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John,
Your explanation of QDX L14 makes sense. It doesn't seem to be a serious problem for semiconductor failures tho. More of an issue for spectrum 'dirtiness'. The diode would take care of both concerns.?


I wonder why it could not be taken care of in the QDX firmware, as it has been with the QMX. There doesn't seem to be the memory and processing constraints of the QCX, even though it doesn't have the capacity of the QMX processor. ?
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73, Dan? NM3A


 

Hi Dan

RF envelope shaping requires amplitude modulation capability for the PA. QDX does not? have this, QMX does.?

73 Hans G0UPL



On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 5:12?PM Daniel Walter via <nm3a=[email protected]> wrote:

John,
Your explanation of QDX L14 makes sense. It doesn't seem to be a serious problem for semiconductor failures tho. More of an issue for spectrum 'dirtiness'. The diode would take care of both concerns.?


I wonder why it could not be taken care of in the QDX firmware, as it has been with the QMX. There doesn't seem to be the memory and processing constraints of the QCX, even though it doesn't have the capacity of the QMX processor. ?
--
73, Dan? NM3A


 

Dan,

The QMX has a PMOSFET modulator that can gracefully ramp down the supply voltage to the power amplifier stage, under digital/MCU control. That circuitry is essential for the QMX wave shaping function and to it's future SSB functionality. It doesn't exist on QDX, and so a firmware solution for QDX is not possible.

Is the inductive spike damaging transistors on QDX??

Hans and I have had a lively debate on that subject, with he of the opinion that the energy level is too low to do damage, and I of the opinion that it is responsible for some, perhaps many of the fails attributed to high SWR.

A big problem in resolving the question is forensics: How do you know which mechanism is responsible? A dead part looks the same either way, and usually winds up in the trash!

JZ KJ4A?





On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 10:12 AM Daniel Walter via <nm3a=[email protected]> wrote:

John,
Your explanation of QDX L14 makes sense. It doesn't seem to be a serious problem for semiconductor failures tho. More of an issue for spectrum 'dirtiness'. The diode would take care of both concerns.?


I wonder why it could not be taken care of in the QDX firmware, as it has been with the QMX. There doesn't seem to be the memory and processing constraints of the QCX, even though it doesn't have the capacity of the QMX processor. ?
--
73, Dan? NM3A


 

Hans & John,
Thanks for the excellent explanation! I'll add the 1N4148 to L14. I can't see that it'll do any harm anyway, and it probably will help.?
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73, Dan? NM3A


 

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And, of course, the third question is if adding the commutating diode and/or the zemers will affect the output characteristics (spectral purity, spurs, harmonics), in such a way as to render transceiver illegal to operate.
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73, Willie N1JBJ

On Aug 25, 2023, at 10:38 AM, John Z <jdzbrozek@...> wrote:

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Dan,

The QMX has a PMOSFET modulator that can gracefully ramp down the supply voltage to the power amplifier stage, under digital/MCU control. That circuitry is essential for the QMX wave shaping function and to it's future SSB functionality. It doesn't exist on QDX, and so a firmware solution for QDX is not possible.

Is the inductive spike damaging transistors on QDX??

Hans and I have had a lively debate on that subject, with he of the opinion that the energy level is too low to do damage, and I of the opinion that it is responsible for some, perhaps many of the fails attributed to high SWR.

A big problem in resolving the question is forensics: How do you know which mechanism is responsible? A dead part looks the same either way, and usually winds up in the trash!

JZ KJ4A?





On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 10:12 AM Daniel Walter via <nm3a=[email protected]> wrote:

John,
Your explanation of QDX L14 makes sense. It doesn't seem to be a serious problem for semiconductor failures tho. More of an issue for spectrum 'dirtiness'. The diode would take care of both concerns.?


I wonder why it could not be taken care of in the QDX firmware, as it has been with the QMX. There doesn't seem to be the memory and processing constraints of the QCX, even though it doesn't have the capacity of the QMX processor. ?
--
73, Dan? NM3A


 

Willie,

Simulation FFT says that the commutating diode does no damage to
spectral purity.

This makes sense for two reasons:
1) The current flowing through the diode is small and capacitive until
commutation takes place at the end of a transmission. That is where a
large diode current will flow, but only briefly.
2) The diode current never flows through the primary or the secondary
of the output transformer, and so it never makes it to the LPF.

If you are greatly concerned about spectral purity, consider that
sloppy winding of the output transformer, or parameter imbalances
between the two banks of PA transistors, will do more damage to second
harmonic cancellation and content than the diode can ever do.

JZ KJ4A

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 10:53?AM William Smith <w_smith@...> wrote:

And, of course, the third question is if adding the commutating diode and/or the zemers will affect the output characteristics (spectral purity, spurs, harmonics), in such a way as to render transceiver illegal to operate.

73, Willie N1JBJ

On Aug 25, 2023, at 10:38 AM, John Z <jdzbrozek@...> wrote:

?
Dan,

The QMX has a PMOSFET modulator that can gracefully ramp down the supply voltage to the power amplifier stage, under digital/MCU control. That circuitry is essential for the QMX wave shaping function and to it's future SSB functionality. It doesn't exist on QDX, and so a firmware solution for QDX is not possible.

Is the inductive spike damaging transistors on QDX?

Hans and I have had a lively debate on that subject, with he of the opinion that the energy level is too low to do damage, and I of the opinion that it is responsible for some, perhaps many of the fails attributed to high SWR.

A big problem in resolving the question is forensics: How do you know which mechanism is responsible? A dead part looks the same either way, and usually winds up in the trash!

JZ KJ4A





On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 10:12 AM Daniel Walter via groups.io <nm3a@...> wrote:

John,
Your explanation of QDX L14 makes sense. It doesn't seem to be a serious problem for semiconductor failures tho. More of an issue for spectrum 'dirtiness'. The diode would take care of both concerns.


I wonder why it could not be taken care of in the QDX firmware, as it has been with the QMX. There doesn't seem to be the memory and processing constraints of the QCX, even though it doesn't have the capacity of the QMX processor.
--
73, Dan NM3A


 

Hi Willie
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And, of course, the third question is if adding the commutating diode and/or the zemers will affect the output characteristics (spectral purity, spurs, harmonics), in such a way as to render transceiver illegal to operate.

Yes, spot on. That, and whether the diode and/or zeners add anything to the receive noise floor. Probably not.? But I need to measure, simulation isn't good enough for me :-D??

I tried to order some 47V zeners but got BZY47. Which is 9.1V. Sent back, and got BZY47 **again**. I should put in a large Digikey order in the next couple of weeks and will add some to it. Here Digikey orders take 10 days and incur a significant expense so you can't do it for a sub $1 order like you can in US.?

73 Hans G0UPL



 

Hans!

I am 20+ years your senior. It should be me grumbling with skepticism
about your simulations and not vice versa!
:-)

Smiling anyway, JZ

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 11:59?AM Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:

Hi Willie


And, of course, the third question is if adding the commutating diode and/or the zemers will affect the output characteristics (spectral purity, spurs, harmonics), in such a way as to render transceiver illegal to operate.

Yes, spot on. That, and whether the diode and/or zeners add anything to the receive noise floor. Probably not. But I need to measure, simulation isn't good enough for me :-D

I tried to order some 47V zeners but got BZY47. Which is 9.1V. Sent back, and got BZY47 **again**. I should put in a large Digikey order in the next couple of weeks and will add some to it. Here Digikey orders take 10 days and incur a significant expense so you can't do it for a sub $1 order like you can in US.

73 Hans G0UPL




 

Willie and John,

I believe that the simulation works for the QDX version of the amp.? I'm unsure about the EER/power addition of the QMX.? That may be more of an issue when Hans offers the SSB upgrade for the QMX.?

Zener protection has been put on CW and Digital mode radios.? I have not seen it for SSB, though that does not mean it is not a common practice.? I do not have an extensive history with higher-power SSB construction.? Most have been at QRP? or under 20 watt levels.

Regardless, actual measuring is always better for an individual rig.

73
Evan
AC9TU


 

An addition that I should have included in the prior post:

In my estimation, simulation is good to help work out issues with a design.? Actual measuring should be done for an individual radio.? If you rely on measurements only, you can get into a parts variation problem.? Is your measurement sample large enough to verify the outliers in a production run?

The above is from experience in taking processes from R&D to production.? The results are not always as expected.? This is from food industry experience, but I believe the concept applies.

73
Evan
AC9TU


 

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I've started playing with a spectrum analyser, this is what I have so far.

There's a bit of scruff round the signal and the second and third harmonics are about -60 dB which seems pretty good, better than my Pixie.

And at this stage L513 had 9 turns instead of 10.

At present I'm using a crude 38 dB attenuator and was running about 1W.? I've a 10W 20dB attenuator coming and that should allow me to run my QMX at full power.

Not used a spectrum analyser before so a bit of a learning experience, there must be a way of getting a screen shot onto a SD card.

?And I have some Zeners, 1N4756A.? Hans, I could send you a couple if it helps.

I'm taking my time over this, not applied more than 10V to my 12V QMX, that gives 2 to 2.5W, astonishing how far that gets.

Chris, G5CTH





 

Chris, is this with or w/o Zeners?
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73, Dan? NM3A


 

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Without.? My plan is to get good data without, then add them and see what the difference is.

This is Science isn't it?

On 25/08/2023 20:11, Daniel Walter via groups.io wrote:

Chris, is this with or w/o Zeners?
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73, Dan? NM3A



 

Yup! Looking forward to the 'with' results!
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73, Dan? NM3A