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QSX radio + 630m :)


Tim
 

please please please have 630m as a standard band on this radio :)

The more new radios we get with 630m on them the more people will use that band.

thanks

Tim

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Hi Hans,
along the same lines, will the new transceiver be simply frequency limited by the BPFs you sell or will it actually cover a wider range?

I have HF kit, but I really want to build transceiver stuff that covers frequencies I DONT have, i.e LF bands and 4 metres.

I am still using my U3S separate Tx and Rx on 4metres for WSPR but want to run FT8.?

73 Ken G4APB


 

630m presents many issues for transmitters.? One is the ferrite needed to build
efficient transformers would work very poorly above 160M.

Generally a 630M radio is a band unique radio as the high power needed to attain
a reasonable EIRP from what tends to be seriously short compared to wavelength
antennas of very low efficiency (15M loaded and hatted vertical is under 1%).??

Allison


 

True, but very few people need *linear* transmitters (amplifiers) on
630m. I suspect most who are on that band aren't going to be doing a
lot of portable operating so an add-on amplifier shouldn't be too
burdensome. This makes the radio's job easy. It's simple and cheap
to build a 100W+ Class-E or Class-D amplifier to follow a radio. My
very inexpensive 100W 630m amp needs only 1 milliwatt of drive and
was built in an afternoon.

I would much rather see 2200m included myself. ;-)
But I'm not expecting nor asking for either band to be included as
the demand would almost certainly be too low to make it worth the
design effort. FWIW I built a simple 2200m amplifier that produces
200W with 1 mW drive.

Paul

On 08/19/2018 10:38 AM, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
630m presents many issues for transmitters.? One is the ferrite
needed to build
efficient transformers would work very poorly above 160M.

Generally a 630M radio is a band unique radio as the high power
needed to attain
a reasonable EIRP from what tends to be seriously short compared to
wavelength
antennas of very low efficiency (15M loaded and hatted vertical is
under 1%).??

Allison


 

If you just want LF Tx, then the U3S will already do that. I have mine feeding a 10w amp but I wanted an rx as well but that performs well at LF. My FT897 is extremely poor rx at 137Khz. Seems extremely noisy, whereas I have a marine rx that has good sensitivity but too drifty for WSPR. Antenna is a ¡®ground rod¡¯ type, so needs good rx filtering.
Ken g4apb?


 

I have a U3S which is extremely useful on LF. I would not want to be
without it! But a transceiver opens more doors. The major QSO mode
on LF is JT9. Other considerations aside there is just no way to
change messages quickly enough on a U3S.

I built up a transmit converter to use with my FT-2000 for JT9 and
CW QSOs. The 2000 is deaf as a post at LF so I use a Softrock Lite
II (modified) as the receiver.

The reality is if one wants TX and RX on LF/MF one must do some
scratch building or spend a lot of money on limited (and often
under-performing) commercial gear. It may be interesting to have a
go at building a dual band LF/MF transverter for use with my
upcoming QSX. :-) This would be best if the QSX is able to transmit
out of ham bands, thinking 10.472-10.479 for MF, then one could use
readily available and very stable 10 MHz oscillators. For LF it
would be 10.135.7 to 10.137.8 which of course is no problem as it is
in the 30 meter band.

73,
Paul N1BUG

On 08/19/2018 01:04 PM, KEN G4APB via Groups.Io wrote:
If you just want LF Tx, then the U3S will already do that. I have
mine feeding a 10w amp but I wanted an rx as well but that performs
well at LF. My FT897 is extremely poor rx at 137Khz. Seems extremely
noisy, whereas I have a marine rx that has good sensitivity but too
drifty for WSPR. Antenna is a ¡®ground rod¡¯ type, so needs good rx
filtering.
Ken g4apb


 

THer eare two things to consider...

Most of the LF and MF work is two antennas some form of loop for lower
noise and a monopole with ground radials for TX power.

A transceiver is not required and often less flexible.? So a separate
transmitter of some heft to get a useful EIRP and a good receiver.

The only question is what constitutes a good RX as most all the 630M is
in a window narrower than many SSB filters!.? I'd think CW bandwidth
is a must have.

Allison


 

There are pros and cons both ways. If a transceiver doesn't have a
separate receive antenna input then you have to do the antenna
switching between RX and TX. This is easy if the transceiver
provides an external control signal on TX, but can be challenging if
it doesn't.

With a separate receiver no switching is required but changing
frequency is not as easy and you may need overload protection on the
receiver to prevent damage from RF while transmitting. So far I
haven't destroyed any receiver front ends but the fact that measured
isolation between my TX antenna and RX antenna is only 21 dB worries me!

If you operate CW then yes a CW filter is extremely desirable.
However the most common QSO mode on LF and MF is JT9. The most
common beacon mode is WSPR. Under normal circumstances neither of
these benefits from a narrow filter as the decoder does not need it.
The exception would be if you have a very strong local station that
you have to receive around. Virtually all of my LF and MF reception,
including QSOs, has been done with 2500 Hz RX bandwidth but I don't
have any locals on the bands yet.

Paul

On 08/19/2018 03:03 PM, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
THer eare two things to consider...

Most of the LF and MF work is two antennas some form of loop for lower
noise and a monopole with ground radials for TX power.

A transceiver is not required and often less flexible.? So a separate
transmitter of some heft to get a useful EIRP and a good receiver.

The only question is what constitutes a good RX as most all the 630M is
in a window narrower than many SSB filters!.? I'd think CW bandwidth
is a must have.

Allison


Tim
 

Hi Paul,

And herein lies the problem as you've stated...

On 20/08/2018 4:21 AM, N1BUG wrote:
The reality is if one wants TX and RX on LF/MF one must do some
scratch building or spend a lot of money on limited (and often
under-performing) commercial gear.
This is why I requested that 630m be added.

I recently gave a presentation on 630m to my local ARC and while there was some keen interest, the prospect of building something from scratch deters most.

We have to realize, that those of us here, in this community, are a collection of builders and tinkers whereas a significant population of AR are nothing more than operators.

Some of those operators can be coaxed into building stuff if a kit was available. We've proven this in our own ARC by having buildathons for antenna's, foxhunt kit etc. supervised by those of us with experience & knowledge of having done it before. Some operators have become builders & tinkers as a result, others built their toy-for-the-day and went back to operating. But at least we helped increase the utilization of our bands by getting people involved.

If no one makes a kit, or clear cogent instruction to modify existing radios of any pedigree, the bands such as 630m & 2200m will remain under utilized with the always present risk that a government might want it back for something else.

Just look at what Han's marvelous kits have already done for AR, the sea voyages, the balloons and other experimentation, need I saw more ?

regards

Tim

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Tim
 

Hi Paul,

Agree with all your sentiments here, but linear amplification is nice to have and we do have some SSB activity on 630m here in VK. Not much, but some, and generally by agreement of the wider 630m VK community on specific days and times.

+1 for 2200m, maybe as an expansion kit of some sort.

regards

Tim

On 20/08/2018 2:12 AM, N1BUG wrote:
True, but very few people need *linear* transmitters (amplifiers) on
630m.
[snip]

I would much rather see 2200m included myself. ;-)
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Hi Tim,

I completely agree with everything you said.

We are in dire need of affordable, well performing kits for both
bands! Some are not trying these bands due to the build from scratch
and/or high cost aspects. Hans can speak for himself but I suspect
for most kit makers these bands are a bit hard to justify compared
to HF which is far more in demand.

I consider myself very fortunate that the U3S supports these bands.
Mine is happy cranking out WSPR on 2200m as I type. :-)

73,
Paul N1BUG

On 08/19/2018 06:14 PM, Tim wrote:
If no one makes a kit, or clear cogent instruction to modify existing
radios of any pedigree, the bands such as 630m & 2200m will remain under
utilized with the always present risk that a government might want it
back for something else.


 

Looking at the MiniKits 630M transverter coupled to an 80M QCX.?? WSPR to start, then CW capable??

KU8L


 

The QSX amp would need a lot of changes for 630M as is the bottom is
around 1.6mhz.

A different amp for MW and lower is actually easier and better done separately.
I'd think people would want a lot more than 10W though even on 630M.

Allison


Tim
 

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Hi Allison,

Yep, the PA would need a change, maybe a special one for 630 & 2200 since the ferrite would have to change to type 77 or such.

10w out is still a good place to start, I've managed to get out to 4,000km or so on WSPR with just 10w :)

And 10w is an ideal value to drive something QRO anyway :)

regards

Tim

On 21/08/2018 5:29 AM, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
The QSX amp would need a lot of changes for 630M as is the bottom is
around 1.6mhz.

A different amp for MW and lower is actually easier and better done separately.
I'd think people would want a lot more than 10W though even on 630M.

Allison

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Hi Allison,
The QSX amp would need a lot of changes for 630M as is the bottom is
around 1.6mhz.

How do you know that? It is part of the question I put to Hans, but i have not seem it written anywhere.

73 Ken G4APB
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That would be because Alison consulted in the design process.?


 

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Hello to all.?

Does anybody have any information as to how to build an antenna for these bands.?

I¡¯m assuming mag loops.?

Also I¡¯m looking very much forward to the new rig kit.?

Congratulations to all that have an input to its design, testing and building.?

Keep up the tremendous work.?

It really is going to be a very exciting few months/years for us all.?

Kindest. James 2E0MUA?

On 21 Aug 2018, at 09:05, John VA7JBE via Groups.Io <va7jbe@...> wrote:

That would be because Alison consulted in the design process.?


David Bowman
 

Hi Tim

I think Allison is correct in that 136kHz to 4m is not easy if you want to keep the gain reasonably flat.

This one works from about 70kHz to 2MHz

http://njdtechnologies.net/david-g0mrf-describes-his-summer-broadband-amplifier-project/

73

David


Tim
 

Hi James,

A lot of info can be had here...



and google is your friend :)

regards

Tim

On 21/08/2018 7:09 PM, James Anderson wrote:
Hello to all.

Does anybody have any information as to how to build an antenna for these bands.?

I¡¯m assuming mag loops.?
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Tim
 

Hi David,

Nice amp !

Yes, 630 - 4m in one amp would be a hard ask.

I'm under no illusion that it would be challenging to add 630m or 2200m.

It would just be nice to see an MF/LF version of the QSX.

It wouldn't be too hard to cover 2200m to 160m in one radio ;)

regards

Tim

On 21/08/2018 7:10 PM, David Bowman via Groups.Io wrote:

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