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Iain's further age speculation

Chris Noble All Messages By This Member #11 After Jim's results came in Iain shared two things. One was to Jim and myself (I hope you don't mind my sharing this Jim): "Your relationship with the Graves and Sexton group is around 1000 years ago (give or take a few centuries). The pattern of development since S6881 (about 1400 years ago) is suggestive of a post-Roman but pre-Norman origin. It's too early to say you descend from the "Anglo-Saxon" invaders, but that would be a direction in which we would want to explore." And then to me today: "The range of ages is now starting to be constrained enough to almost rule out certain possibilities. It's now starting to look less likely that your family has a Roman origin or a Norman origin. The range of ages most likely brackets somewhere between the post-Roman ("Anglo-Saxon") migration and that Danelaw." I don't know if you guys get excited about this stuff, but I do. It really helps that we might be able to speculate when our common ancestor made it to England and what group he came with. It's nice to get some concrete idea of how long we've been in England (though some of us have subsequently left). Hopefully, this will give you something to ponder as we move into the new year. Wishing you all a happy New Year and I hope I'll have more news soon. Chris ?
Roy Graves All Messages By This Member #12 开云体育 Yeah Chris I get excited about it. I've no idea if there is any truth to it but it's been written the first Graves arrived in England in 1066 with William. His name was supposedly Hugh de Greave or Grieves. Could be totally erroneous but fun to think about anyway. Some of those old legends/ stories clearly become false but sometimes they have a little basis in fact. I'm sure genetics will sort all this out eventually.? Anyway I appreciate you guys and the truths eventually uncovered by science.? BTW- I've no idea what 90% of your studies mean but I'm getting there. Sincerely Roy S. Graves Ps- my family is now located in Alabama but we've only been here for about 150 years. We may be related to a Capt Thomas Graves who arrived in Jamestown in 1608. That may not be the gospel truth but it is a goal of both Cynthia Sexton and myself to find out. ?? On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:02 PM, avalea3@... [R1b-S6881] <R1b-S6881@...> wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text ? After Jim's results came in Iain shared two things. One was to Jim and myself (I hope you don't mind my sharing this Jim): "Your relationship with the Graves and Sexton group is around 1000 years ago (give or take a few centuries). The pattern of development since S6881 (about 1400 years ago) is suggestive of a post-Roman but pre-Norman origin. It's too early to say you descend from the "Anglo-Saxon" invaders, but that would be a direction in which we would want to explore." And then to me today: "The range of ages is now starting to be constrained enough to almost rule out certain possibilities. It's now starting to look less likely that your family has a Roman origin or a Norman origin. The range of ages most likely brackets somewhere between the post-Roman ("Anglo-Saxon") migration and that Danelaw." I don't know if you guys get excited about this stuff, but I do. It really helps that we might be able to speculate when our common ancestor made it to England and what group he came with. It's nice to get some concrete idea of how long we've been in England (though some of us have subsequently left). Hopefully, this will give you something to ponder as we move into the new year. Wishing you all a happy New Year and I hope I'll have more news soon. Chris ?
Cynthia Sexton All Messages By This Member #14 Very interesting. Yes indeed I find all this fascinating. ?Question Chris- when Iain refers to "your family" is he speaking directly to your specific line or the family of S6881?
Chris Noble All Messages By This Member #15 开云体育 He's referring to our whole group but below S6881 as he feels that SNP didn't form in England. But there are other SNPs under S6881 that we all share but can't be dated yet as they form an unbroken block at this time. Hopefully someone will come along and help break up the block.? Chris toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Dec 30, 2016, at 7:16 PM, prosperity200220815@... [R1b-S6881] <R1b-S6881@...> wrote: ? Very interesting. Yes indeed I find all this fascinating. ?Question Chris- when Iain refers to "your family" is he speaking directly to your specific line or the family of S6881?
Cynthia Sexton All Messages By This Member #16 Thank you, that helps.?
James Liptrap All Messages By This Member #17 开云体育 Roy, What do you know about the “Capt. Thomas Graves who arrived in Jamestown in 1608”?? Is he the Thomas Graves who died in 1662 in New Hampshire? Unusual/Unlikely migration. Your Thomas Graves of Georgia seems to be born 1770, died 1805 in Lincoln County?? Any details?? There seem to be several Thomas Graveses in VA-NC-GA in that time period. Jim ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: R1b-S6881@... [mailto:R1b-S6881@...] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 6:14 PM To: R1b-S6881@... Cc: Cynthia Sexton Subject: Re: [R1b-S6881] Iain's further age speculation ? ? Yeah Chris I get excited about it. I've no idea if there is any truth to it but it's been written the first Graves arrived in England in 1066 with William. His name was supposedly Hugh de Greave or Grieves. Could be totally erroneous but fun to think about anyway. ? Some of those old legends/ stories clearly become false but sometimes they have a little basis in fact. I'm sure genetics will sort all this out eventually.? Anyway I appreciate you guys and the truths eventually uncovered by science.? ? BTW- I've no idea what 90% of your studies mean but I'm getting there. ? Sincerely Roy S. Graves Ps- my family is now located in Alabama but we've only been here for about 150 years. We may be related to a Capt Thomas Graves who arrived in Jamestown in 1608. That may not be the gospel truth but it is a goal of both Cynthia Sexton and myself to find out. ?? On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:02 PM, avalea3@... [R1b-S6881] <R1b-S6881@...> wrote: ? After Jim's results came in Iain shared two things. One was to Jim and myself (I hope you don't mind my sharing this Jim): ? "Your relationship with the Graves and Sexton group is around 1000 years ago (give or take a few centuries). The pattern of development since S6881 (about 1400 years ago) is suggestive of a post-Roman but pre-Norman origin. It's too early to say you descend from the "Anglo-Saxon" invaders, but that would be a direction in which we would want to explore." And then to me today: ? "The range of ages is now starting to be constrained enough to almost rule out certain possibilities. It's now starting to look less likely that your family has a Roman origin or a Norman origin. The range of ages most likely brackets somewhere between the post-Roman ("Anglo-Saxon") migration and that Danelaw." I don't know if you guys get excited about this stuff, but I do. It really helps that we might be able to speculate when our common ancestor made it to England and what group he came with. It's nice to get some concrete idea of how long we've been in England (though some of us have subsequently left). Hopefully, this will give you something to ponder as we move into the new year. Wishing you all a happy New Year and I hope I'll have more news soon. Chris ?
Roy Graves All Messages By This Member #18 开云体育 Jim It is amazing the number of Thomas Graves around at the time. Capt Thomas is well known was a purchaser of shares in the Va Company located in London. No one that I have read knows the cause of death or place of death. If you haven't read of his activities after he arrived here you need to go to Graves Family Assoc. and go to gen 169. It's has the Capts exploits here in America. But I'm sure you e read that although it's worth reading twice. He is NOT the same Thomas Graves of Conn. Cynthia Sexton and I have spent three years tracking who we call Lost Thomas. But we aren't done yet! Sincerely Roy S Graves On Jan 11, 2017, at 10:26 PM, 'Jim Liptrap' jim@... [R1b-S6881] <R1b-S6881@...> wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text ? Roy, What do you know about the “Capt. Thomas Graves who arrived in Jamestown in 1608”?? Is he the Thomas Graves who died in 1662 in New Hampshire? Unusual/Unlikely migration. Your Thomas Graves of Georgia seems to be born 1770, died 1805 in Lincoln County?? Any details?? There seem to be several Thomas Graveses in VA-NC-GA in that time period. Jim ? ? From: R1b-S6881@... [mailto:R1b-S6881@...] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 6:14 PM To: R1b-S6881@... Cc: Cynthia Sexton Subject: Re: [R1b-S6881] Iain's further age speculation ? ? Yeah Chris I get excited about it. I've no idea if there is any truth to it but it's been written the first Graves arrived in England in 1066 with William. His name was supposedly Hugh de Greave or Grieves. Could be totally erroneous but fun to think about anyway. ? Some of those old legends/ stories clearly become false but sometimes they have a little basis in fact. I'm sure genetics will sort all this out eventually.? Anyway I appreciate you guys and the truths eventually uncovered by science.? ? BTW- I've no idea what 90% of your studies mean but I'm getting there. ? Sincerely Roy S. Graves Ps- my family is now located in Alabama but we've only been here for about 150 years. We may be related to a Capt Thomas Graves who arrived in Jamestown in 1608. That may not be the gospel truth but it is a goal of both Cynthia Sexton and myself to find out. ?? On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:02 PM, avalea3@... [R1b-S6881] <R1b-S6881@...> wrote: ? After Jim's results came in Iain shared two things. One was to Jim and myself (I hope you don't mind my sharing this Jim): ? "Your relationship with the Graves and Sexton group is around 1000 years ago (give or take a few centuries). The pattern of development since S6881 (about 1400 years ago) is suggestive of a post-Roman but pre-Norman origin. It's too early to say you descend from the "Anglo-Saxon" invaders, but that would be a direction in which we would want to explore." And then to me today: ? "The range of ages is now starting to be constrained enough to almost rule out certain possibilities. It's now starting to look less likely that your family has a Roman origin or a Norman origin. The range of ages most likely brackets somewhere between the post-Roman ("Anglo-Saxon") migration and that Danelaw." I don't know if you guys get excited about this stuff, but I do. It really helps that we might be able to speculate when our common ancestor made it to England and what group he came with. It's nice to get some concrete idea of how long we've been in England (though some of us have subsequently left). Hopefully, this will give you something to ponder as we move into the new year. Wishing you all a happy New Year and I hope I'll have more news soon. Chris ?

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