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Re: New Book(s) About Supercharging and Turbocharging
Hello Team,
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These books are now entering the market. Amazon has listed them and with a huge discount. I don't know how long this will last!
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Absolutely right down our alley. See how many errors you can find!
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Re: Again, The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed Everything
Thank you. ? Food for thought, and will spark quite a few heated discussions at beer time. ? Seems to give short shrift to most drivers, and doesn't even mention dominating Cosworth DFV in passing. -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Sent: May 4, 2025 7:30 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [RH] Again, The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed Everything ? Trying again.? I am sending the article as an attachment.? You will note a blank table? in the frame for each car.? The statistics (years in competition, etc.) did not copy to the frame but appear below the photos.
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Hopefully, it works (more or less) this time.
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Bill Blaylock
Dallas
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Again, The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed Everything
Trying again.? I am sending the article as an attachment.? You will note a blank table? in the frame for each car.? The statistics (years in competition, etc.) did not copy to the frame but appear below the photos. Hopefully, it works (more or less) this time. Bill Blaylock Dallas -- Bill Blaylock Sanbornville NH USA |
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Re: OT - RRDC: Statement from Bobby Rahal on passing of Jochen Mass
? -----Original Message----- ? Mass won the 1975 Spanish Grand Prix with McLaren. In endurance racing, Mass won the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1989 with Sauber. ? ? ? -----Original Message----- ?
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Re: OT -- The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed Everything
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From: <[email protected]> Sent: May 4, 2025 7:11 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [RH] OT -- The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed Everything ? OT? -- Here is a neat article that appeared on Friday, in the atmosphere leading up to the F-1 race this weekend.
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Bill Blaylock
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The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed EverythingFrom Alfa Romeo to Red Bull, here¡¯s a look at the F1 machines that revolutionized the sport over the years?
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May 2, 2025 9:00 am?ET Listen (5 min) ?
The first dominant machine in Formula One, 75 years ago, was the Alfa Romeo 158¡ªwhich might look like a toy by today¡¯s standards. But it was state-of-the-art in its heyday. In recent history, it¡¯s the next-level Red Bull RB19, which in 2023 won all of but one of its 22 races. What follows are snapshots of the seven cars that have made their mark, and their power and race-victory scoreboards. ?
![]() Alfa Romeo 158 YearS in competition 13 10 races: wins: 1950-51 Share of win/races 77% 350 bhp Power ?
The first Formula One world championship had barely begun in 1950 when the sport discovered its first dominant machine. The Alfa Romeo 158, which was shaped like a cigar on wheels, won all six of the Grands Prix it entered that season, including three with future five-time world champion Juan Manuel Fangio at the wheel. And its successor, the 159, would be just as successful. But the most amazing part wasn¡¯t their speed. It was that the Alfa Romeo that powered to the 1950 world championship had originally been designed 12 years earlier, in 1938. ?
![]() Lotus 72 YearS in competition 75 20 races: wins: 1970-75 Share of win/races 27% 440¨C465 bhp Power ?
Perhaps the most revolutionary car in the history of Formula One, the Lotus 72 showed the world that aerodynamics wasn¡¯t merely a gimmick: It represented the future of the sport. The brainchild of British engineer Colin Chapman, one of F1¡¯s mad scientists, every part of the car was conceived to maximize ¡°ground effects,¡± shaping the airflow around the car to keep it pressed to the road at high speeds and prevent it from spinning out of corners. Though it was plagued by other safety issues, the Lotus 72 would influence F1 design for decades. ?
![]() McLaren MP4/4 Year in competition 16 15 races: wins: 1988 Share of win/races 94% 462 hp Power ?
By rights, the MP4/4 should have been a catastrophe. For the 1988 season, McLaren tore up a playbook that had delivered three titles in the previous four seasons, abruptly ditching its engine supplier in favor of a deal with??and hiring a new chief designer, Gordon Murray. Four months before the season, there wasn¡¯t even a vague sketch of what the car would look like. When it was finally unveiled, however, it was worth the wait. The MP4/4 won 15 of the 16 races that year as McLaren stormed to the title. ?
![]() Williams FW14B 1992 Year in competition 750 bhp Power 63% Share of win/races races: 16 wins: 10 ?
The FW14B wasn¡¯t so much a racing car as a 200-mph supercomputer with a spoiler on the back. Equipped with the sport¡¯s first on-board computer system, almost every part of the car was at the cutting edge: Microprocessors controlled the suspension, the throttle, the traction control, even a semiautomatic gearbox. At a time when no other F1 team was working with silicon in this way, the FW14B was faster, better and smarter. Williams won each of the first five races, clinching the world title with one third of the season still to run. ?
![]() Ferrari F2002 2002 Year in competition 835 bhp Power 79% races: 19 Share of win/races wins: 15 ?
When?Enzo Ferrari?founded the racing team that bears his name in 1929, his ambition was to achieve a level of supremacy unlike anything seen. In 2002, Ferrari did exactly that. Utilizing a lightweight chassis, a powerful V10 engine and bespoke tires from??specifically designed to match Michael Schumacher¡¯s driving style, the F2002 powered the German driver to the world title by a then-record margin of 68 points. ?
![]() Mercedes W07 Year in competition 21 19 races: wins: 2016 Share of win/races 91% 900 hp Power ?
The Lewis Hamilton dynasty at Mercedes defined the 2010s. And when he was at his best, only one other driver could get anywhere near him. It was teammate Nico Rosberg, and the reason he kept things close was that he happened to be driving the same all-conquering car. In 2016, the W07 won all but two of the season¡¯s 19 Grands Prix and went 1-2 in eight of them. The surprising twist that year was that Rosberg managed to nose in front of Hamilton for the world championship. ?
![]() Red Bull RB19 2023 Year in competition 1080 bhp Power 96% Share of win/races races: 22 wins: 21 ?
The RB19 was one in a long line of masterpieces by legendary F1 designer Adrian Newey. But combined with Dutch prodigy Max Verstappen in the cockpit it became one of the greatest race cars of all time. In 2023, Verstappen took the checkered flag a staggering 19 times in 22 races. His teammate Sergio Perez guided the RB19 to two victories of his own. The only non-Red Bull to win a race all season was Carlos Sainz¡¯s Ferrari. -- Bill Blaylock Sanbornville NH USA ? -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
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OT -- The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed Everything
OT? -- Here is a neat article that appeared on Friday, in the atmosphere leading up to the F-1 race this weekend. Bill Blaylock Dallas, TX The Seven Formula One Cars That Changed EverythingFrom Alfa Romeo to Red Bull, here¡¯s a look at the F1 machines that revolutionized the sport over the yearsMay 2, 2025 9:00 am?ET Listen (5 min) The first dominant machine in Formula One, 75 years ago, was the Alfa Romeo 158¡ªwhich might look like a toy by today¡¯s standards. But it was state-of-the-art in its heyday. In recent history, it¡¯s the next-level Red Bull RB19, which in 2023 won all of but one of its 22 races. What follows are snapshots of the seven cars that have made their mark, and their power and race-victory scoreboards. ![]() Alfa Romeo 158 YearS in competition 13 10 races: wins: 1950-51 Share of win/races 77% 350 bhp Power The first Formula One world championship had barely begun in 1950 when the sport discovered its first dominant machine. The Alfa Romeo 158, which was shaped like a cigar on wheels, won all six of the Grands Prix it entered that season, including three with future five-time world champion Juan Manuel Fangio at the wheel. And its successor, the 159, would be just as successful. But the most amazing part wasn¡¯t their speed. It was that the Alfa Romeo that powered to the 1950 world championship had originally been designed 12 years earlier, in 1938. ![]() Lotus 72 YearS in competition 75 20 races: wins: 1970-75 Share of win/races 27% 440¨C465 bhp Power Perhaps the most revolutionary car in the history of Formula One, the Lotus 72 showed the world that aerodynamics wasn¡¯t merely a gimmick: It represented the future of the sport. The brainchild of British engineer Colin Chapman, one of F1¡¯s mad scientists, every part of the car was conceived to maximize ¡°ground effects,¡± shaping the airflow around the car to keep it pressed to the road at high speeds and prevent it from spinning out of corners. Though it was plagued by other safety issues, the Lotus 72 would influence F1 design for decades. ![]() McLaren MP4/4 Year in competition 16 15 races: wins: 1988 Share of win/races 94% 462 hp Power By rights, the MP4/4 should have been a catastrophe. For the 1988 season, McLaren tore up a playbook that had delivered three titles in the previous four seasons, abruptly ditching its engine supplier in favor of a deal with??and hiring a new chief designer, Gordon Murray. Four months before the season, there wasn¡¯t even a vague sketch of what the car would look like. When it was finally unveiled, however, it was worth the wait. The MP4/4 won 15 of the 16 races that year as McLaren stormed to the title. ![]() Williams FW14B 1992 Year in competition 750 bhp Power 63% Share of win/races races: 16 wins: 10 The FW14B wasn¡¯t so much a racing car as a 200-mph supercomputer with a spoiler on the back. Equipped with the sport¡¯s first on-board computer system, almost every part of the car was at the cutting edge: Microprocessors controlled the suspension, the throttle, the traction control, even a semiautomatic gearbox. At a time when no other F1 team was working with silicon in this way, the FW14B was faster, better and smarter. Williams won each of the first five races, clinching the world title with one third of the season still to run. ![]() Ferrari F2002 2002 Year in competition 835 bhp Power 79% races: 19 Share of win/races wins: 15 When?Enzo Ferrari?founded the racing team that bears his name in 1929, his ambition was to achieve a level of supremacy unlike anything seen. In 2002, Ferrari did exactly that. Utilizing a lightweight chassis, a powerful V10 engine and bespoke tires from??specifically designed to match Michael Schumacher¡¯s driving style, the F2002 powered the German driver to the world title by a then-record margin of 68 points. ![]() Mercedes W07 Year in competition 21 19 races: wins: 2016 Share of win/races 91% 900 hp Power The Lewis Hamilton dynasty at Mercedes defined the 2010s. And when he was at his best, only one other driver could get anywhere near him. It was teammate Nico Rosberg, and the reason he kept things close was that he happened to be driving the same all-conquering car. In 2016, the W07 won all but two of the season¡¯s 19 Grands Prix and went 1-2 in eight of them. The surprising twist that year was that Rosberg managed to nose in front of Hamilton for the world championship. ![]() Red Bull RB19 2023 Year in competition 1080 bhp Power 96% Share of win/races races: 22 wins: 21 The RB19 was one in a long line of masterpieces by legendary F1 designer Adrian Newey. But combined with Dutch prodigy Max Verstappen in the cockpit it became one of the greatest race cars of all time. In 2023, Verstappen took the checkered flag a staggering 19 times in 22 races. His teammate Sergio Perez guided the RB19 to two victories of his own. The only non-Red Bull to win a race all season was Carlos Sainz¡¯s Ferrari. -- Bill Blaylock Sanbornville NH USA |
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Off Topic but you guys are an excellent resource
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Off topic, yes
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But you guys are the best .... we () are looking for a high-quality print, or dare I say negative of this image.
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It is the 9th of May 1965 at Laguna Seca .... U.S.R.R.C. and that is Ken Miles taking the checker from flagman and starter Don Seike.
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The car is a cut-back door 289 competition Cobra CSX2431 in U.S.R.R.C. configuration.
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We really want to make a banner and the image we have is not of the greatest quality.
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Dave Friedman was on the opposite side of the track, so for now, the photographer is unknown.
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Any leads would be great, thank you all.
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You can get back to turning left, haha!
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Brian Weatherman, archivist
Concord CA USA
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Re: Women racing in Ohio 1940s
I did search a little more in - the Lesick family seem to feature in the Salem, OH, newspapers. Found mention of a marriage license for Steve, a Helen Lesick becoming Helen Sox, but no mention of her with race results between 1935 and 1955. The only mention of Julia was that Longview result. Cheers, Darren Galpin Bristol, UK On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 12:31?AM Thomas Luce via <toml242001=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Women racing in Ohio 1940s
A family member found that very result from Longview. The racing Lesick's did in fact race outside of Ohio. There were 4 racing Lesick's who hailed from Ohio. Steve Lesick who raced just about everything, Another brother lost his life in a racing accident. The 2 woman were, Helen and Julia.?
A family member is putting together a history photo album for my mothers 100th birthday in May.?
It appears that mom is the sole surviving member of the Lesick family from the Youngstown, Hubbard Ohio areas.?
A little insight into Steve Lesick. His wife gave him an ultimatum: Pick racing or her, but you can't do both. Steve chose to retire from racing and become a family man. His day job was mechanic for the Blaney family race cars.?
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Re: Women racing in Ohio 1940s
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYou may need to look outside of Ohio - Julia Lesick won a race at Longview, PA, in July 1940. Haven't found any pictures though. Cheers, Darren GalpinBristol, UK
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Women racing in Ohio 1940s
I had 2 aunts from my mothers side who drove race cars in the Ohio area in the 1940s. Their names are Helen and Julia Lesick. It would be so cool to find photos of them in their racing attire.? All we know is they raced but have no photos or memorabilia. Many thanks for the consideration.?
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Re: Jim Clark
IMHO, you can do all the AI modeling you want, but lacking current telemetry/GPS tracking, video footage, or even reliable accident reconstruction prior to the impact area, ANYTHING would be dependant on a lot of supposition and guesstimates. -----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]> Sent: Apr 11, 2025 10:13 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [RH] Jim Clark ? I realize there has been hundreds of opinions about Jim Clark¡¯s accident, but the most reasonable one I¡¯ve ever seen is from Derek Bell, who was involved in the event where Clark died. At breakfast the morning of the accident Clark told Bell, ¡° Don¡¯t get too close behind me when you come up to lap me because my car is cutting out intermittently.¡±I am now going to quote Derek Bell¡¯s wonderful autobiography, MY RACING LIFE as I am sure many others have an interest in the event. ¡°I¡¯m absolutely certain in my own mind that misfire was the reason behind his death. I¡¯ve always believed it, despite having read opinions and assessments of the accident from the host of other people, including Colin Chapman. We could go around that long, right hand curve where Jimmy crashed side-by-side even in the rain at around 150 miles an hour. But it wasn¡¯t a place where you wanted to deal with a problem. I think Jimmy was having a terrible time with that misfire. Running alone, battling with a poor car on tires which were not working terribly well. I reckon the engine suddenly cut out. He would have automatically applied a touch of opposite lock as the car began to slide, and then the power came back on, the rear end gripped, and the car suddenly speared off into the trees on the side of the track.¡± A very reasonable assessment by a man who was there. All the best, Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette West Linn OR USA ? -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
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Re: Jim Clark
?I realize there has been hundreds of opinions about Jim Clark¡¯s accident, but the most reasonable one I¡¯ve ever seen is from Derek Bell, who was involved in the event where Clark died. At breakfast the morning of the accident Clark told Bell, ¡° Don¡¯t get too close behind me when you come up to lap me because my car is cutting out intermittently.¡±
I am now going to quote Derek Bell¡¯s wonderful autobiography, MY RACING LIFE as I am sure many others have an interest in the event. ¡°I¡¯m absolutely certain in my own mind that misfire was the reason behind his death. I¡¯ve always believed it, despite having read opinions and assessments of the accident from the host of other people, including Colin Chapman. We could go around that long, right hand curve where Jimmy crashed side-by-side even in the rain at around 150 miles an hour. But it wasn¡¯t a place where you wanted to deal with a problem. I think Jimmy was having a terrible time with that misfire. Running alone, battling with a poor car on tires which were not working terribly well. I reckon the engine suddenly cut out. He would have automatically applied a touch of opposite lock as the car began to slide, and then the power came back on, the rear end gripped, and the car suddenly speared off into the trees on the side of the track.¡± A very reasonable assessment by a man who was there. All the best, Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette West Linn OR USA |
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Jim Clark
Its been 57 years since the 1968 death of Jim Clark at Hockenheim in Germany. The eye-witness accounts have been at best, very vague. What has surprised me is with the advancements in Computer technology, no one has attempted to produce a AI version of the accident. Looking at the remains of the Lotus, it just defies logic how the car ended up so dismembered like it did. An AI attempt (however flawed) would at least try to understand the trajectory and the violence of any impact. This is not an attempt to find blood but to finally (better) understand how the sequence occurred.??
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Eddie Jordan
In the long history of Formula One, amid flamboyant characters like Teddy Yip, Lucky Castner, Flavio Briatore, Mike Hawthorn, Colin Chapman, etc., Irishman Eddie Jordan rose above the throng. While other team owners sought to make their cars fast or dominating, Eddie's oft expressed desire was to make racing "sexy!" ? If you do a search for his images, most will be splashed with his signature yellow everywhere, and invariably they will include two or more bountiful babes. The scrappy former Dublin street-trader also captured imaginations with his lucrative, swashbuckling sponsorship deals ¨C including one when he managed to convince delivery firm DHL to repaint their entire international fleet of white vans and planes with his famous ¡°Jordan Yellow¡±. ? Eddie once recalled: ¡°We were like cowboys in the Wild West, chasing around finding money.¡± Few were his equal. ? He was also famous for what even back in 1990 was described as an ¡°uncanny ability to spot young drivers and maximize their potential¡±.?Those he gave big breaks to including world champions Ayrton Senna, Damon Hill, and Michael Schumacher ... rescuing the future seven time champion from being a cast off who all teams had passed on for any of their series. Other F1 winners to drive for him included Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barichello, Ralf Schumacher, Jean Alesi, Martin Brundle, Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Rubens Barichello. ? He discovered Katy Price as one of his pit girls, guiding her from tabloids to SuperModel, to TV, music and other varied careers to the heights of celebrity. She recalls: "He was a very charismatic and fun character to be around whose humor, just like himself, was unique. It's a great loss to the F1 family and he will be missed around the Paddock." ? Jordan was a competitive driver in F2 and F3, before turning his talents to team management with his expansive promotional skills. Keen musician Jordan even played the drums in a rock and roll band ... which should surprise no one! ? It's fitting that Eddie survived one more St. Patrick's Day and I'm sure he left with a song in heart and a pint on his lips. -- Bob Storck KC MO USA |
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Re: Red Cross donation time again
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI do platelets on a regular basis at the Louisville, KY Center. I started that about 14 years ago. Claude Watson Corydon, IN USA On 3/20/2025 10:09 PM, Thomas Luce via
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