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Is the age of sharing DNA as a way to explore deep ancestry going away?


 

With data sharing sites like GDEMatch and the shenanigans with 23andMe being sold to companies for their use and now YDNA Warehouse going away, I wonder what the future of being able to share DNA data in a non-commercial way for ancestral research is going to be, esp on the Y side vs autosomal? ?The trend seems to be constriction for usually financial reasons, so for the sties left will they eventually succumb, going the way of the Y chromosome itself? ?Will they need to move to some kind of subscription model to survive vs being sold? Just an afternoon thought


 

Hello, just a lurker first time contributer.
I wouldn't be opposed to looking at? seeing what options there would be to setting up a new grassroots project in light of all the closures and companies going out of business.

I fear that would cost money, which as a young guy whos starting a family would be hard lol.
But more unlikely things have happened. With the right collaboration of people with some skills, who knows


On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 14:39 Lunceford via <wtwya=[email protected]> wrote:
With data sharing sites like GDEMatch and the shenanigans with 23andMe being sold to companies for their use and now YDNA Warehouse going away, I wonder what the future of being able to share DNA data in a non-commercial way for ancestral research is going to be, esp on the Y side vs autosomal?? The trend seems to be constriction for usually financial reasons, so for the sties left will they eventually succumb, going the way of the Y chromosome itself?? Will they need to move to some kind of subscription model to survive vs being sold? Just an afternoon thought


 

In one sense this is a passing of the torch from one 'generation' of citizen scientist investigators to a future paradigm.? ? Over the last 15 years privacy restrictions have become significantly stricter. The ways of using 3rd party solutions and contributed resources from the citizen scientist old guard are being deprecated.??From a data perspective we wait for the transition over to economical and less noisy long read based solutions.

Creating a secured community sponsored cloud based operation requires a somewhat different technical skillset than what has been utilized in the past.? With the majority of the data now residing in government or commercial, you could say healthcare, systems potential citizen scientist initiatives will most likely need to be run under an academic umbrella in order to mine those secured resources which are much larger and complete than from firms such as 23andMe and FTDNA.??

Here in the US auxiliary funding for the NIH All of Us program(s) would facilitate the ongoing and potential expansion of research associated with that initiative. In the current environment the community needs to be more aggressive on making sure that funding is made available to support continued work and development in the public domain genetic genealogy environment.

-Wayne

On Saturday, April 12, 2025 at 04:04:52 PM EDT, Sytze Brouwer via groups.io <brouwer.sytze@...> wrote:


Hello, just a lurker first time contributer.
I wouldn't be opposed to looking at? seeing what options there would be to setting up a new grassroots project in light of all the closures and companies going out of business.

I fear that would cost money, which as a young guy whos starting a family would be hard lol.
But more unlikely things have happened. With the right collaboration of people with some skills, who knows


On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 14:39 Lunceford via <wtwya=[email protected]> wrote:
With data sharing sites like GDEMatch and the shenanigans with 23andMe being sold to companies for their use and now YDNA Warehouse going away, I wonder what the future of being able to share DNA data in a non-commercial way for ancestral research is going to be, esp on the Y side vs autosomal?? The trend seems to be constriction for usually financial reasons, so for the sties left will they eventually succumb, going the way of the Y chromosome itself?? Will they need to move to some kind of subscription model to survive vs being sold? Just an afternoon thought


 

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On Apr 12, 2025, at 12:39?PM, Lunceford via groups.io <wtwya@...> wrote:

With data sharing sites like GDEMatch and the shenanigans with 23andMe being sold to companies for their use and now YDNA Warehouse going away, I wonder what the future of being able to share DNA data in a non-commercial way for ancestral research is going to be, esp on the Y side vs autosomal? ?The trend seems to be constriction for usually financial reasons, so for the sties left will they eventually succumb, going the way of the Y chromosome itself? ?Will they need to move to some kind of subscription model to survive vs being sold? Just an afternoon thought

I have a high-level sketch of what I¡¯ll be working on after shutting the warehouse published on my blog. ?The entire cost model needs to be democratized and a federated design will help.


James Kane


 

James,

I'm guessing it could be as simple as hosting and publicly sharing our own respective data on a personal cloud storage service such as IDrive, Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive?
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The only cooperative effort then is providing guidance for setting that up and possibly curating a list of share-link URLs.
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On the other hand, as you mentioned in your blog, the concept of each participating individual running a distributed computing app for IBD segment identification, AIMs, haplotree building, etc. is very intriguing.? I mean, who doesn't like earning brownie points for completing work units?
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Just try to avoid inefficient blockchain encryption, please.? Be kind to the environment and the power-grid!
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301479724002597
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Best regards,

Vince T.


 


Just try to avoid inefficient blockchain encryption, please. Be kind to the environment and the power-grid!
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No blockchains are planned. They are absolutely the wrong technology for almost everything tech bros try to use them for.

James


 

My only concern is after my passing there wouldn't be any way that my information could continually be used.


On Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 4:53?AM James Kane via <jkane=[email protected]> wrote:

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> Just try to avoid inefficient blockchain encryption, please.? Be kind to the environment and the power-grid!
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No blockchains are planned.? They are absolutely the wrong technology for almost everything tech bros try to use them for.

James





 
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On Apr 18, 2025, at 5:44?AM, Wayne Williams via groups.io <waynewilliams37@...> wrote:

My only concern is after my passing there wouldn't be any way that my information could continually be used.

Unfortunately, this is not a technological problem. ?It¡¯s succession planning. ?As the data owner it will be up for you to figure out future stewardship. ?
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Personally, my sequencing data is donated into the Personal Genome Project. ?The research institutions will have funding long after I shed my mortal coil. ?This is not the right answer for everyone though as the data is totally in the open.
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Perhaps the answer is a dedicated 501(c)(3) funded by the community for the purpose. ?As soon as money becomes involved so do board salaries, so it¡¯s not just going to require $3 per year per 30x WGS result to keep it afloat.
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James


 

Hi folks,

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Back here after a few days away and thought I'd chime in.

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Monday marks the 17th anniversary of my first Y-DNA order at Family Tree DNA. I'm still one of the younger ones here, but that still makes me feel old! There have been a lot of changes in genetic genealogy over that time, and they generally fall into two camps: benefits that we get from better testing, and problems that we get from increased legislation and evolution in ethical/political norms.

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Our main issue here is that one feeds the other. Increased testing allows us to more precisely pinpoint individuals using their genomes, and this has been exploited by everyone from adoption searches to law-enforcement agencies. We are also learning more about the genome and its function, which raises concerns that our genomes could be used for both legitimate issues such as health concerns, but also opens up issues related to medical insurance. Once we start to get into issues where people's freedoms, insurance and money are at risk, then people start to look for concerns about how these systems and their (mis)management affect them. My stance here has always been that, when you take a genetic test, you should treat your genome as public - perhaps now, perhaps at some nebulous point in the distant future when we're long dead - and you should be comfortable with that eventuality.

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Then there are the unknown unknowns. The world is still working out how we treat genetic data in an ethical and regulatory sense. The data breach at 23andMe didn't end the world, but it significantly contributed to the end of the company, yet the ramifications for people whose data was stolen have (as far as I know) been little worse than a data breach at any other company. Will this still be the case if long-read WGS tests become the norm and we gain a much better understanding of the whole genome? What safeguards do we need to put in place now so that our data cannot be used in ways we don't want it to be? There has been a massive shift in how admins have had to ethically treat individuals and their data over the last 10 years, with the EU's GDPR bill being a major catalyst. A lot of this was begun out of fear of litigation, but with hindsight a lot of it has also been the right thing to do.

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Then there is the ability of technology to keep up with an adapt to the new tests. When our group were comparing Y-67 matches among a few hundred testers, that was easy to do on a spreadsheet. When we were comparing BigY-500 results among one or two thousand testers, that was possible to do by someone like me with a bit of computing knowledge and a laptop. When the number of testers reached into the multiple thousands, a laptop couldn't cope with the analysis, and we had to rely on sites like the Y-DNA Warehouse for our community analysis. Now James is saying that that model is no longer viable, and we have to rely on high-performance computing at FTDNA HQ until the community can come up with the next generation of computing needed to analyse the data as we need.

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The success or otherwise of our ability to keep using DNA to explore deep ancestry therefore depends on several factors, including:

  • The ability of testing companies to improve services, attract customers and make a profit.
  • The resilience of databases against bad actors and malpractice, and the public perception of the associated risks.
  • The balance of availability of useful data to citizen scientists like ourselves, versus the legislative, litigation-driven and public fear of data misuse.
  • The ability of technology to keep up with the increased data volumes of a larger number of bigger tests, in terms of storage, processing and cost.

In 2025, we have so far seen more losses in our abilities to conduct genetic genealogy than we have seen gains, but I think "mass extinction" might be too strong a phrase. I think we are far from the death knell of deep genetic ancestry testing, and what we are seeing at the moment is an evolution on a pathway towards a more steady state of testing as the technologies involved continue to mature. Looking forward, we have major opportunities with long-read testing in a few years' time, and I am hopeful that we will see dramatic improvements in what we can do with genetic genealogy as a result when this comes.

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Best wishes,

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Iain.