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Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

 

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I saw this Toyota Midget engine in American Museum of Speed. 400hp!? Maybe 20 years old now.
Lee Stohr
Port Angeles,WA


On 5/1/2024 7:08 PM, Bob Storck wrote:

Thank you. I recall in the pre-Offy era, midgets were 'poor boy' racers on all continents, with engines ranging from flathead Ford 4s, Fiats, Willys, etc. Now it seems you go for the hot thing, relying on imports.

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Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO



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Lee Stohr
Port Angeles WA USA


Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

 

Thank you. I recall in the pre-Offy era, midgets were 'poor boy' racers on all continents, with engines ranging from flathead Ford 4s, Fiats, Willys, etc. Now it seems you go for the hot thing, relying on imports.

?

Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: May 1, 2024 4:53 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [RH] 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

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Not sure I am up to date, but a lot of NZ “midget” racers have used Esslinger ?Ford based four cylinder engines, I think 2.3 liters. Esslinger is based in Chino, CA, but it is owned by a man from New Zealand.
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As I say, I am not sure this is current.
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BTW, I know that ten years ago some NZ midgets were running Toyota engines.
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E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK


On May 1, 2024, at 10:31 PM, Bob Storck <bstorck@...> wrote:

Thank you

?

Sure wish there was more racing and less survival testing. Sad to see all racing become cookie cutter cars.

?

What engines do they use in NZ?

?

Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: May 1, 2024 2:20 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [RH] 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

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Enjoy!
?
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E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA


Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

 

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Thanks, Dean. ?For whatever year that clip came from, it was ?enjoyable. ?I had not realized how similar NZ midget racing was to ours. ?For a moment, I thought I was watching a USAC ?program at Ventura.

Bill Blaylock
Dallas


On May 1, 2024, at 4:53?PM, Edward Dean Butler via groups.io <edeanbutler@...> wrote:

?Not sure I am up to date, but a lot of NZ “midget” racers have used Esslinger ?Ford based four cylinder engines, I think 2.3 liters. Esslinger is based in Chino, CA, but it is owned by a man from New Zealand.

As I say, I am not sure this is current.

BTW, I know that ten years ago some NZ midgets were running Toyota engines.

E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK


On May 1, 2024, at 10:31 PM, Bob Storck <bstorck@...> wrote:

Thank you

?

Sure wish there was more racing and less survival testing. Sad to see all racing become cookie cutter cars.

?

What engines do they use in NZ?

?

Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: May 1, 2024 2:20 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [RH] 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

?

Enjoy!
?
?
E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK

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E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK

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Bob Storck
KC MO USA


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E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK

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Bill Blaylock

Sanbornville NH USA


Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

 

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Not sure I am up to date, but a lot of NZ “midget” racers have used Esslinger ?Ford based four cylinder engines, I think 2.3 liters. Esslinger is based in Chino, CA, but it is owned by a man from New Zealand.

As I say, I am not sure this is current.

BTW, I know that ten years ago some NZ midgets were running Toyota engines.

E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK


On May 1, 2024, at 10:31 PM, Bob Storck <bstorck@...> wrote:

Thank you

?

Sure wish there was more racing and less survival testing. Sad to see all racing become cookie cutter cars.

?

What engines do they use in NZ?

?

Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: May 1, 2024 2:20 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [RH] 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

?

Enjoy!
?
?
E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK

--
E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK

?


--
Bob Storck
KC MO USA


--
E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK


Re: 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

 

Thank you

?

Sure wish there was more racing and less survival testing. Sad to see all racing become cookie cutter cars.

?

What engines do they use in NZ?

?

Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: May 1, 2024 2:20 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [RH] 2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

?

Enjoy!
?
?
E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK

--
E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK

?


--
Bob Storck
KC MO USA


2024 New Zealand "Midget Car Grand Prix."

 

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Enjoy!


E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK

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E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK


Re: INDYCAR Race Winner, Longtime Official Dallenbach Dies at 87

 

I saw Dallenbach win the 1973 California 500 at Ontario Motor Speedway.?
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Thomas Luce
Manhattan Beach CA USA


Re: INDYCAR Race Winner, Longtime Official Dallenbach Dies at 87

 

Wally was the glue that held CART together. I worked with him every year that he came to Portland for our CART race, he was a man a few words, but they were important words.
I was able to ride around California Speedway in the backseat of Wally’s hot rod Cadillac during an actual practice. All the drivers knew Wally’s car quite well and they came up alongside us and harass us all around our lap. While the CART cars were just loafing, Wally was pushing the Cadillac so it was quite a ride. RIP Wally, great memories!

All the best,

Dale LaFollette
West Linn, OR
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Dale LaFollette

West Linn OR USA


A short film on the 1912 Indy 500

 

?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_6DSc4vO_A
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Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA


INDYCAR Race Winner, Longtime Official Dallenbach Dies at 87

 




Bill Blaylock
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Bill Blaylock

Sanbornville NH USA


Re: AVUS - The Automobil-Verkehrs und ?bungsstra?e.

 

Steve, that is the best clip I have seen on AVUS.? The photos of those streamliners from the?1930s are?astounding.??I remember Chris Economaki telling the story of how as a WWII vet., or possibly a GI from the post-war European occupation force, he visited AVUS and climbed with great effort up the north turn banking.? He was in awe of the place.??

The 1959 German GP was held there.? Link:??

Here is another clip on the remnants of the track today.? I suggest you watch Steve's clip before this one.??

If you enjoy simulations, here is a clip of laps in a streamliner:??

And here is a narration?by??Hans-Joachim Stuck on his family history at the track, with some old film clips and his touring car win at the track.??


And lastly, a one minute film clip on the 1959 GP, which shows the brutal crash that? Hans Hermann walked away from:


Bill Blaylock
Dallas, TX

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:29?AM Al Isselhard via <speedway2742=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for?sharing this interesting?video of German racing history.

Al Isselhard
Wolcott, NY

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:07?AM Steve Zautke via <szautke=[email protected]> wrote:
Excellent video on the old AVUS track in Berlin, Germany.?

The Automobil-Verkehrs- und ?bungsstra?e.



Steve Zautke
Big Bend WI USA



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Al Isselhard?
Wolcott, New York



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Al Isselhard
Wolcott NY USA


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Bill Blaylock

Sanbornville NH USA


Re: AVUS - The Automobil-Verkehrs und ?bungsstra?e.

 

Thanks for?sharing this interesting?video of German racing history.

Al Isselhard
Wolcott, NY

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:07?AM Steve Zautke via <szautke=[email protected]> wrote:
Excellent video on the old AVUS track in Berlin, Germany.?

The Automobil-Verkehrs- und ?bungsstra?e.



Steve Zautke
Big Bend WI USA



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Al Isselhard?
Wolcott, New York



--
Al Isselhard
Wolcott NY USA


AVUS - The Automobil-Verkehrs und ?bungsstra?e.

 

Excellent video on the old AVUS track in Berlin, Germany.?

The Automobil-Verkehrs- und ?bungsstra?e.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU9AphgxUyk

Steve Zautke
Big Bend WI USA


Re: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!

 

Yes, and ironically, electric fire apparatus are now being sold! I saw one last week at a fire department conference here in Indianapolis.

Jack Finney
Avon, IN


On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 09:47:05 PM EDT, Bob Storck <bstorck@...> wrote:


Thank you, Jack.

?

Sad that this might be considered political, but this points out how a once 'miracle technological solution' soon fell out of favor due to the risk. Note that incendiary lithium is a major component of today's EVs, capable of ignition from as many triggers as calcium carbide, yet that aspect is all but suppressed.

?

There are less dangerous solutions in process, and the allure of EV power is undeniable. We have to let the market and technology catch up.

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: Apr 24, 2024 7:46 PM
To: Racing History <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [RH] You Ruined My Sauerkraut!

?

?
A third explosion and fire occurred in the new South Street building on June 6, 1908. That one caused only minor damage to Prest-O-Lite but heavily damaged a fire station and hospital and broke windows in hundreds of homes and buildings. It was this incident that forced the gas refilling operation to move to what would later become Speedway, Indiana.?
? ?There was also a very unfortunate accident during the construction of a building for the Prest-O-Starter division of Prest-O-Lite. That happened in late 1911 and took the lives of ten men while injuring 25 more.?
? ?A chapter of my book, "Historic Indianapolis Fires & Disasters," covers details of all four incidents. It was published in February by the History Press and is available at bookstores, Amazon, and eBay.
?
Jack Finney
Avon, IN
?
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 07:01:33 PM EDT, Gene Ingram <geno1966@...> wrote:
?
?

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Subject: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!
?
?

While Indianapolis Motor Speedway founders Jim Allison and Carl Fisher were successful businessmen, their lives were changed when Percy “Fred” Avery walked into Fisher’s automobile dealership in 1904 and showed him the contraption that would become the first reliable source of power for automobile headlights. They formed the Concentrated Acetylene Company to produce cylinders filled with highly explosive acetylene gas. Thinking the company’s name didn’t have much pizzaz, it was changed to Prest-O-Lite reflecting the ease and quickness of lighting the headlights.

?

By 1909, the complexity of their product had grown from a simple acetylene canister to feed a lamp to the “Prest-O-Liter” which automatically regulated the pressure and was able to feed two, three, and even five lamps. Not only could up to five lamps be lit, but by turning a knob, the driver could change its brightness.

?

The company began in a shed on the northside of Indianapolis. Having outgrown the shed, it was relocated to a three-story building on the southeast side of Indianapolis. It was in a mixed usage neighborhood which provided a labor source, most of whom could walk to work. It was also close to the stockyards providing quick access to the railroad depot from which filled canisters could be shipped nationwide.

?

The ground floor was used for the filling and storage of the acetylene canisters. In the filling area, they had a dozen large, leak-proof tanks containing calcium carbide. In the filling process, the calcium carbide was combined with water to make acetylene gas. This gas was put into the Prest-O-Lite canister. Until the time for transport to the train station by horse-drawn dray, the canisters were stored on the first floor close to the filling area. The second floor was used for the assembly area where the canisters were refurbished when they were returned for refilling. The third floor was the company’s offices where three clerks, the head of sales, and the plant manager had their offices.

?

On a sultry August 1907 day, between 200 and 300 canisters were waiting for shipment. Nearby, John Luckey was filling canisters. Suddenly he saw a fire break out. His first thought was to turn off the electricity to the filling machine. In his rush to reach the switch, he fell over a can of gas. Even though his hand was cut and his knee was sprained, he turned off the machine before rushing outdoors.

?

Suddenly, the tanks inside the building became heated to the point where they started exploding. The employees on the first floor were able to escape the flames and the exploding canisters. It was more challenging for those employees on the second and third floors. Those on the second floor escaped through a window using a rope. The third-floor employees, including three women dressed in floor-length dresses, escaped through a window and down a fire escape.

?

It was fortunate all the employees escaped quickly. For the first half-hour, exploding tanks became jagged pieces of steel hurtling through the air. Other tanks were like missiles being propelled from the building. One two-to-three-pound tank flew about 150 feet and impaled a railroad car. Another part of a tank flew across East Street and hit the side of Frank O’Brien’s restaurant.

?

Rushing to the scene, fire chief Charles E. Coots could see from a distance the neighborhood where the fire was raging and instinctively knew it was the Prest-O-Lite plant. He had been concerned by the location of the plant given the explosive nature of the gas. With the barrage of exploding cylinders, his initial focus was to keep his men from risking their lives. The firemen prevented catastrophic damage to the building and nearby structures by providing a stream of water to the retaining tanks and kept them from exploding. If water had gotten into the tanks, when combined with the calcium carbonate, the resulting explosion would have caused significant damage to the surrounding area and possibly a significant loss of life.

?

Following the fire, Charles Coots joined forces with building inspector Thomas Winterrowd to urge the city council to adopt an ordinance prohibiting the filling of canisters inside the city limits. This action, if taken, would have caused Prest-O-Lite to cease operations in Indianapolis until a new building was located and the operations resumed.? Prest-O-Lite announced that they would build a new location on South Street, near St. Vincent’s hospital.? Given the location of the proposed new factory, public sentiment was that the operations of Prest-O-Lite should not be within the city limits. But there was not a city ordinance prohibiting businesses with a “hazardous characteristic” from being located within the city. Despite misgivings, Winterrowed’s hands were tied by the lack of an ordinance. The proposed concrete and steel building met all of the codes of the city in terms of construction and fire safety. Reluctantly, he approved the building plans. Prest-O-Lite agreed that after filling the gas canisters, they would be stored in a concrete vault, and they would limit the number of large tanks of calcium carbide.

?

As construction was proceeding on the new location, operations resumed in the previously damaged building. Due to heavy damage on the top two floors, the business filling operation and refurbishment of the tanks were on the first floor leading to very crowded conditions.

?

Suddenly, on December 20, 1907, history repeated itself. John Luckey was working on the gas generator while Elmer Jessup was polishing the brass cylinders on the buffing machine as part of the refurbishment process. Employees later indicated that unlike the first time, the explosion was simultaneous with seeing the flames. Very quickly the flames were waist deep and spreading toward the ceiling.

?

Unlike the fire in August, this fire had serious injuries. Jessup was located farthest from the door when the explosion occurred and was gravely burned. He later died from his injuries. Luckey escaped without a scratch.

?

The exploding tanks sounded as if there was a bombardment. Just before the arrival of the first firemen, a cylinder was blown from one of the windows across the street to Frank O’Brien’s restaurant. O’Brien had been cooking a batch of sauerkraut. The force of the explosion blew the lid off the sauerkraut ruining the batch.

?

Despite the efforts of the Indianapolis Fire Department, the building was destroyed by the two-alarm fire.

?

The repercussions of the two explosions resulted in the passing of an ordinance in April 1908 prohibiting the manufacture?or storage of gas within the city limits, effectively banning Prest-O-Lite from conducting operations at the existing facilities. The ordinance further required that the building be at least fifty feet from any public highway and sixty feet from the line of any abutting property.?

?

Prest-O-Lite had been anticipating this action and had purchased property outside the city limits at River Road and White River which met all the parameters established by the city council. Construction of the new facility had begun but was not yet completed. If the ordinance was strictly enforced, this would have shut down the Indianapolis operations. The owners negotiated with city officials to allow the operations, including the charging of gas cylinders, to continue until the new plant could open.

Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA

--
Jack Finney
Avon IN USA

?


--
Bob Storck
KC MO USA
--
Jack Finney
Avon IN USA


Re: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!

 

Thank you, Jack.

?

Sad that this might be considered political, but this points out how a once 'miracle technological solution' soon fell out of favor due to the risk. Note that incendiary lithium is a major component of today's EVs, capable of ignition from as many triggers as calcium carbide, yet that aspect is all but suppressed.

?

There are less dangerous solutions in process, and the allure of EV power is undeniable. We have to let the market and technology catch up.

-----Original Message-----
From: <[email protected]>
Sent: Apr 24, 2024 7:46 PM
To: Racing History <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [RH] You Ruined My Sauerkraut!

?

?
A third explosion and fire occurred in the new South Street building on June 6, 1908. That one caused only minor damage to Prest-O-Lite but heavily damaged a fire station and hospital and broke windows in hundreds of homes and buildings. It was this incident that forced the gas refilling operation to move to what would later become Speedway, Indiana.?
? ?There was also a very unfortunate accident during the construction of a building for the Prest-O-Starter division of Prest-O-Lite. That happened in late 1911 and took the lives of ten men while injuring 25 more.?
? ?A chapter of my book, "Historic Indianapolis Fires & Disasters," covers details of all four incidents. It was published in February by the History Press and is available at bookstores, Amazon, and eBay.
?
Jack Finney
Avon, IN
?
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 07:01:33 PM EDT, Gene Ingram <geno1966@...> wrote:
?
?

--
Subject: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!
?
?

While Indianapolis Motor Speedway founders Jim Allison and Carl Fisher were successful businessmen, their lives were changed when Percy “Fred” Avery walked into Fisher’s automobile dealership in 1904 and showed him the contraption that would become the first reliable source of power for automobile headlights. They formed the Concentrated Acetylene Company to produce cylinders filled with highly explosive acetylene gas. Thinking the company’s name didn’t have much pizzaz, it was changed to Prest-O-Lite reflecting the ease and quickness of lighting the headlights.

?

By 1909, the complexity of their product had grown from a simple acetylene canister to feed a lamp to the “Prest-O-Liter” which automatically regulated the pressure and was able to feed two, three, and even five lamps. Not only could up to five lamps be lit, but by turning a knob, the driver could change its brightness.

?

The company began in a shed on the northside of Indianapolis. Having outgrown the shed, it was relocated to a three-story building on the southeast side of Indianapolis. It was in a mixed usage neighborhood which provided a labor source, most of whom could walk to work. It was also close to the stockyards providing quick access to the railroad depot from which filled canisters could be shipped nationwide.

?

The ground floor was used for the filling and storage of the acetylene canisters. In the filling area, they had a dozen large, leak-proof tanks containing calcium carbide. In the filling process, the calcium carbide was combined with water to make acetylene gas. This gas was put into the Prest-O-Lite canister. Until the time for transport to the train station by horse-drawn dray, the canisters were stored on the first floor close to the filling area. The second floor was used for the assembly area where the canisters were refurbished when they were returned for refilling. The third floor was the company’s offices where three clerks, the head of sales, and the plant manager had their offices.

?

On a sultry August 1907 day, between 200 and 300 canisters were waiting for shipment. Nearby, John Luckey was filling canisters. Suddenly he saw a fire break out. His first thought was to turn off the electricity to the filling machine. In his rush to reach the switch, he fell over a can of gas. Even though his hand was cut and his knee was sprained, he turned off the machine before rushing outdoors.

?

Suddenly, the tanks inside the building became heated to the point where they started exploding. The employees on the first floor were able to escape the flames and the exploding canisters. It was more challenging for those employees on the second and third floors. Those on the second floor escaped through a window using a rope. The third-floor employees, including three women dressed in floor-length dresses, escaped through a window and down a fire escape.

?

It was fortunate all the employees escaped quickly. For the first half-hour, exploding tanks became jagged pieces of steel hurtling through the air. Other tanks were like missiles being propelled from the building. One two-to-three-pound tank flew about 150 feet and impaled a railroad car. Another part of a tank flew across East Street and hit the side of Frank O’Brien’s restaurant.

?

Rushing to the scene, fire chief Charles E. Coots could see from a distance the neighborhood where the fire was raging and instinctively knew it was the Prest-O-Lite plant. He had been concerned by the location of the plant given the explosive nature of the gas. With the barrage of exploding cylinders, his initial focus was to keep his men from risking their lives. The firemen prevented catastrophic damage to the building and nearby structures by providing a stream of water to the retaining tanks and kept them from exploding. If water had gotten into the tanks, when combined with the calcium carbonate, the resulting explosion would have caused significant damage to the surrounding area and possibly a significant loss of life.

?

Following the fire, Charles Coots joined forces with building inspector Thomas Winterrowd to urge the city council to adopt an ordinance prohibiting the filling of canisters inside the city limits. This action, if taken, would have caused Prest-O-Lite to cease operations in Indianapolis until a new building was located and the operations resumed.? Prest-O-Lite announced that they would build a new location on South Street, near St. Vincent’s hospital.? Given the location of the proposed new factory, public sentiment was that the operations of Prest-O-Lite should not be within the city limits. But there was not a city ordinance prohibiting businesses with a “hazardous characteristic” from being located within the city. Despite misgivings, Winterrowed’s hands were tied by the lack of an ordinance. The proposed concrete and steel building met all of the codes of the city in terms of construction and fire safety. Reluctantly, he approved the building plans. Prest-O-Lite agreed that after filling the gas canisters, they would be stored in a concrete vault, and they would limit the number of large tanks of calcium carbide.

?

As construction was proceeding on the new location, operations resumed in the previously damaged building. Due to heavy damage on the top two floors, the business filling operation and refurbishment of the tanks were on the first floor leading to very crowded conditions.

?

Suddenly, on December 20, 1907, history repeated itself. John Luckey was working on the gas generator while Elmer Jessup was polishing the brass cylinders on the buffing machine as part of the refurbishment process. Employees later indicated that unlike the first time, the explosion was simultaneous with seeing the flames. Very quickly the flames were waist deep and spreading toward the ceiling.

?

Unlike the fire in August, this fire had serious injuries. Jessup was located farthest from the door when the explosion occurred and was gravely burned. He later died from his injuries. Luckey escaped without a scratch.

?

The exploding tanks sounded as if there was a bombardment. Just before the arrival of the first firemen, a cylinder was blown from one of the windows across the street to Frank O’Brien’s restaurant. O’Brien had been cooking a batch of sauerkraut. The force of the explosion blew the lid off the sauerkraut ruining the batch.

?

Despite the efforts of the Indianapolis Fire Department, the building was destroyed by the two-alarm fire.

?

The repercussions of the two explosions resulted in the passing of an ordinance in April 1908 prohibiting the manufacture?or storage of gas within the city limits, effectively banning Prest-O-Lite from conducting operations at the existing facilities. The ordinance further required that the building be at least fifty feet from any public highway and sixty feet from the line of any abutting property.?

?

Prest-O-Lite had been anticipating this action and had purchased property outside the city limits at River Road and White River which met all the parameters established by the city council. Construction of the new facility had begun but was not yet completed. If the ordinance was strictly enforced, this would have shut down the Indianapolis operations. The owners negotiated with city officials to allow the operations, including the charging of gas cylinders, to continue until the new plant could open.

Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA

--
Jack Finney
Avon IN USA

?


--
Bob Storck
KC MO USA


Re: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!

 

A third explosion and fire occurred in the new South Street building on June 6, 1908. That one caused only minor damage to Prest-O-Lite but heavily damaged a fire station and hospital and broke windows in hundreds of homes and buildings. It was this incident that forced the gas refilling operation to move to what would later become Speedway, Indiana.?
? ?There was also a very unfortunate accident during the construction of a building for the Prest-O-Starter division of Prest-O-Lite. That happened in late 1911 and took the lives of ten men while injuring 25 more.?
? ?A chapter of my book, "Historic Indianapolis Fires & Disasters," covers details of all four incidents. It was published in February by the History Press and is available at bookstores, Amazon, and eBay.

Jack Finney
Avon, IN

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 07:01:33 PM EDT, Gene Ingram <geno1966@...> wrote:



--
Subject: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!
?
?

While Indianapolis Motor Speedway founders Jim Allison and Carl Fisher were successful businessmen, their lives were changed when Percy “Fred” Avery walked into Fisher’s automobile dealership in 1904 and showed him the contraption that would become the first reliable source of power for automobile headlights. They formed the Concentrated Acetylene Company to produce cylinders filled with highly explosive acetylene gas. Thinking the company’s name didn’t have much pizzaz, it was changed to Prest-O-Lite reflecting the ease and quickness of lighting the headlights.

?

By 1909, the complexity of their product had grown from a simple acetylene canister to feed a lamp to the “Prest-O-Liter” which automatically regulated the pressure and was able to feed two, three, and even five lamps. Not only could up to five lamps be lit, but by turning a knob, the driver could change its brightness.

?

The company began in a shed on the northside of Indianapolis. Having outgrown the shed, it was relocated to a three-story building on the southeast side of Indianapolis. It was in a mixed usage neighborhood which provided a labor source, most of whom could walk to work. It was also close to the stockyards providing quick access to the railroad depot from which filled canisters could be shipped nationwide.

?

The ground floor was used for the filling and storage of the acetylene canisters. In the filling area, they had a dozen large, leak-proof tanks containing calcium carbide. In the filling process, the calcium carbide was combined with water to make acetylene gas. This gas was put into the Prest-O-Lite canister. Until the time for transport to the train station by horse-drawn dray, the canisters were stored on the first floor close to the filling area. The second floor was used for the assembly area where the canisters were refurbished when they were returned for refilling. The third floor was the company’s offices where three clerks, the head of sales, and the plant manager had their offices.

?

On a sultry August 1907 day, between 200 and 300 canisters were waiting for shipment. Nearby, John Luckey was filling canisters. Suddenly he saw a fire break out. His first thought was to turn off the electricity to the filling machine. In his rush to reach the switch, he fell over a can of gas. Even though his hand was cut and his knee was sprained, he turned off the machine before rushing outdoors.

?

Suddenly, the tanks inside the building became heated to the point where they started exploding. The employees on the first floor were able to escape the flames and the exploding canisters. It was more challenging for those employees on the second and third floors. Those on the second floor escaped through a window using a rope. The third-floor employees, including three women dressed in floor-length dresses, escaped through a window and down a fire escape.

?

It was fortunate all the employees escaped quickly. For the first half-hour, exploding tanks became jagged pieces of steel hurtling through the air. Other tanks were like missiles being propelled from the building. One two-to-three-pound tank flew about 150 feet and impaled a railroad car. Another part of a tank flew across East Street and hit the side of Frank O’Brien’s restaurant.

?

Rushing to the scene, fire chief Charles E. Coots could see from a distance the neighborhood where the fire was raging and instinctively knew it was the Prest-O-Lite plant. He had been concerned by the location of the plant given the explosive nature of the gas. With the barrage of exploding cylinders, his initial focus was to keep his men from risking their lives. The firemen prevented catastrophic damage to the building and nearby structures by providing a stream of water to the retaining tanks and kept them from exploding. If water had gotten into the tanks, when combined with the calcium carbonate, the resulting explosion would have caused significant damage to the surrounding area and possibly a significant loss of life.

?

Following the fire, Charles Coots joined forces with building inspector Thomas Winterrowd to urge the city council to adopt an ordinance prohibiting the filling of canisters inside the city limits. This action, if taken, would have caused Prest-O-Lite to cease operations in Indianapolis until a new building was located and the operations resumed.? Prest-O-Lite announced that they would build a new location on South Street, near St. Vincent’s hospital.? Given the location of the proposed new factory, public sentiment was that the operations of Prest-O-Lite should not be within the city limits. But there was not a city ordinance prohibiting businesses with a “hazardous characteristic” from being located within the city. Despite misgivings, Winterrowed’s hands were tied by the lack of an ordinance. The proposed concrete and steel building met all of the codes of the city in terms of construction and fire safety. Reluctantly, he approved the building plans. Prest-O-Lite agreed that after filling the gas canisters, they would be stored in a concrete vault, and they would limit the number of large tanks of calcium carbide.

?

As construction was proceeding on the new location, operations resumed in the previously damaged building. Due to heavy damage on the top two floors, the business filling operation and refurbishment of the tanks were on the first floor leading to very crowded conditions.

?

Suddenly, on December 20, 1907, history repeated itself. John Luckey was working on the gas generator while Elmer Jessup was polishing the brass cylinders on the buffing machine as part of the refurbishment process. Employees later indicated that unlike the first time, the explosion was simultaneous with seeing the flames. Very quickly the flames were waist deep and spreading toward the ceiling.

?

Unlike the fire in August, this fire had serious injuries. Jessup was located farthest from the door when the explosion occurred and was gravely burned. He later died from his injuries. Luckey escaped without a scratch.

?

The exploding tanks sounded as if there was a bombardment. Just before the arrival of the first firemen, a cylinder was blown from one of the windows across the street to Frank O’Brien’s restaurant. O’Brien had been cooking a batch of sauerkraut. The force of the explosion blew the lid off the sauerkraut ruining the batch.

?

Despite the efforts of the Indianapolis Fire Department, the building was destroyed by the two-alarm fire.

?

The repercussions of the two explosions resulted in the passing of an ordinance in April 1908 prohibiting the manufacture?or storage of gas within the city limits, effectively banning Prest-O-Lite from conducting operations at the existing facilities. The ordinance further required that the building be at least fifty feet from any public highway and sixty feet from the line of any abutting property.?

?

Prest-O-Lite had been anticipating this action and had purchased property outside the city limits at River Road and White River which met all the parameters established by the city council. Construction of the new facility had begun but was not yet completed. If the ordinance was strictly enforced, this would have shut down the Indianapolis operations. The owners negotiated with city officials to allow the operations, including the charging of gas cylinders, to continue until the new plant could open.

Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA

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Jack Finney
Avon IN USA


Re: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!

 

Thank you Gene for filling in a lot of gaps in my knowledge. Did any of this involve the history of the Speedway at the time ... was that facility used in any way?

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Cheers, Bob Storck in KCMO

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While Indianapolis Motor Speedway founders Jim Allison and Carl Fisher were successful businessmen, their lives were changed when Percy “Fred” Avery walked into Fisher’s automobile dealership in 1904 and showed him the contraption that would become the first reliable source of power for automobile headlights. They formed the Concentrated Acetylene Company to produce cylinders filled with highly explosive acetylene gas. Thinking the company’s name didn’t have much pizzaz, it was changed to Prest-O-Lite reflecting the ease and quickness of lighting the headlights.

?

By 1909, the complexity of their product had grown from a simple acetylene canister to feed a lamp to the “Prest-O-Liter” which automatically regulated the pressure and was able to feed two, three, and even five lamps. Not only could up to five lamps be lit, but by turning a knob, the driver could change its brightness.

?

The company began in a shed on the northside of Indianapolis. Having outgrown the shed, it was relocated to a three-story building on the southeast side of Indianapolis. It was in a mixed usage neighborhood which provided a labor source, most of whom could walk to work. It was also close to the stockyards providing quick access to the railroad depot from which filled canisters could be shipped nationwide.

?

The ground floor was used for the filling and storage of the acetylene canisters. In the filling area, they had a dozen large, leak-proof tanks containing calcium carbide. In the filling process, the calcium carbide was combined with water to make acetylene gas. This gas was put into the Prest-O-Lite canister. Until the time for transport to the train station by horse-drawn dray, the canisters were stored on the first floor close to the filling area. The second floor was used for the assembly area where the canisters were refurbished when they were returned for refilling. The third floor was the company’s offices where three clerks, the head of sales, and the plant manager had their offices.

?

On a sultry August 1907 day, between 200 and 300 canisters were waiting for shipment. Nearby, John Luckey was filling canisters. Suddenly he saw a fire break out. His first thought was to turn off the electricity to the filling machine. In his rush to reach the switch, he fell over a can of gas. Even though his hand was cut and his knee was sprained, he turned off the machine before rushing outdoors.

?

Suddenly, the tanks inside the building became heated to the point where they started exploding. The employees on the first floor were able to escape the flames and the exploding canisters. It was more challenging for those employees on the second and third floors. Those on the second floor escaped through a window using a rope. The third-floor employees, including three women dressed in floor-length dresses, escaped through a window and down a fire escape.

?

It was fortunate all the employees escaped quickly. For the first half-hour, exploding tanks became jagged pieces of steel hurtling through the air. Other tanks were like missiles being propelled from the building. One two-to-three-pound tank flew about 150 feet and impaled a railroad car. Another part of a tank flew across East Street and hit the side of Frank O’Brien’s restaurant.

?

Rushing to the scene, fire chief Charles E. Coots could see from a distance the neighborhood where the fire was raging and instinctively knew it was the Prest-O-Lite plant. He had been concerned by the location of the plant given the explosive nature of the gas. With the barrage of exploding cylinders, his initial focus was to keep his men from risking their lives. The firemen prevented catastrophic damage to the building and nearby structures by providing a stream of water to the retaining tanks and kept them from exploding. If water had gotten into the tanks, when combined with the calcium carbonate, the resulting explosion would have caused significant damage to the surrounding area and possibly a significant loss of life.

?

Following the fire, Charles Coots joined forces with building inspector Thomas Winterrowd to urge the city council to adopt an ordinance prohibiting the filling of canisters inside the city limits. This action, if taken, would have caused Prest-O-Lite to cease operations in Indianapolis until a new building was located and the operations resumed.? Prest-O-Lite announced that they would build a new location on South Street, near St. Vincent’s hospital.? Given the location of the proposed new factory, public sentiment was that the operations of Prest-O-Lite should not be within the city limits. But there was not a city ordinance prohibiting businesses with a “hazardous characteristic” from being located within the city. Despite misgivings, Winterrowed’s hands were tied by the lack of an ordinance. The proposed concrete and steel building met all of the codes of the city in terms of construction and fire safety. Reluctantly, he approved the building plans. Prest-O-Lite agreed that after filling the gas canisters, they would be stored in a concrete vault, and they would limit the number of large tanks of calcium carbide.

?

As construction was proceeding on the new location, operations resumed in the previously damaged building. Due to heavy damage on the top two floors, the business filling operation and refurbishment of the tanks were on the first floor leading to very crowded conditions.

?

Suddenly, on December 20, 1907, history repeated itself. John Luckey was working on the gas generator while Elmer Jessup was polishing the brass cylinders on the buffing machine as part of the refurbishment process. Employees later indicated that unlike the first time, the explosion was simultaneous with seeing the flames. Very quickly the flames were waist deep and spreading toward the ceiling.

?

Unlike the fire in August, this fire had serious injuries. Jessup was located farthest from the door when the explosion occurred and was gravely burned. He later died from his injuries. Luckey escaped without a scratch.

?

The exploding tanks sounded as if there was a bombardment. Just before the arrival of the first firemen, a cylinder was blown from one of the windows across the street to Frank O’Brien’s restaurant. O’Brien had been cooking a batch of sauerkraut. The force of the explosion blew the lid off the sauerkraut ruining the batch.

?

Despite the efforts of the Indianapolis Fire Department, the building was destroyed by the two-alarm fire.

?

The repercussions of the two explosions resulted in the passing of an ordinance in April 1908 prohibiting the manufacture?or storage of gas within the city limits, effectively banning Prest-O-Lite from conducting operations at the existing facilities. The ordinance further required that the building be at least fifty feet from any public highway and sixty feet from the line of any abutting property.?

?

Prest-O-Lite had been anticipating this action and had purchased property outside the city limits at River Road and White River which met all the parameters established by the city council. Construction of the new facility had begun but was not yet completed. If the ordinance was strictly enforced, this would have shut down the Indianapolis operations. The owners negotiated with city officials to allow the operations, including the charging of gas cylinders, to continue until the new plant could open.

Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA
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Bob Storck
KC MO USA


You Ruined My Sauerkraut!

 


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Subject: You Ruined My Sauerkraut!
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While Indianapolis Motor Speedway founders Jim Allison and Carl Fisher were successful businessmen, their lives were changed when Percy “Fred” Avery walked into Fisher’s automobile dealership in 1904 and showed him the contraption that would become the first reliable source of power for automobile headlights. They formed the Concentrated Acetylene Company to produce cylinders filled with highly explosive acetylene gas. Thinking the company’s name didn’t have much pizzaz, it was changed to Prest-O-Lite reflecting the ease and quickness of lighting the headlights.

?

By 1909, the complexity of their product had grown from a simple acetylene canister to feed a lamp to the “Prest-O-Liter” which automatically regulated the pressure and was able to feed two, three, and even five lamps. Not only could up to five lamps be lit, but by turning a knob, the driver could change its brightness.

?

The company began in a shed on the northside of Indianapolis. Having outgrown the shed, it was relocated to a three-story building on the southeast side of Indianapolis. It was in a mixed usage neighborhood which provided a labor source, most of whom could walk to work. It was also close to the stockyards providing quick access to the railroad depot from which filled canisters could be shipped nationwide.

?

The ground floor was used for the filling and storage of the acetylene canisters. In the filling area, they had a dozen large, leak-proof tanks containing calcium carbide. In the filling process, the calcium carbide was combined with water to make acetylene gas. This gas was put into the Prest-O-Lite canister. Until the time for transport to the train station by horse-drawn dray, the canisters were stored on the first floor close to the filling area. The second floor was used for the assembly area where the canisters were refurbished when they were returned for refilling. The third floor was the company’s offices where three clerks, the head of sales, and the plant manager had their offices.

?

On a sultry August 1907 day, between 200 and 300 canisters were waiting for shipment. Nearby, John Luckey was filling canisters. Suddenly he saw a fire break out. His first thought was to turn off the electricity to the filling machine. In his rush to reach the switch, he fell over a can of gas. Even though his hand was cut and his knee was sprained, he turned off the machine before rushing outdoors.

?

Suddenly, the tanks inside the building became heated to the point where they started exploding. The employees on the first floor were able to escape the flames and the exploding canisters. It was more challenging for those employees on the second and third floors. Those on the second floor escaped through a window using a rope. The third-floor employees, including three women dressed in floor-length dresses, escaped through a window and down a fire escape.

?

It was fortunate all the employees escaped quickly. For the first half-hour, exploding tanks became jagged pieces of steel hurtling through the air. Other tanks were like missiles being propelled from the building. One two-to-three-pound tank flew about 150 feet and impaled a railroad car. Another part of a tank flew across East Street and hit the side of Frank O’Brien’s restaurant.

?

Rushing to the scene, fire chief Charles E. Coots could see from a distance the neighborhood where the fire was raging and instinctively knew it was the Prest-O-Lite plant. He had been concerned by the location of the plant given the explosive nature of the gas. With the barrage of exploding cylinders, his initial focus was to keep his men from risking their lives. The firemen prevented catastrophic damage to the building and nearby structures by providing a stream of water to the retaining tanks and kept them from exploding. If water had gotten into the tanks, when combined with the calcium carbonate, the resulting explosion would have caused significant damage to the surrounding area and possibly a significant loss of life.

?

Following the fire, Charles Coots joined forces with building inspector Thomas Winterrowd to urge the city council to adopt an ordinance prohibiting the filling of canisters inside the city limits. This action, if taken, would have caused Prest-O-Lite to cease operations in Indianapolis until a new building was located and the operations resumed.? Prest-O-Lite announced that they would build a new location on South Street, near St. Vincent’s hospital.? Given the location of the proposed new factory, public sentiment was that the operations of Prest-O-Lite should not be within the city limits. But there was not a city ordinance prohibiting businesses with a “hazardous characteristic” from being located within the city. Despite misgivings, Winterrowed’s hands were tied by the lack of an ordinance. The proposed concrete and steel building met all of the codes of the city in terms of construction and fire safety. Reluctantly, he approved the building plans. Prest-O-Lite agreed that after filling the gas canisters, they would be stored in a concrete vault, and they would limit the number of large tanks of calcium carbide.

?

As construction was proceeding on the new location, operations resumed in the previously damaged building. Due to heavy damage on the top two floors, the business filling operation and refurbishment of the tanks were on the first floor leading to very crowded conditions.

?

Suddenly, on December 20, 1907, history repeated itself. John Luckey was working on the gas generator while Elmer Jessup was polishing the brass cylinders on the buffing machine as part of the refurbishment process. Employees later indicated that unlike the first time, the explosion was simultaneous with seeing the flames. Very quickly the flames were waist deep and spreading toward the ceiling.

?

Unlike the fire in August, this fire had serious injuries. Jessup was located farthest from the door when the explosion occurred and was gravely burned. He later died from his injuries. Luckey escaped without a scratch.

?

The exploding tanks sounded as if there was a bombardment. Just before the arrival of the first firemen, a cylinder was blown from one of the windows across the street to Frank O’Brien’s restaurant. O’Brien had been cooking a batch of sauerkraut. The force of the explosion blew the lid off the sauerkraut ruining the batch.

?

Despite the efforts of the Indianapolis Fire Department, the building was destroyed by the two-alarm fire.

?

The repercussions of the two explosions resulted in the passing of an ordinance in April 1908 prohibiting the manufacture?or storage of gas within the city limits, effectively banning Prest-O-Lite from conducting operations at the existing facilities. The ordinance further required that the building be at least fifty feet from any public highway and sixty feet from the line of any abutting property.?

?

Prest-O-Lite had been anticipating this action and had purchased property outside the city limits at River Road and White River which met all the parameters established by the city council. Construction of the new facility had begun but was not yet completed. If the ordinance was strictly enforced, this would have shut down the Indianapolis operations. The owners negotiated with city officials to allow the operations, including the charging of gas cylinders, to continue until the new plant could open.

Gene Ingram
List Owner
New Castle IN USA


Re: Open wheel racing today in England

 

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Yes, the FOS would probably be the main event.? Jim will have his Shadows there, this year.? I'll pass on your contact information. Thank you!
Lee Stohr
Port Angeles, WA

On 4/13/2024 12:43 PM, Edward Dean Butler via groups.io wrote:

The Christie should be accepted. If you have problems re. the Christie, I can almost certainly sort it out for you.

The Christie really should be in the Festival of Speed as number one priority. It is possible I can get Goodwood to pay to bring it over — maybe. Goodwood is not going to pay to bring the car to just the Members Meeting (not the money spinner of the FoS). One problem is the Members Meeting is three months prior to the FoS. But is might be possible to get the sponsorship.

E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK?

On Apr 13, 2024, at 8:29 PM, Lee Stohr <leestohr@...> wrote:

Amazing cars!? If you are there, look up Jim Bartel, the Shadow CanAm team owner.
If Goodwood was to approve the entry, Jim's 1909 Christie reproduction could be in that race by 2026.? That would be so cool to see.
Lee Stohr
Port Angeles, WA


On 4/13/2024 11:52 AM, Edward Dean Butler via wrote:
Every car in this race is over 100 years old!

E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK


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Lee Stohr
Port Angeles WA USA


Re: Open wheel racing today in England

 

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The Christie should be accepted. If you have problems re. the Christie, I can almost certainly sort it out for you.

The Christie really should be in the Festival of Speed as number one priority. It is possible I can get Goodwood to pay to bring it over — maybe. Goodwood is not going to pay to bring the car to just the Members Meeting (not the money spinner of the FoS). One problem is the Members Meeting is three months prior to the FoS. But is might be possible to get the sponsorship.

E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK?

On Apr 13, 2024, at 8:29 PM, Lee Stohr <leestohr@...> wrote:

Amazing cars!? If you are there, look up Jim Bartel, the Shadow CanAm team owner.
If Goodwood was to approve the entry, Jim's 1909 Christie reproduction could be in that race by 2026.? That would be so cool to see.
Lee Stohr
Port Angeles, WA


On 4/13/2024 11:52 AM, Edward Dean Butler via wrote:
Every car in this race is over 100 years old!

E Dean Butler
Broughton Green, UK


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Lee Stohr
Port Angeles WA USA


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E. Dean Butler
Broughton Green UK