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Many thanks Chris and Jim - I'll go ahead with uploading to FTDNA. I saw the possibility of the extra features like the chromosome browser which looks interesting, so will go for that. It will also get me there with an account, so that if (more likely when!) I go for a FTDNA Y test I will already be on there.
One reason that I'm not in a rush is that I already have Y information from the old ScotlandsDNA / BritainsDNA people and more recently LivingDNA. My main interest in the DNA side is really in deep ancestry. The Y information is of course the best there is at present (along with mtDNA), but since it is only an increasingly smaller part of my ancestry the further back you go, it only provides a tiny hint of overall ancestry. One reason for trying Ancestry DNA was the thought of a possible strategy - to make contact with people interested in the DNA side, and hope to find people who have Y information for some of my other ancestors! One issue with the Y line is that I know (at least am 99% certain) that it's broken - my 3x great Cook grandfather is the furthest back Cook(e) male, his mother was born a Cooke, and even her mother was born a Cooke (about 1775). So actually it would be interesting to see what male line my Y DNA really belongs to!
At present I have my tree complete to all 32 of my 3x great grandparents (born around 1800), and am just over half way with progress on the next generation back. Obviously I have a few lines going much further back, but my main interest is in trying to get as much completion as possible. I was not especially interested in finding living relatives - though the idea of trying to find others who have appropriate Y DNA means this will probably change!
It is only recently that I have investigated Ancestry. I started helping my father with research methods back around 1980, though he did most of the work up to the time he died over 10 years ago. In those days of course we spent a lot of time sitting in record offices! My father pushed the research in directions he was interested in, and so I had some gaps to fill in. I have found Ancestry most useful for the value-for-money access to (in particular) census and church records from the comfort of home. There are a few trees (and more particularly, hints through the DNA side) that are helping to fill in details, but yes, there is an awful lot of stuff on there that can't be trusted! It has been good, I'm sure, in getting more people interested in family history, but few have the dedication (or research knowledge) to find all the evidence to produce satisfactory family connections. I suspect the DNA side is similar - people will take a test out of interest, but not have any real interest in the deep ancestry that can be obtained from Y and mtDNA information.
It would be great to have deep ancestry information for as many ancestors as possible. I find it fascinating that a huge amount of my ancestry back into the 1700s is firmly rooted in the area I grew up in (south Lancashire, mostly centred on the Wigan area), though I also have about an eighth Staffordshire, about an eighth north Welsh, and a sixteenth Yorkshire as well. I have nearly finished putting together records and maps on the origins of my 2x great grandparents, and the 3x great are next - it will take a while to put together the information for all 32.
Jim, when I saw your surname I immediately thought "Liptrot" which is a name more familiar to me from Lancashire - interesting to see more on your great web pages.
I will keep an eye on the FTDNA sales, and when I feel I have $99 burning a hole in my pocket at the appropriate moment I will take the plunge!
Many thanks, I will keep following this group (and U106) as the discussion can be interesting.
John Cooke
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John, ? The advantage of a yDNA test, as opposed to the autosomal test, is that it is specific to your direct-male line. ? With the autosomal, you get lots and lots of matches, and you have to try to figure out which line you share.? Frequently, I will have a 3rd-cousin match, which is a common ancestor in the 4th generation.? I know my ancestors in all directions for 5 generations, most 6 or more.? And the “match” may or may not know anything back 4 generations, and when they do, there still may not be any common line that we can find.? I have corresponded with some very nice people, and had to conclude that we appear to be related in some way, but we have no way to tell which line it is. ? With the yDNA test, there is no question what line you are looking for.? And you can estimate what generation has the common ancestor (+/- one) so it is easier to identify how you are (probably) related. ? Both are useful.? One is more specific, if that is what you want.? Either way, the advantage is putting you in touch with others who may have done more research, and can fill in some of the blanks in your records; or with people whom you can help.? Remember, of course, that not everyone you contact will be a careful researcher. There is a lot of “Family Fiction” out there, Ancestry is full of it, posted by “ancestor collectors” (as opposed to “genealogists”) who are not interested in accuracy, as long as it expands their collection of “ancestors.”
But uploading your autosomal to FTDNA will increase the pool of people you can contact, about half of whom will actually respond to you. ? And FamilyTreeDNA has a yDNA sale through the 26th, starting at $99 (37 markers) ? Jim Liptrap ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of John Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 1:51 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [R1b-S6881] Potential new member? ? Hi all! Still no real plans to go with a FTDNA Y test - but I have an Ancestry autosomal test. I did it because it seemed it might be useful in extending contacts to help get a few pointers to help me extend my tree, which it seems to be - I'm pushing it on all ancestry lines. Are there any advantages (or disadvantages) to uploading the test data to FTDNA?
John
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Hi John, ? No real disadvantage that I can think of. Your advantage is you are fishing in another pond by uploading your autosomal data to another company. You might find new matches but then again you might find the same ones that you already know. But it isn't expensive if you want to unlock the extra features ($19) and it's free if you don't want those features. So I don't think you have much to lose and lots to potentially gain. On the other hand, most people don't have a tree online at FTDNA (some do) and you don't get the hints and such that you get at Ancestry. But you do have a chromosome browser at FTDNA to see if people are sharing the same bits of chromosomes and you can email people directly so sometimes you'll get a better response from people than going through Ancestry. At least that's how I feel about it.
Chris
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:51 AM John < john@...> wrote: Hi all! Still no real plans to go with a FTDNA Y test - but I have an Ancestry autosomal test. I did it because it seemed it might be useful in extending contacts to help get a few pointers to help me extend my tree, which it seems to be - I'm pushing it on all ancestry lines. Are there any advantages (or disadvantages) to uploading the test data to FTDNA?
John
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Hi all! Still no real plans to go with a FTDNA Y test - but I have an Ancestry autosomal test. I did it because it seemed it might be useful in extending contacts to help get a few pointers to help me extend my tree, which it seems to be - I'm pushing it on all ancestry lines. Are there any advantages (or disadvantages) to uploading the test data to FTDNA?
John
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Hi Cynthia! Thanks for the welcome.
No, I'm pretty sure I am S6881 - I have both S6881+ and S6886+ in the myDNA.global test (what was ScotlandsDNA), and S6881 in the data file from LivingDNA. If you like I can explain a little more about what I am interested in in due course.
John
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Hey John,
Welcome! I was thrilled when I saw your post on the U106 Group page. What caught my attention is that it sounds as if you are not certain that you are S6881+. It sounded likely with what you shared. If I have understood that correctly then we are a good group to ask about how to move forward when ready.
Cynthia
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I am now here, but expect I will mostly lurk.
John
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Okay, I reached out to him to see if he is interested. Thanks.
Chris
Hi All,
Did anyone notice the message left today on the U106 group by a J Cook?? Chris do you know about him, might he already be someone you’ve chatted with? If not, how can we invite him to join us?
I’m in the middle of a family crisis, I’ll surface asap.
Hope everyone is doing well.
Cynthia
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Hi All,
Did anyone notice the message left today on the U106 group by a J Cook? Chris do you know about him, might he already be someone you’ve chatted with? If not, how can we invite him to join us?
I’m in the middle of a family crisis, I’ll surface asap.
Hope everyone is doing well.
Cynthia
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I'm not sure if everyone here is also on the U106 discussion board so I'll repost something here just in case anyone is interested. FTDNA is having a short sale that will expire on 2/25. It's an extra $25 off the regular prices for BigY tests. The sale prices are below. This also includes those who wish to upgrade from a BigY 500 to BigY 700 test.
BIG Y700 for a new testee with no YDNA tests - $449 minus $25 = $424.00
BIG Y500 to BIG Y700 upgrade - $209 minus $25 = $184.00
Y111 to BIG Y700 upgrade - $239 minus $25 = $214.00
Y67 to BIG Y700 upgrade - $279 minus $25 = $254.00
Y37 to BIG Y700 upgrade - $339 minus $25 = $314.00
Y25 to BIG Y700 upgrade - $389 minus $25 = $364
Y12 to BIG Y700 upgrade - $399 minus $25 = $374
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You're welcome and I know you are busy. When I saw it I knew Jeff had been asking about that very subject, so thought others might be interested and not seen it. :D
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You’re welcome. Indeed we are thankful for Iain and for you.?
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Thanks, Mary. I think all of our group are members of the U106 project but not all might be following the chatter on the U106 site. Thanks for taking the time to bring this up. I meant to mention it in case anyone was interested but I've just been busy and sidetracked today. We are very blessed to have Iain share his process with those who are interested in the aging work. Thanks again.
Chris
I don't? know how many of us belong to the R1b-U106 but Iain has been discussing his latest thoughts and work on aging the new Y700 stuff.??/g/R1b-U106/message/1096?I copied this link but don't know if you can see it without being a member.? You can try.? Jeff and Cynthia? I thought you would be interested to know Iain is getting into looking at this subject.
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Wow, thanks for sharing. I enjoyed reading his update, he sure knows his stuff!? I look forward to his results.?
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I don't? know how many of us belong to the R1b-U106 but Iain has been discussing his latest thoughts and work on aging the new Y700 stuff.?? /g/R1b-U106/message/1096?I copied this link but don't know if you can see it without being a member.? You can try.? Jeff and Cynthia? I thought you would be interested to know Iain is getting into looking at this subject.
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You are welcome, Roy. We are blessed by all who test and share their results so we can find our way back past ancestors and our more recent ones if we are lucky.? Chris
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On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Roy Graves < roysgraves@...> wrote:
Thanks Chris for all this you do. You may never of heard my name but I’m in the s6881 tree and I know it’ll lead us some where in the future( and the past) Roy Graves On Jan 6, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Chris Noble <avalea3@...> wrote:
?I have posted the most recent version of the S6881 tree that I keep based on BigY testing. Since FTDNA limits us to seeing only matches who we have less than 30 SNP mismatches with we lose sight of a lot of the group. For this reason, I put together an Excel spreadsheet type tree with as many of the results as I know. It is quite large with over 70 testers. I'm sharing it in the files section for anyone else who wants to use it.
Chris
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Thanks Chris for all this you do. You may never of heard my name but I’m in the s6881 tree and I know it’ll lead us some where in the future( and the past)
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On Jan 6, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Chris Noble <avalea3@...> wrote:
?I have posted the most recent version of the S6881 tree that I keep based on BigY testing. Since FTDNA limits us to seeing only matches who we have less than 30 SNP mismatches with we lose sight of a lot of the group. For this reason, I put together an Excel spreadsheet type tree with as many of the results as I know. It is quite large with over 70 testers. I'm sharing it in the files section for anyone else who wants to use it.
Chris
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Chris,
In looking at what you have uploaded for us, I honestly feel such gratitude. I’m going to read everything first then I’ll form my questions.?
thank you!
Cynthia
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I've been told that the link I sent out didn't work. Here's an updated one for anyone who needs it. Thanks.
Chris
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:39 AM Chris Noble via Groups.Io <avalea3= [email protected]> wrote: For anyone looking for the file section on our new site and having problems, you can find it here. Thanks.
/g/R1b-S6881/files
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John
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