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QRM from QLG3.


 

As the CW-R function does not currently work with the latest firmware version, I have to select LSB for my preferred CW tuning style i.e received tone goes up as I tune HF.
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With this combination I have noticed there is a very strange form of QRM on the bands 24-50MHz, using the digi bandwidth the QRM sounds like someone keying a transmitter for a short period, say 0.25 seconds to 1 second, signal strength S8 ish,? it is not tunable i.e. the same wherever I tune.

I have tracked the source of this QRM to the QLG3 module, remove this and the QRM disappears totally.?

If I select USB the QRM is very much reduced, but still there, CW bandwidth seems to remove the signal, but I don't think its a good idea to have such a strong signal in pass band even if it can be filtered out.?

I wonder if anyone else has experienced this, or maybe check if you have a QMX+ with the QLG3 fitted to see if you have the same?

73 Steve G4EDG


 

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Hello Steve
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Yes I concur with your findings, once the GPS module is physically removed the QRM which sounds like CW !!!! disappears. However there is still a very high pitched whine audible.
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Also the CW type noise is still there with the GPS module plugged in, however it is at a much lower level.
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I was hoping maybe the very loud static noise on all bands 50 to 180 kHz from the band edges would disappear too, alas no it doesn't. On 10m it peaks at 28.108 MHz on my unit.
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Cheers
Ian G4GIR
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----- Original Message -----
From: Steve G4EDG via groups.io <g4edg@...>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Sent: 08/07/2024 11:56:58
Subject: [QRPLabs] QRM from QLG3.

As the CW-R function does not currently work with the latest firmware version, I have to select LSB for my preferred CW tuning style i.e received tone goes up as I tune HF.
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With this combination I have noticed there is a very strange form of QRM on the bands 24-50MHz, using the digi bandwidth the QRM sounds like someone keying a transmitter for a short period, say 0.25 seconds to 1 second, signal strength S8 ish,? it is not tunable i.e. the same wherever I tune.

I have tracked the source of this QRM to the QLG3 module, remove this and the QRM disappears totally.?

If I select USB the QRM is very much reduced, but still there, CW bandwidth seems to remove the signal, but I don't think its a good idea to have such a strong signal in pass band even if it can be filtered out.?

I wonder if anyone else has experienced this, or maybe check if you have a QMX+ with the QLG3 fitted to see if you have the same?

73 Steve G4EDG


 

What you are hearing is interference from the short data burst to your radio. I have been plagued by this from the QLG1 through 2 to QLG3. I have reduced it, but never eliminated, over a period of time with various additions of total rf screening (copper tape around except antenna), additional 100pf caps across all outputs, ferrite blocks both end of cable, screened cables, not just plain wiring, separate 5v supplies for QLGs, not fed from QDX etc supply, improving electrical contact between radio anodised panels also. It all helps.
73 Ken g4apb?


 

Hi Steve,

I am experiencing the same thing. It starts on 20 m and gets progressively ?louder until
so loud on 50 MHz, that band is unusable. I suspected the gps module as another reply
suggested ?but have not yet removed it to confirm. ?I hope someone has a fix for this.

Dave


 

Ian, Ken and Dave

Thanks for your comments confirming I'm not imagining hearing things!

Ive looked at the data line on the QLG3 and I see a short burst of data every second, but cant imagine that this is the source of what I'm hearing i.e. long periods of what appears to be a pure sine wave around 700Hz, I can also hear a similar pattern but much higher in frequency, 5000Hz maybe, in the background.

The fact that these signals cant be tuned by the VFO suggests to me that the signal is not being processed in the same way as receiving a signal off air, it seems like it is getting into a stage much later.

In Hans' recent YouTube video, he says that the receiver is not strictly a direct conversion as in the QCX, but has an IF of 12kHz implemented in the audio chain, achieved in the magic of the firmware. I wonder if the interfering signal is getting into the system at this stage.

I wonder if the QLG3 is generating signals internally in the range 0-48kHz which are getting into the audio system at the 12kHz IF frequency? I dont have a spectrum analyser, but would be interesting to see.

Ken, I wonder if you have only experienced this on the QMX/QMX+ ? you mentioned that you have experienced this? problem with the QLG1 and QLG2, both of which preceded the QMX.

Perhaps this is just a minor annoyance at the moment, but can see it becoming a significant problem as the firmware is developed.

Maybe the best solution is a toggle switch on the back panel to remove power from the QLG3 until its needed!?

73 Steve G4EDG


 

Hi Steve,
I don’t have a QMX, but I started with the QLG1 and my U3S tx, and the interference was to my HF rig, the FT897. Lots of ferrite experiments but the unscreened setup I never cured. Then I built the QLG2, same interference so I built it into a screened box, extensive experiments with connector filtering etc gave some improvement, I finally fitted an on/off switch so when on WSPR and all have stabilised, I could turn it off to stop the interference. This one even interfered at 2m. Then I built the QDX and used the QLG3 with the optional screen, used a short as poss connecting leads and ferrite blocks, but I still get some tramlines in FT8 and WSPR MODES if it is left on. I also built a standalone GPS enabled QRPLabs clock (QLG2 I think), but it blotted out my DAB radio when placed close by until I fitted ferrite clamps every couple of inches along the 5v wall mount PSU I use.
If I listen on 2m FM, at the same time as I use any of the kit above, I hears a background pulsing noise every second, so I assume this is the data burst. It is only at 9600 baud so I don’t know why it causes so much grief. If I run my FT896 Cat control at the same baud rate to my PC, I get no interference from that at all. It’s a mystery.
73 Ken g4apb?


 

I installed a miniature toggle switch in the rear panel replacing the power
jumper on the board. Maybe a better solution will come in the future. For
now I can turn off the noise when not using the GPS.

Dave
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Hi all
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HNY!
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I was wondering if there had been any further investigation into this one or whether it's a matter of either accepting the noise or fitting a toggle switch (the latter is something I'm likely to make a mess of)???
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I appreciate it is just noise from the processor or GPS but it is omni-present for me on 18MHz+?
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If I have to live with it I'll live with it!
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Best wishes?
Greg?
2E1GW
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