Off Topic: Some USAC sprints and a film on Alfa Romeo Formula One years
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Here are two items, each of which is OT.
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For the first, I recommend that anyone who has a FLO Subscription watch the replays of both the Friday night and Saturday night USAC sprint car races at Lawrenceburg. ??Apart from the racing, the clever hype and sometimes poetic commentary that announcers can come up with never cease to amaze me.? ?As the cars come around for the feature, you will hear “get ready to rack, stack and shuffle” and “this is what you saved your lunch money for.”? You will also hear (and see) Briggs Danner do a “bunny hop” in Turn 1.? If you do not have access to FLO, you can watch highlights of the Friday night feature at and the Saturday night feature at ?
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For the second, many of you will have seen this.? It is a treasure:? a 51 minute clip from Racing Through Time on the history of Alfa Romeo’s Grand Prix efforts up through 1951, then the ?Mille Miglia, at .? This has original footage of Alfa’s great cars and drivers.
Enjoy.
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Bill Blaylock
Sanbornville NH USA
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An interesting find.? I'm confident that is a 1950s vintage,not1940s.The De Dion rear axle and inboard brakes make me think it was purpose built for road racing.? The engine is centered in the chassis with the driver sitting to the left of the drive line that
also suggests a road race heritage.? I doubt the Kurtis/Winfield connection.? If Kurtis built it, I'm sure there would be some documentation to substantiate it.? A real mystery car.
-- Chuck Fawcett
Westminster CA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Actually, the race at Culver City Speedway took place on Sunday, July 18, 1954, not in 1952. The results: Don? Noel, Fred Russell, Termite Snyder in the main event in the film is the same results from the L.A. Times dated July 19, 1954. (Results from Sunday in Monday morning paper. Great film. Extremely clear.
Bob Mitchell Simi Valley CA USA
On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 09:35:17 AM PDT, Tom Tlusty via groups.io <hlfuzzball@...> wrote:
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Watch "Jalopy Races from Hollywood 1952. Dirt track racing action from Culver City Stadium, California." on YouTube
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Tom Tlusty
Plymouth MI USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
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Watch "Jalopy Races from Hollywood 1952. Dirt track racing action from Culver City Stadium, California." on YouTube
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Tom Tlusty
Plymouth MI USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Jalopy history update: When the NASCAR XFINITY race took place at Talladega recently and was televised on the "CW Network", local Los Angeles TV station KTLA-5 is a CW station,? and it was the first time in 59 years that KTLA broadcast a auto race, the last time was Figure-8 racing at Ascot Park Gardena in 1965.
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA
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CJA Driver buttons for sale
Check out driver buttons for CJA drivers on ebay:
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Carey
Davis
Prescott,
AZ
-- Carey Davis,
Prescott AZ?USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
I really feel bumbed out. A number of years ago I could answer all questions regarding the CJA because the information was just feet away and I? had 95+% success in my research efforts. The last few years have been challenging and all the saved research materials have suffered while in storage. I could have used 50 large waterproof plastic tubs but that was just a dream. Waterproof does not mean moisture proof. Someday in the future I hope to be able to quickly grab a document and help researchers who have followed my footsteps? for preserving racing in Southern California.?
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Jim, at Gardena Stadium in 1956 Don Paul drove #214 (Bill Mangold's race car) and Don Noel drove #188, is own car.
Bob Mitchell Simi Valley CA USA
On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 10:52:07 AM PDT, Jim Thurman <jim.thurman@...> wrote:
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I wondered if "Don Paul" was a newspaper error for Don Noel instead of an alias. One week "Don Paul" was in the dash and "Don Noel" won the main. There were only one or two other appearances of "Don Paul" in newspaper results, but a lot for Don Noel.
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Jim Thurman
Palmdale CA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association help wanted (Tom Luce?)
Tom,
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I wondered if "Don Paul" was a newspaper error for Don Noel instead of an alias. One week "Don Paul" was in the dash and "Don Noel" won the main. There were only one or two other appearances of "Don Paul" in newspaper results, but a lot for Don Noel.
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Jim Thurman
Palmdale CA USA
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Here is a couple of cockpit views and a front suspension view of the pho-Kurtis that were asked for. Ideas are welcome! Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
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A few more photos of the front suspension and dash/interior? might be help full. Any old photos? Very interesting find.? James Long?
On Friday, October 11, 2024, 11:44 AM, Dale LaFollette via groups.io <dhlaf@...> wrote: I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
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James Long
Nevada City CA USA
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Looks like a very nice find, and is it in OR ... and where did it come from?
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I'd be curious what the Kurtis claim is based on, as the frame doesn't seem to follow his practice on other cars, and the cowl and grille are generic for the time ... the latter a speed shop item.
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Sure is an impressive induction and rear suspension, and the two seat configuration would add to the road racing probability. Track roadster, ala Vollstedt, Sutton, etc?
Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO
-----Original Message----- From: < [email protected]> Sent: Oct 11, 2024 10:44 AM To: < [email protected]> Subject: [RH] Kurtis-Winfield or ?
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I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR
-- Bob Storck KC MO USA
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do you really want to restore an original car like this. ????????
On Friday, October 11, 2024 at 11:44:43 AM EDT, Dale LaFollette via groups.io <dhlaf@...> wrote:
I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
-- Gerald Lettieri Rocky Hill CT USA
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I am enclosing four photographs and looking for some identity of same. A good friend of mine purchased this car this year and is planning on restoring it. However, it has been very hard to track down the history. It is rumored that the car was at least partially built by Kurtis and a very complex manifold was built by Ed Winfield. We have not been able to substantiate any of this conclusively. However, the chassis seems to have been professionally built. The engine is an early Chrysler hemi and the transmission is a Packard. This is only a guess, but we both feel that the car was built in the late 40s or early 50s. It has independence suspension all the way around and we think it was meant to be a road racer. The back of the frame was cut off and the rollbar added at some point in its life when someone tried to turn it into a drag racer, but then gave up. If anyone has any knowledge of this car please let me know. Thanks. Dale LaFollette West Linn, OR -- Dale LaFollette
West Linn OR USA
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Gene:
Thank you for looking into this. I have gordon white
gewhite122@... as his email address. Pease get with him to get Gordon back on the list.
Kem
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On Behalf Of Gene Ingram via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 4:04 AM
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Subject: [RH] Gordon White
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?I looked in the files for Gordon White. He shows a member in good standing.? This is the email address on file that messages would be sent to.
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Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA
-- Kem Robertson
Huntsville AL USA
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?I looked in the files for Gordon White. He shows a member in good standing.? This is the email address on file that messages would be sent to.
Gene Ingram New Castle, In.
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association
Something happened to one of my replies.
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association
All:
Just received an email from Gordon White asking about the RacingHistory group. At some point he has discovered he is not receiving any emails. Can someone please make sure he is on the distribution list.
Thanks,
Kem
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Thank you for sharing Randall. That brought back a lot of memories.
Bob Gardner
San Diego CA USA
-- Kem Robertson
Huntsville AL USA
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Re: CJA - California Jalopy Association
Thank you for sharing Randall. That brought back a lot of memories.
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Bob Gardner
San Diego CA USA
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This really good stuff!
Randall, thanks for sharing.
E Dean Butler Broughton Green, UK
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On 8 Oct 2024, at 18:00, Randall Cook via groups.io <ndrjc1@...> wrote:
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??? Speaking of Culver City here's an old film from 1952 that I recently ran across.? The film is of very high quality so I assume it must have run on local television.? Maybe some of you here know more of the details of how this film came about.
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Randall Cook
Indianapolis, IN
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E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK
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Bob Storck
Gerald Lettieri
