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Re: Does anyone know of a 2024 Indy 500 rebroadcast
There are several on youtube. On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 5:51?AM millerracers2000 via <tonydeseta=[email protected]> wrote:
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Don Stauffer Coon Rapids MN USA |
Re: Does anyone know of a 2024 Indy 500 rebroadcast
Peacock has it.
Best Regards, Tony De Seta Spring Grove,PA
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Does anyone know of a 2024 Indy 500 rebroadcast
I thought I was recording it, but the quaint and curious aspects of YouTubeTV defeated me. I was involved with watching the recorded Monaco GP, and missed the first 100 laps of Indy. Hoping there's a rebroadcast somewhere. ? Not quite curious enough to subscribe to one of the rebroadcast recordings. ? Thank you, Bob Storck in KCMO -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
Re: Prewar Midget winners.
Thank you, Bob. That clarifies a confusing statement. ? Anyone who has spent time in Chicago knows the issues of the city being by far the most congested rail hub in the country, perhaps the world. Complicating this is that the city relies on commuter trains which run on the same rails, meaning twice a day, freight trains are sidelined to allow commuter traffic. A plethora of road crossings, and long trains place road and rail vehicles in constant conflict ... and they have by the highest rail/road accident rate, fortunately mostly low speed. ? Beating the train there is often a local youthful sport. ? As a kid, I can recall being caught in the middle of a 8 track road crossing in downtown Chicago when the gates dropped on both sides, leaving us in the middle ... fortunately, Mom had gone to University there, kept her cool, and drove around the barriers. ? Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [RH] Prewar Midget winners. ? According to the Motorsports Memorial website:"Zale and fellow midget racer Frank Perrone were killed near Chicago on 25 April 1942 as they drove across railroad tracks. Although crossing lights were flashing red, the driver believed he had time to cross the tracks based on the distance to the approaching train. Unfortunately, he did not see a faster moving train coming from the opposite direction. After the faster train hit the car, the other train was not able to slow fast enough, and also hit the car." -- Bob Gardner San Diego CA USA -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
Thoughts for Memorial Day, as we remember our debt that we can never repay.
? Flying the flag doesn¡¯t make me an American ¡ Believing in our heritage and values does - Bob Storck ? My country is my honor and pride My sign of freedom is my flag - Bob Storck ? Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime. ¨C Adlai Stevenson ? Quality of life lies in knowledge, in moral culture. Values are what constitute true quality of life, the supreme quality of life, even above food, shelter and clothing. - Fidel Castro ? The life of the nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous. ¨C Frederick Douglass ? One flag, one land, one heart, one hand, one nation evermore! ¨C Oliver Wendell Holmes -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
Re: Book review of Speed Capital
... just the two volumes, Smitty ... not the entire first edition press run! -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [RH] Book review of Speed Capital ? ?
Bob, that depends on how big a mortgage I need to take out to be able to afford it(VBG)
Smitty
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On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 10:04:01 PM CDT, Bob Storck <bstorck@...> wrote:
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Thank you. Great suggestions. ? Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO -----Original Message----- ? Thanks, Bill.?
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In addition to "Speed Capital," here are two other 500-related books this group might find interesting:?
? "Vukovich: The Man Who Wouldn't Lift" was released a month ago on Halfcourt Press. This book was originally written by Indy sports writer Angelo Angelopolous, who died in 1962 before it could be published. The manuscript remained untouched until recently, when Indiana journalist Mark Montieth worked with Angelo's family to edit it and get it published. My understanding is that RH member Bob Gates, author of the excellent "Vukovich An Inspiring Story of American Achievement," was involved in this project. ? Also, Art Garner is writing a two-book, 620-page bio on A.J. Foyt expected to be published later this year on Octane Press. Garner is the author of "Black Noon: The Year They Stopped the Indy 500." ? ? Logan Molen Steamboat Springs, Colo. -- Bob Storck KC MO USA -- David Schmidt Highlands TX USA -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
Re: Book review of Speed Capital
Bob, that depends on how big a mortgage I need to take out to be able to afford it(VBG) Smitty
On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 10:04:01 PM CDT, Bob Storck <bstorck@...> wrote:
Thank you. Great suggestions. ? Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [RH] Book review of Speed Capital ? Thanks, Bill.?
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In addition to "Speed Capital," here are two other 500-related books this group might find interesting:?
? "Vukovich: The Man Who Wouldn't Lift" was released a month ago on Halfcourt Press. This book was originally written by Indy sports writer Angelo Angelopolous, who died in 1962 before it could be published. The manuscript remained untouched until recently, when Indiana journalist Mark Montieth worked with Angelo's family to edit it and get it published. My understanding is that RH member Bob Gates, author of the excellent "Vukovich An Inspiring Story of American Achievement," was involved in this project. ? Also, Art Garner is writing a two-book, 620-page bio on A.J. Foyt expected to be published later this year on Octane Press. Garner is the author of "Black Noon: The Year They Stopped the Indy 500." ? ? Logan Molen Steamboat Springs, Colo. -- Bob Storck KC MO USA -- David Schmidt Highlands TX USA |
Re: Book review of Speed Capital
Thanks, Bill.? In addition to "Speed Capital," here are two other 500-related books this group might find interesting:? "Vukovich: The Man Who Wouldn't Lift" was released a month ago on Halfcourt Press. This book was originally written by Indy sports writer Angelo Angelopolous, who died in 1962 before it could be published. The manuscript remained untouched until recently, when Indiana journalist Mark Montieth worked with Angelo's family to edit it and get it published. My understanding is that RH member Bob Gates, author of the excellent "Vukovich An Inspiring Story of American Achievement," was involved in this project. Also, Art Garner is writing a two-book, 620-page bio on A.J. Foyt expected to be published later this year on Octane Press. Garner is the author of "Black Noon: The Year They Stopped the Indy 500." Logan Molen Steamboat Springs, Colo. -- Logan Molen Steamboat Springs CO USA |
Re: Book review of Speed Capital
Thank you. Great suggestions. ? Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [RH] Book review of Speed Capital ? Thanks, Bill.?
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In addition to "Speed Capital," here are two other 500-related books this group might find interesting:?
? "Vukovich: The Man Who Wouldn't Lift" was released a month ago on Halfcourt Press. This book was originally written by Indy sports writer Angelo Angelopolous, who died in 1962 before it could be published. The manuscript remained untouched until recently, when Indiana journalist Mark Montieth worked with Angelo's family to edit it and get it published. My understanding is that RH member Bob Gates, author of the excellent "Vukovich An Inspiring Story of American Achievement," was involved in this project. ? Also, Art Garner is writing a two-book, 620-page bio on A.J. Foyt expected to be published later this year on Octane Press. Garner is the author of "Black Noon: The Year They Stopped the Indy 500." ? ? Logan Molen Steamboat Springs, Colo. -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
Re: Book review of Speed Capital
Thanks, Bill.?
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In addition to "Speed Capital," here are two other 500-related books this group might find interesting:?
? "Vukovich: The Man Who Wouldn't Lift" was released a month ago on Halfcourt Press. This book was originally written by Indy sports writer Angelo Angelopolous, who died in 1962 before it could be published. The manuscript remained untouched until recently, when Indiana journalist Mark Montieth worked with Angelo's family to edit it and get it published. My understanding is that RH member Bob Gates, author of the excellent "Vukovich An Inspiring Story of American Achievement," was involved in this project. ? Also, Art Garner is writing a two-book, 620-page bio on A.J. Foyt expected to be published later this year on Octane Press. Garner is the author of "Black Noon: The Year They Stopped the Indy 500." ? ? Logan Molen Steamboat Springs, Colo. -- Logan Molen Steamboat Springs CO USA |
Re: Prewar Midget winners.
According to the Motorsports Memorial website:
"Zale and fellow midget racer Frank Perrone were killed near Chicago on 25 April 1942 as they drove across railroad tracks. Although crossing lights were flashing red, the driver believed he had time to cross the tracks based on the distance to the approaching train. Unfortunately, he did not see a faster moving train coming from the opposite direction. After the faster train hit the car, the other train was not able to slow fast enough, and also hit the car." -- Bob Gardner San Diego CA USA |
Re: Book review of Speed Capital
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBill:Thanks for telling us about this new book. I, too, have ordered a copy, for the same reason you did the same. BTW, the copy you and I ordered is a soft cover copy. I see there is also a hard cover copy for exactly $100 additional! Wow! E Dean Butler Broughton Green, UK
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E. Dean Butler
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Book review of Speed Capital
Here is a book review of Speed Capital, a recent book about the history of IMS.? This appeared in the weekend edition?of the WSJ.? As race fans and racing historians, we should be pleased that the WSJ chose to run this in May.? ?From reading the review, it seems like author Brian Ingrassia may not cover any information about the speedway that members of Racing History do not already know.? Nonetheless, I think I will order the book. Oh yes, be sure and read Henry Ford's poetic quote about auto racing at the end.? I have never seen that before. Regards, Bill Blaylock Cars previously raced on roads. At Indy, they sped around an oval track. Thousands in the stands could watch at once. ![]() ![]() HANG A LEFT?Don Branson (3) and Eddie Sachs (12) at Turn 1 during the pace lap of the 1961 Indy 500.?JOHN G. ZIMMERMAN/ SPORTS ILLUSTRATED/ GETTY IMAGES Start Your Engines Speed Capital By Brian M. Ingrassia?Illinois, 304 pages, $ 24.95 BY MARK YOST BRIAN INGRASSIA¡¯S?¡°Speed Capital¡± has all the chills, spills and thrills that have come to define the Indianapolis 500 and the 2 1 /?2?-mile speedway where the race has been held since 1911. Mr. Ingrassia, a professor of history at West Texas A& M University, occasionally has trouble suppressing his tendency for academic-speak as he explores the race¡¯s broad effect on early 20thcentury America. Thankfully, once he gets to the actual history and development of the race, he proves to be an engaging storyteller. Mr. Ingrassia begins by reminding us that, since the city of Indianapolis wasn¡¯t situated on the banks of a fully navigable waterway that could connect it to the Ohio or the Mississippi rivers, it wasn¡¯t until the arrival of the train and the automobile that the scrappy city finally carved out an identity for itself. The driving force behind the historic racetrack was Carl Fisher, an industrialist who made his money in automotive headlights. Even in the early 1900s, this was big business, and the sale of his company, Prest-O-Lite, in 1913, netted Fisher and his business partner, James A. Allison, about $270 million in today¡¯s dollars. By then, racing fast cars was already a nationwide fascination, but America had nothing like the Indianapolis Motor Speedway that Fisher and his associates wanted to build west of the city¡¯s downtown. What made Fisher¡¯s racetrack plan unique was not only its size but its accessibility. Most car competitions at the time were point-to-point road races, the province of the very wealthy. The best the average American fan could hope for was a brief glimpse of a race car as it whizzed around a corner. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway, meanwhile, was an oval track that offered good sightlines from almost every vantage point. It thus democratized the sport, allowing tens of thousands of spectators to attend a race and see most of the action. Even fans without a car could take a streetcar to the track and buy an affordable ticket. The spectacle of the track and the race, Mr. Ingrassia argues, further encouraged the development of the automobile, as well as the roads to drive them on and the enthusiasts who passionately loved them. When the first races were run at the speedway in 1909 (two years before the first 500), Chicago auto clubs ¡°inaugurated a tradition of race-weekend pilgrimages, with about two hundred Chicagoans riding in fifty cars that departed from a Michigan Avenue hotel at 6:00 a.m.¡± After stopping for lunch in Lafayette, Ind., many drove the second leg of the roughly 200-mile trip and checked into the Claypool Hotel in downtown Indianapolis. ¡°The Claypool enabled people to travel to a central location in a city,¡± Mr. Ingrassia writes, ¡°where they paid to watch an entertaining type of the same sort of automotive space annihilation that had brought them there.¡± It¡¯s a phrase Mr. Ingrassia is particularly fond of, using some variation of ¡°spaceannihilating racing machines¡± about 20 times in the first four chapters alone. Given that?most Americans at the turn of the 20th century still traveled by horse or foot, however, 60-mile-an-hour race cars were, indeed, space-annihilating by comparison. Other sentences seem more at home in a doctoral dissertation: ¡°Motor sport reflected transformations in spatial and temporal relations, a cultural ritual where men made visible the promises of technology and infrastructure, testing their own ability to withstand the liberating yet deadly implications of modernity.¡± If the prose is highfalutin for a car race, the experience was anything but. Many spectators hadn¡¯t counted on witnessing these ¡°deadly implications.¡± While some cheered the death-defying drivers, others were appalled at the danger. During the races held in August 1909, for instance, five people were killed, including the driver William Bourque and his riding mechanic, Harry Holcomb; the two hit an uncovered drain on the track and slammed into the fence. ¡°Bourque fractured both legs and his skull, perishing on impact; Holcomb broke his arm and skull, dying on the way to the hospital.¡± Another driver, Albert Denison, was ¡°hysterical¡± upon learning of the deaths, and the automotive pioneer Louis Chevrolet ¡° ¡®staggered to a chair,¡¯ unable to stand ¡®the physical and emotional strain.¡¯ ¡±?¡°Public outcry prompted action,¡± Mr. Ingrassia writes. Grandstands ¡°were moved and concrete walls were built to protect pit crews.¡± The gravel-and-tar surface was deemed unsuitable for racing at those speeds. The solution was paver bricks¡ªthus the track¡¯s longstanding nickname, the Brickyard. ¡°The Indianapolis Motor Speedway was now the world¡¯s only brick-paved track, and it seemed to foreshadow the future of transportation,¡± providing engineers with a laboratory to study the latest automobile-related technologies. It also foreshadowed the nowfamous phrase, ¡°win on Sunday, sell on Monday.¡± Mr. Ingrassia reminds us that ¡°manufacturers used the new speedway for promotion, claiming their products were able to withstand racing¡¯s strenuous demands.¡± One ad ¡°touted the company¡¯s success . . . yet assured consumers that it sold ¡®safe, reliable, economical and serviceable cars.¡¯ ¡± Buick claimed its products¡¯ ¡°strength¡± and ¡°stamina¡± in racing demonstrated ¡°indestructible soundness.¡± The Indianapolis Motor Speedway continued to enjoy great popularity through much of the 20th century. But the Indy 500¡¯s cachet began to deteriorate in the 1990s when Nascar arrived at the track and started to outdraw the 500. IndyCar, the open-wheel series that competes there, has also declined in stature as it has been overshadowed by Formula One. For a handful of auto-racing aficionados, however, Carburetion Day¡ªwhen teams make their final adjustments on the Friday before the race¡ªremains one of the most anticipated days on the race calendar. Mr. Yost is the former Detroit bureau chief for the Dow Jones Newswires. ¡®Auto racing began five minutes after the second car was built.¡¯ ¡ª HENRY?FORD -- Bill Blaylock Sanbornville NH USA |
Re: Prewar Midget winners.
Bob, ?That thought crossed my mind as well? Gene Ingram ?New Castle, In. On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 7:39?PM Bob Storck via <bstorck=[email protected]> wrote:
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Gene Ingram List Owner New Castle IN USA |
Re: Prewar Midget winners.
Thank you Gene, and I'm not well versed in the prewar second level competition, and this is good perspective. ? Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Subject: [RH] Prewar Midget winners. ? Fellow Rhers,?
Can you imagine how many nights a week every week they had to run to win that many victories?
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¡°Back in the Day¡± ¨C Racing historian Ohio¡¯s Wilson ¡°Bill¡± Davis compiled a list of the top auto racing feature winners through 1945, basically before World War II. Davis¡¯ list, which appeared in the November 9, 1988 issue of National Speed Sport News, showed Chicago midget racer Wally Zale on top with 178 feature wins, followed by Ronnie Householder with 165. Gus Schrader (147 wins), Bill Holmes (146), Bill Schindler (145), Tony Willman (136), Bob Swanson (111), Ray Richards (105), Harry McQuinn (104) and Jimmy Wilburn (101) made up the rest of the ¡°top 10.¡± Zale won a record 67 midget main events in 1940. Sadly, Zale, along with fellow midget driver Frank Perrone, were killed in a two-train/single car accident in Oak Forest, Ill., in April of 1942. Zale was 36 years old. I believe Bill Davis¡¯ list consists of both ¡°big car¡± and midget victories.
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Gene Ingram
New Castle, In.
-- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
Prewar Midget winners.
Fellow Rhers,?
Can you imagine how many nights a week every week they had to run to win that many victories? ¡°Back in the Day¡± ¨C Racing historian Ohio¡¯s Wilson ¡°Bill¡± Davis compiled a list of the top auto racing feature winners through 1945, basically before World War II. Davis¡¯ list, which appeared in the November 9, 1988 issue of National Speed Sport News, showed Chicago midget racer Wally Zale on top with 178 feature wins, followed by Ronnie Householder with 165. Gus Schrader (147 wins), Bill Holmes (146), Bill Schindler (145), Tony Willman (136), Bob Swanson (111), Ray Richards (105), Harry McQuinn (104) and Jimmy Wilburn (101) made up the rest of the ¡°top 10.¡± Zale won a record 67 midget main events in 1940. Sadly, Zale, along with fellow midget driver Frank Perrone, were killed in a two-train/single car accident in Oak Forest, Ill., in April of 1942. Zale was 36 years old. I believe Bill Davis¡¯ list consists of both ¡°big car¡± and midget victories. Gene Ingram New Castle, In. -- Gene Ingram List Owner New Castle IN USA |
Another outstanding Dick Wallen film on You Tube
There is a neat series of Dick Wallen film clips at It runs 56 minutes and features: USAC midgets at San Bernadino (I am guessing 1966) with the leading midget drivers of the day. Atlanta champ car race in 1966 .? You will see Hurtubise running the Novi on the 1.5 mile track. Then a ?few misc. clips, including some drag racing. Sacramento 100, probably around 1966. Champ cars at the newly paved track at Phoenix.?? One scene shows Bobby Unser's brutal crash ?through the guard rail.?? Some stock car racing, including dirt miles and Daytona. 1966 Indy (good color film) and practice, qualifying and race.? It also includes a clip where a hot air balloon crashes into an infield outhouse and turns it over ¡ ugh. And lastly, a Gulf McLaren film on its Indy program in 1973 with Rutherford and Revson, and films of the 1973 race. Enjoy. Bill Blaylock -- Bill Blaylock Sanbornville NH USA |
Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."
Dean Its time for some new spectacles but I've misplaced your company information.Thanks Bob Pavlovich (Iddings Special #91)
On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 03:23:08 AM CDT, Edward Dean Butler via groups.io <edeanbutler@...> wrote:
Bob, That video is only a few weeks old! I think first week of February. Certainly it is from this year. E Dean Butler Broughton Green, UK
Thanks, Dean. ?For whatever year that clip came from, it was ?enjoyable. ?I had not realized how similar NZ midget racing was to ours. ?For a moment, I thought I was watching a USAC ?program at Ventura. Bill Blaylock Dallas On May 1, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Edward Dean Butler via <edeanbutler@...> wrote:
Not sure I am up to date, but a lot of NZ ¡°midget¡± racers have used Esslinger ?Ford based four cylinder engines, I think 2.3 liters. Esslinger is based in Chino, CA, but it is owned by a man from New Zealand. As I say, I am not sure this is current. BTW, I know that ten years ago some NZ midgets were running Toyota engines. E Dean Butler Broughton Green, UK
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Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBob, That video is only a few weeks old! I think first week of February. Certainly it is from this year.E Dean Butler Broughton Green, UK
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E. Dean Butler
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Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI saw this Toyota Midget engine in
American Museum of Speed. 400hp!? Maybe 20 years old now.
Lee Stohr
Port Angeles,WA
On 5/1/2024 7:08 PM, Bob Storck wrote:
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Lee Stohr Port Angeles WA USA |