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NEAT tool..
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGangue, I just discovered this tool a couple of days ago... It is a de-soldering iron which is a 40watt soldering iron with build in solder sucker. Brilliant! I just wish I had thought of it! I'd retire and just play with my QRP stuff all day.... Oh wait! I am retired and play with my QRP stuff all day. Well, if I did invent it, I would at least have some money in the bank.... Anyway, I ordered a few for me and made sure my order was processed before I alerted you guys. I haven't got mine yet but the reviews looked real promising so I bought some! Rex? W1REX |
Re: QSO Today BUILDATHON KIT (#9) SST+ on Mar 25 2023
Daniel KK4MRN
Presentation at the Buildathon on March 25, 2023: Build a Simple Station and GOTA (Get On The Air!) Speaker: Rex Harper W1REX
? ? OK, YOU have your amateur license, so what's next? In this build-a-thon, we will build a very simple 40 meter transceiver that anyone with the desire and a minimal amount of equipment should be able to complete in a single 2 hour session on Saturday March 25th, at 10:00 PDT (1800 UTC). This is a very simple design that should get you on their air on 40 meter CW. A Morse code key and antenna wire is included in the kit. The builder just needs to supply a battery and some headphones. Assembly should be completed during the 2 hour session with enough time afterwards to try the complete working station on the air. We will coordinate this operating with the hope that we will all make contacts with a followup session on Sunday morning. Of course band conditions, propagation and lots of other factors will attempt to thwart our little on air event but the prospect of a hundred of the same rigs with the same output to the same antenna all operating on the same 7110 Novice frequency should increase the odds that somebody will be contacting somebody else during the event. Click on this link to order your Simple Station Kit:? |
Errors can conspire together
On 2023-02-02 8:04 p.m., Daniel KK4MRN via groups.io wrote:
So, on the calculator, enter: 25 ¡À ¡Â 10 = 10xsubscripts or superscripts here. The standard way to indicate exponentiation when all you can do is type in a straight line is this: a^b means a raised to the b power. So you want 10^x. So, is my dB math correct? It's fine. Will this work? Yes. But when you flip several switches on your attenuator do not expect extreme accuracy. If you flip the 20 dB, 10 dB, and 2 dB switches you're going to get something close to 32 dB of attenuation but not as close as you might think. The 2 dB attenuator will be pretty close to 2 dB, and the other two will be pretty close to 20 dB and 10 dB, but if your luck is as bad as mine the errors will all be in the same direction and the total error in dB could be as much as 3 times what it is for any one part. Realistically some errors will be on the high side and some on the low side so it probably won't be that bad, but it might be. What you can have reasonable confidence in is that when you've already called for 20 dB and 10 dB attenuation and then flip the 2 dB switch, you're going to have pretty close to 2 dB more attenuation than you had before you flipped it. But the total attenuation might be further from 32 dB than you might think. However it's not going to blow up your tinySA; the error won't be that bad. David VE7EZM and AF7BZ |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDaniel, OK lets take your problems 1x1......
I can hear the TTT on my receiver on 7.110 when I key down, but that is probably the crystal oscillator.? I got 2 crystals: 7.030 and 7.110. I took out the final, nothing changed.Congrats again... looks like you have narrowed your problem down to the final or output filter... OK. Nothing where? Did you check the output of the oscillator circuit? You should be able to see a small rf signal on the output (collector) of Q1....and you should check that it makes it past capacitor C2 (220pf). If it doesn't make it to the final side of C4 then the final transistor Q2 will have no signal to amplify.
The LED was missing or I lost it.? So, I found a red LED.? ?The LED never lights up.? I think I got A and K correct.? K is the flat side.? Or the LED consumes too much power.? Use a jumper to bring 12v power down to the top of the 1K resistor R10. Check it directly. If it still doesn't light, you need to check the orientation ( A&K ) and the soldering job.
Or it's my bad soldering skills.?How about a close up pic of the back side for possible debugging....
Rex? W1REX |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Daniel-- Are you using a x10 probe?? Also, I'd try adjusting the power pot down and see if it cleans up.?? -HRS H. Russell Smith, N0QLT???
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On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 06:24:50 PM CST, Daniel KK4MRN via groups.io <sqldan2000@...> wrote:
Hello Russel, Not sure why this topic morphed into something else.? I am still trying to fix my radio. There is improvement. I am getting a signal on my oscilloscope now while the rf output goes into a 50ohm dummy load.? Not sure if the signal looks ok considering what I see at the top.? Two peaks. If I remove the final, so signal on the scope. And I can still hear it on a receiver on 7.110 MHz. Nice to see the red light glowing when I key. I still need to build my peak detector, but the weekend is almost over...?? 73 Daniel KK4MRN |
QSO Today BUILDATHON KIT (#9) SST+ on Mar 25 2023
Daniel KK4MRN
Hello all,
Rex updated the QRPme web site the other day to include to the following link: QSO Today BUILDATHON KIT (#9) SST+ on Mar 25 2023 $45 QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo?is the first and only on-line amateur radio convention, since August 2020.? ?
Event tickets and registration cost $15.00 per person for the Expo weekend and 30 day on demand period
March 25-26, 2023
From the QRPme web page: The Sea Sprite Transceiver + is a new re-working of the Sea Sprite currently in the QRPme tuna can line. The original Sea Sprite was reconfigured into a larger sized tuna can, spreading out the parts a little for an even easier building experience. Scroll down and see the "Additional Included Items" for the buildathon.? ? Also, see a previous message from Rex where he said this kit would be a good way for a new ham to get on 40 meters. Features included in the NEW Sea Sprite transceiver+ are: Bigger pcb has more space between components. Bigger pads Wider traces Larger clearances around pads Higher probability of completion without soldering errors Latest low insertion loss low pass filter Reduced parts count for faster building time Added antenna coupler for instant hookup to 1/2 wave End Fed Zepp antenna Additional included items for the QSO Today Expo Buildathon are a straight key kit and enough wire to construct a 1/2 wave End Fed Zepp antenna To GOTA (GetOnTheAir) with everyone else, the builder will need to supply a 12V battery and a set of Walkman style headphones. Of course you will have to have a minimal about of construction tools to build the kit. We are encouraging an online operating event on Saturday night and again early Sunday morning. A whole Buildathon*s (well almost whole) worth of transceivers all operating on the same 40m frequency (7110) at the same time and with the same antenna should provide a practical real time test as to the performance of this QRPp rig. A second QSO Expo session is scheduled on Sunday in which we will discuss the results of the event, provide info as to how to improve your HF operations and also hold a Q&A session as time allows. Docs for the ORIGINAL Sea Sprite are shown below. The new Sea Sprite+ boards are on order and new documentation will be posted as soon as they are developed.... Original message from Rex: /g/QRpmeKits/message/328 Note, the original Sea Sprite transceiver Kit is found here in case you want to build it instead for $30 |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Daniel KK4MRN
Hello Russel,
Not sure why this topic morphed into something else.? I am still trying to fix my radio. There is improvement. I am getting a signal on my oscilloscope now while the rf output goes into a 50ohm dummy load.? Not sure if the signal looks ok considering what I see at the top.? Two peaks. If I remove the final, so signal on the scope. And I can still hear it on a receiver on 7.110 MHz. Nice to see the red light glowing when I key. I still need to build my peak detector, but the weekend is almost over...?? 73 Daniel KK4MRN |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Rex,
Thanks for the info. I ordered a few 2n2222a with T018 cases and some heat sinks for them. When I have a chance I'll try them out.
I have a few alternative analog SWR/Power meters built and will hook up my double needle meters and see if I can get them 'calibrated' against my other power reading sources. I do love the tweekiness of a good analog meter. It feels like your adding some art the the tuning process.? I always put in a transistor socket for the final since I ordered a tube of sockets a couple of years ago. I agree, for us tinkerers its the best idea.
I and another ham are giving a presentation on the (TR)uSDX to our club. I seem to have interested a few of the members to get that box and the QRP fun seems to be spreading in the group. I regularly bring my latest kits (many from you) to meetings. The other club I belong to is having a show and tell this week, I'll have a handful of rigs, test equipment .. there too. Some time this summer if you would like to do a zoom presentation or talk on QRP things let me know.? I love to spread the special pleasure of minimalism and portability.? ? ? ---John AC9UV
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Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 2/12/2023 2:42 AM, John Putnum,
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Rex, Interesting. Your TT2-EZ has a 2N3866 final transistor where the current design of the Two Tinned Tuna -EZ build uses a 2n2222a for the final. Is that a change? would a heat sinked 2n3866 give more output power? would that be an possible modification? Thanks, ---John AC9UV Gangue, From the very beginning of QRPme kitting, I have included a SIP socket in my kits for not only using as a crystal socket but also as a transistor socket for the final transistor. Easily replacing a final or even better...experimenting with other transistors as finals has been a hallmark of my efforts to enable others to have FUN with their kits. So the EZB does come with a pair of PN2222 transistors for the oscillator and final. It also comes with a SIP socket and very clearly in the builders guide shows how to use it as sockets for both the crystal and final transistor. I like the 2N3866 as I have plenty due to getting them for a VERY good price from the GQRP Club! I pop them in my builds and some kits primarily because they are TO5 cans and finding heat sinks for TO5 cans is much easier than finding sinks for TO18s (2N2222A) or TO92s (PN2222). Consulting the datasheets: transistor? pkg?? Max collector current watts dissipation 2N2219A?? TO39??? 600mA/800pk ?? ??? ??? ??? 3W 2N2222A? TO18???? 600mA/800pk ?? ?? ??? ??? 1.8W PN2222A? TO92??? 600mA? ????? ??? ?? ?? ??? ? ?? 625mW 2N3866??? TO39??? 400mA??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 1W I'd rather 'push' a whoosier final WITH a heat sink than a
marginally better transistor without one... AND trying to find
obsolete 2N2219A s and 2N2222s in cans is a challenge along with
coming up with the coin to buy them! Jameco Electronics has
2N2222A transistors at $1.29ea which is a little cheaper than they
used to be but no heat sinks for them. But their performance in
the EZB is not that much better. I yanked the 2N3866 in my EZB
that I tested last night and plugged in a PN2222. Power
readings were pretty much the same without touching the trimmer
pot. I suspect that if you wanted to run higher supply voltages
you would start to bump into the collector current and heat
dissipation limits and start to melt epoxy. I really wanted to be in Orlando this weekend for the Hamcation! When my dad was alive and less than a hour away, I would take in the show nearly every year. The low rent building out back was my GOTO source for things like NOS heat sinks etc. Another GOTO place is Skycraft Surplus. Apparently they have moved into a bigger space since I last visited them....and bought every TO5 heat sink in their bin. I had 150+ in my suitcase on the way home. Long since used up but more easily findable than a TO92 or TO18 heat sink. They sell online but not as much FUN as being there in person and getting the full touchie feelie experience. They make the old RS stores look like an end cap in a truck stop convenience store! Rex? W1REX |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
I hear what Rex is saying and kind of agree. I always say 'in region of' or 'about' / 'around' when I'm quoting measurements as most of my test gear is not factory grade or calibrated.
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I've known my NM0S QRPometer long enough to get a feel for it's accuracy and it's amazingly good.
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It's definitely difficult to measure QRPp transmitters accurately, the power level is so small and the act of measuring can affect the result. My oscilloscope peak voltage readings confirmed the result of my QRPometer - at 12.6v (minus protection diode), I'm getting around 400mW output on 40m. This result also ties up nicely with Rex's result.
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So the ball park figure is 400mW.
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My TTT EZB was fitted with a 2N3866 but I used SIP sockets, so I found a 2N2222A TO-18 and swapped it in - I saw no difference in power output at all. I'm guessing that the TO-5 2N3866 would be a little more robust but I think if you're managing to pop a final at 400mW, something is massively wrong!
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Unless for personal amusement, squeezing every bit of last power out of a circuit is futile. I never understood the guys bragging about their RockMites having 'x' much power because they've changed 'Y' etc. The difference in signal to the guy at the other end would be undetectable. If your QRPp signal is getting there, it doesn't matter if it's 300mW or 500mW, there's no difference. You'd have to increase the power to around 2W to get one S point difference in recieved signal strength.
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To increase power, you'd have to improve the matching in the PA circuit and improve the low pass filter. The TTTEZB schematic shows the details of how to do this. My TTT EZB modified as suggested on schematic gives me around 850mW (uncalibrated but trusted meter, YMMV!).
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Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
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Interesting. Your TT2-EZ has a 2N3866 final transistor where the current design of the Two Tinned Tuna -EZ build uses a 2n2222a for the final. Is that a change? would a heat sinked 2n3866 give more output power? would that be an possible modification? Thanks, ---John AC9UV On 02/11/2023 10:37 PM Rex Harper <tunacankits@...> wrote: |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Gangue,
I just hosed up my early TT2-EZ Build transmitter to my fairly accurate PM-1300a dummy load/power meter. Powered from my portable Jackery, the input voltage to the TT2 was 13.4 volts. The key down power was approx .18W. I typed approx .18 on purpose. My college physics professor taught me something very important in Physics 101. You can't read something from a meter and write it down or say it is fact unless you can prove it is fact. I'm looking at an un-calibrated analog meter with an unknown full scale accuracy and see that the needle is between 150mW and 200mW and slightly past the middle point between the two scale markings.? So the .18W is MY best GUESS as to the power output from the transmitter. I thought that the output was a little on the low side so I twiddled with the power pot over by the crystal. Holding the key down while twiddling, I raised the output power to about .48mW with minimum resistance on the pot. I had no heat sink on the 2N3866 final transistor so I didn't key down for too long.... I could have said my power readings were 180mW and 480mW but THAT would convey accuracy that I can't actually read on my meter. YOUR mileage may vary depending on kit parts, load variations and your technique of measurement. Rex? W1REX |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Daniel KK4MRN
I replaced the LED and the LED works now when I key.? ?I noticed the trimmer resistor was not soldered well, so i soldered it better.
C8 and L3 is ok to flow together when you see it on the schematic. When I hear it on my receiver, the tone sounds better. And I made double sure that the transistors are incorrectly inserted.? Unless, I blew a final. I have extras of those I got from mouser.?? And where would I stick an oscilloscope probe to read from the oscillator? I have an RF Probe kit I've been meaning to build.? And I was supposed to home brew a peak detector today but have not gotten to it.? I assumed my TTT would built like last time years ago and i would already be playing with it... I will keep going part by part... Not sure what to check for voltages. 73 Daniel KK4MRN |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Daniel--? Also, if your LED isn't working, you can probably check it with the diode check on your meter with no power applied. Should see something like 1.5V-2.0V drop. Since you are able to key the radio and you hear the oscillator, I'm guessing the keying circuit is working ok. If you do key down with power applied, measure the voltage at the top of the LED (junction of the resistor and the LED) to ground. If it is 0V or 12V, look at the resistor and the LED for issues. More in a bit-- dinner time. -HRS H. Russell Smith, N0QLT???
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On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 06:10:04 PM CST, Russell Smith via groups.io <n0qlt@...> wrote:
Daniel-- Overall, it looks like you did a terrific job!? I should show you some photos of the abominations I built when I first got started. Uggh. I shudder thinking about them now!? Yours is 100000000000% better!? In fact, in the VERY early days, all I had was a roll of what was probably acid-core radiator solder or something my dad gave me. I had it for years to remind me of those days. haha. It had to be 1/4 thick. More than likely, it's something VERY simple like a bad solder joint. Easy enough to happen to anyone--even those of us that have been doing this for 40+ years. The very first thing I would do is check and make sure all the components are correct and in the right place. Next would to be to look at your soldering. There are a few places where it looks like solder didn't flow as well as you might like-- C8, L3, for example.? You might want to make sure the parts are in and flat against the board, too. Do make sure the final transistor is in correctly. Next, I'd start looking at voltages. Check your parts and report back, OK? When I build stuff, I typically follow a policy of direction-- I always point the resistor (or other banded components) so they can be read right to left or up to down. I also put any parts like capacitors with the values facing me or facing to the right.? That helps me keep everything easy to see and troubleshoot.? You'll develop your own policies, but that's what I do to keep things neat and in line. -HRS H. Russell Smith, N0QLT???
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On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 04:57:24 PM CST, Daniel KK4MRN via groups.io <sqldan2000@...> wrote:
Hello, I was wondering if I can get some insight into why my Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild is not transmitting. I can hear the TTT on my receiver on 7.110 when I key down, but that is probably the crystal oscillator.? I got 2 crystals: 7.030 and 7.110. I took out the final, nothing changed. I hooked it up to an an oscilloscope, nothing.?? Well, I wanted to use my TTT EZB for an education - well, looks like I will be getting one figuring out what is going wrong and trying to fix it.? LOL The LED was missing or I lost it.? So, I found a red LED.? ?The LED never lights up.? I think I got A and K correct.? K is the flat side.? Or the LED consumes too much power.?? And one of the coils did not match what was mentioned in the documentation.? L2 in the docs: L2 = 10uH = brown black black (large tubby) There were 4 coils included in the kit.? I found the other 3.? I used what was left for L2. Or it's my bad soldering skills.?? 73 Daniel KK4MRN |
Re: My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Daniel-- Overall, it looks like you did a terrific job!? I should show you some photos of the abominations I built when I first got started. Uggh. I shudder thinking about them now!? Yours is 100000000000% better!? In fact, in the VERY early days, all I had was a roll of what was probably acid-core radiator solder or something my dad gave me. I had it for years to remind me of those days. haha. It had to be 1/4 thick. More than likely, it's something VERY simple like a bad solder joint. Easy enough to happen to anyone--even those of us that have been doing this for 40+ years. The very first thing I would do is check and make sure all the components are correct and in the right place. Next would to be to look at your soldering. There are a few places where it looks like solder didn't flow as well as you might like-- C8, L3, for example.? You might want to make sure the parts are in and flat against the board, too. Do make sure the final transistor is in correctly. Next, I'd start looking at voltages. Check your parts and report back, OK? When I build stuff, I typically follow a policy of direction-- I always point the resistor (or other banded components) so they can be read right to left or up to down. I also put any parts like capacitors with the values facing me or facing to the right.? That helps me keep everything easy to see and troubleshoot.? You'll develop your own policies, but that's what I do to keep things neat and in line. -HRS H. Russell Smith, N0QLT???
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On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 04:57:24 PM CST, Daniel KK4MRN via groups.io <sqldan2000@...> wrote:
Hello, I was wondering if I can get some insight into why my Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild is not transmitting. I can hear the TTT on my receiver on 7.110 when I key down, but that is probably the crystal oscillator.? I got 2 crystals: 7.030 and 7.110. I took out the final, nothing changed. I hooked it up to an an oscilloscope, nothing.?? Well, I wanted to use my TTT EZB for an education - well, looks like I will be getting one figuring out what is going wrong and trying to fix it.? LOL The LED was missing or I lost it.? So, I found a red LED.? ?The LED never lights up.? I think I got A and K correct.? K is the flat side.? Or the LED consumes too much power.?? And one of the coils did not match what was mentioned in the documentation.? L2 in the docs: L2 = 10uH = brown black black (large tubby) There were 4 coils included in the kit.? I found the other 3.? I used what was left for L2. Or it's my bad soldering skills.?? 73 Daniel KK4MRN |
My Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild - Transmit Issue
Daniel KK4MRN
Hello,
I was wondering if I can get some insight into why my Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild is not transmitting. I can hear the TTT on my receiver on 7.110 when I key down, but that is probably the crystal oscillator.? I got 2 crystals: 7.030 and 7.110. I took out the final, nothing changed. I hooked it up to an an oscilloscope, nothing.?? Well, I wanted to use my TTT EZB for an education - well, looks like I will be getting one figuring out what is going wrong and trying to fix it.? LOL The LED was missing or I lost it.? So, I found a red LED.? ?The LED never lights up.? I think I got A and K correct.? K is the flat side.? Or the LED consumes too much power.?? And one of the coils did not match what was mentioned in the documentation.? L2 in the docs: L2 = 10uH = brown black black (large tubby) There were 4 coils included in the kit.? I found the other 3.? I used what was left for L2. Or it's my bad soldering skills.?? 73 Daniel KK4MRN |
Two Tinned Tunas - 22pF cap
Daniel KK4MRN
I am missing a 22pF capacitor in my TTT EZB kit.
Can I use 2 count of 10pF ceramic capacitors instead?? These either came from Jameco or Radio Shack. I used my multimeter against a 1000pF capacitor which has a value of 1.031nF +/- a few .001nF I added on 10pF, I get 1.043nF I added another 10pF, i get 1.052nF. That last digit is not reliable because it bounces around each time I measure it. So, will these 2 x 10pF work? I have a 33pF ceramic 100V C0G/NP0 I got from digikey.? Or would this work? Or do I need to get the actual 22pF capacitor??? I am asking so i can go ahead and build the kit. Thanks, Daniel KK4MRN |
Re: Two Tinned Tunas EZBuild QRP Transmitter
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I would also be interested in knowing how this varies per band also, assuming that 40M is the default for all of them Davey - KU9L
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