourage everyone to donate blood to the Red Cross. Even CMV positive blood can be donated.
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

Mr. tough guy and his hot rod, circa 1960.
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

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Many times I see "restored" items like this in what is supposed to be Gilmore livery, but they never get the color right.? Most use this cream and dark red combination which was never used by Gilmore.? Gilmore used a brilliant yellow and bright red.? ? I have a restored Gilmore gas pump and pedal car that are in the correct colors that were mixed by paint master Stan Betz.? Stan was a Gilmore collector, and he matched the colors to a pristine Gilmore sign in his collection.


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Chuck Fawcett
Westminster CA USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

The Rickenbacker era at Indy was rich with his involvement of real achieving celebs of the day plus glamorous major movie stars of both sexes. Turner was a WWI pilot, turned barnstormer, movie stunt pilot and air race winner so he fit right into Eddie's sphere, especially with his Gilmore Oil sponsorship.

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He was the Starter in '33, and an Indy official for years later.


Roscoe's Indy association continued on solidly into the Hulman era. He owned an airport on Long Island which housed his museum. When development closed it down, the Smithsonian was the big beneficiary, ending up with his perpetually winning? Meteor and "Gilmore."



Roscoe and Tony with their wives and Gilmore

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RHer Ken Triplett shares a lot of the lore:

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Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO, still remembering our friend Len

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I do have a Roscoe Turner connection, sort of. Turner made sure that Carmen Schroder got the vast majority of his Ascot Park novelties upon his death. Carmen,? in turn, gave me absolute carte blanch access to all of it, and was incredible in her generosity. She allowed me to have all the duplicate items related to jalopies. She saved me 10 years of research for my jalopy book. Roscoe Turner had the wisdom to save tremendous amounts of historical items and Carmen Schroder allowed access. 2 incredible people!!!
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

I do have a Roscoe Turner connection, sort of. Turner made sure that Carmen Schroder got the vast majority of his Ascot Park novelties upon his death. Carmen,? in turn, gave me absolute carte blanch access to all of it, and was incredible in her generosity. She allowed me to have all the duplicate items related to jalopies. She saved me 10 years of research for my jalopy book. Roscoe Turner had the wisdom to save tremendous amounts of historical items and Carmen Schroder allowed access. 2 incredible people!!!
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

Ah, but that didn't come with ties to the lion who still resides in the National Air and Space Museum, along with his pal Roscoe Turner's air racer.

Remember that Roscoe not only was great buddies with Eddie Rickenbacker, sporting his Sam Browne belt uniform at many Indianapolis 500s, but became the image that so many WWII aviators sought to emulate!

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Subject: Re: [RH] I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

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That definitely looks very cool, but, full disclosure,? I'd rather have a 1958 red and white Murray Ranch Wagon pedal car, matching what I had as my first Hot Rod a long time ago in my previous life. I certainly couldn't fit in it so it would be living room carpet art. I have a list of various items from 60-65 years ago that I would procure and put into a trophy case but I'd have to hit the lottery before I could afford them. And I still dream of obtaining The Mother Load of jalopy racing photos from Southern California.?
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

That definitely looks very cool, but, full disclosure,? I'd rather have a 1958 red and white Murray Ranch Wagon pedal car, matching what I had as my first Hot Rod a long time ago in my previous life. I certainly couldn't fit in it so it would be living room carpet art. I have a list of various items from 60-65 years ago that I would procure and put into a trophy case but I'd have to hit the lottery before I could afford them. And I still dream of obtaining The Mother Load of jalopy racing photos from Southern California.?
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

Very, very cool!

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Hey Bob,
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Here's a rare midget just sold you should have bought:
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Al Isselhard
Wolcott, NY

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 2:18?PM Bob Storck via <bstorck=[email protected]> wrote:

But my current frisky ride, the palamino rodeo stallion is going to get jealous ...

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA
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Al Isselhard?
Wolcott, New York

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA


Re: I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

Hey Bob,

Here's a rare midget just sold you should have bought:

Al Isselhard
Wolcott, NY

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 2:18?PM Bob Storck via <bstorck=[email protected]> wrote:

But my current frisky ride, the palamino rodeo stallion is going to get jealous ...

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA



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Wolcott, New York



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Al Isselhard
Wolcott NY USA


I'm going to have to outbid Tom Luce for this original Gilmore midget!

 

But my current frisky ride, the palamino rodeo stallion is going to get jealous ...

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA


Re: Another automobile museum closes

 

Mullin Automotive Museum in Oxnard, CA.
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Yes, this is an open wheel subject!

 

Not exactly our type of open wheel car, but I think most of you will enjoy this.

E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK


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E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK


Re: Another automobile museum closes

 

Tom - do you by chance?have a list of car museums that have closed over the past few?years? Thanks.

Al Isselhard
Wolcott, NY

On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 1:03?AM Thomas Luce via <toml242001=[email protected]> wrote:
The Zimmerman Automobile Driving Museum in El Segundo CA has closed. This was a fantastic Museum and will be missed. All the vehicles will be auctioned off in the near future.?
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA



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Wolcott, New York



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Al Isselhard
Wolcott NY USA


Another automobile museum closes

 

The Zimmerman Automobile Driving Museum in El Segundo CA has closed. This was a fantastic Museum and will be missed. All the vehicles will be auctioned off in the near future.?
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Re: One More: IRWINDALE SPEEDWAY & DRAGSTRIP TO CLOSE AFTER 2024 SEASON

 

You are so correct!!! I've been there years ago. Orange Show is an incredible time capsule. It looks as it did 60 years ago?
?They even put dirt over asphalt for a short time.? It's still a long drive from my part of town. I hope to go back someday soon.?
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Re: One More: IRWINDALE SPEEDWAY & DRAGSTRIP TO CLOSE AFTER 2024 SEASON

 

The?Orange Show is still here also. ?Opened in 1947 it's the longest running race track on the West Coast.




On Thursday, October 31, 2024, 10:01 PM, Thomas Luce via groups.io <toml242001@...> wrote:

For Southern California,? this leaves only Ventura Raceway,? a 1.5 hours drive north, and Perris Auto Speedway,? a 1.5 hours drive east. There is nothing else in the greater Los Angeles basin. This is terrible!!!
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA

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Jack Minter
Mission Viejo CA USA


Re: One More: IRWINDALE SPEEDWAY & DRAGSTRIP TO CLOSE AFTER 2024 SEASON

 

For Southern California,? this leaves only Ventura Raceway,? a 1.5 hours drive north, and Perris Auto Speedway,? a 1.5 hours drive east. There is nothing else in the greater Los Angeles basin. This is terrible!!!
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Smith "Jiggler" at Riverview Park, Sioux City, IA

 

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I talked with a fellow from Sioux City, Iowa, named Mort Mulford who drove big cars and midgets from after World War II until the late ¡¯70s. He told me about a Smith Jiggler that was raced at Sioux City¡¯s Riverview Park Speedway quarter mile.

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The Jiggler was owned by Otto Hoffman who started racing before the war and mostly fielded low-bucks flathead fours. In 1949, Hoffman procured a car with a Smith Jiggler (see the clipping from the Sioux City Journal). Mort said that it didn¡¯t exactly fit the area rules at the time but, because it was it owned by Otto Hoffman, no one was worried about it being a ringer.

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(I¡¯ve attached a photo of the car and a closeup of the engine. LEEDS on the hood just refers to the Leeds section of Sioux City. All the photos are by Bob Stolze who documented racing from the first midget races in the mid ¡¯30s in Sioux City.)

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At the time, the newly formed Missouri Valley Auto Racing Association (MVARA) set the rules for Riverview. DOHC engines could be up to 105 c.i.d., OHV (in line) engines up to 125 c.i.d., V8-60s up to 146 c.i.d., and the Smith Jiggler up to 125 c.i.d. Sounded like maybe Hoffman¡¯s Jiggler used the regular V8-60 displacement of 136. (From an article in the Illustrated Speedway News, 1-28-49)

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Mort drove the car for him one night in July 1955 and ended up winning the B-feature. Otto had tears streaming down his face when Mort pulled in because none of his cars had ever won a race! (Photo of #4 about to be pushed off.)

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I have no proof, but I was told that the Jiggler in Hoffman¡¯s car may be the one in Bill Smith¡¯s museum in Lincoln, Nebraska.


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Jim Taggart
Brookings SD USA


Re: One More: IRWINDALE SPEEDWAY & DRAGSTRIP TO CLOSE AFTER 2024 SEASON

 

Teresa Earnhardt is planning to turn 399 acre beloved farm Dale left near Mooresville, NC into an industrial park. Earnhardt worked and improved the farm to relax, hunted on the land and cherished the setting.

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I just found out.? This is so sad!!!! Just what we need is another industrial park!!!
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Thomas Luce

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA