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#LPF PCB problem #lpf


 

Hi all

Recently it came to our attention via a couple of customer complaints, that there were some defective PCBs in some of the LPF kits. The problem is that the holes for the toroid wire appear to have been changed to a smaller diameter and treated as vias by the PCB manufacturing, therefore they are filled in and there is no solder mask, they appear as covered vias. The attached photos should make it clear.?

It's annoying because normally we check everything carefully and in many cases of the various kits, build one kit of a new batch to validate; but when it's a PCB so simple as the LPF that's been in production for 10+ years, you can get complacent! Anyway my team now?checked all our packed LPF kits and removed all the defective boards. We still have LPF kits in some bands that have the previous boards and are fine.?

1) If anyone received the incorrect PCBs please let me know offlist and we'll send you proper replacements.?

2) If anyone can imagine a use for the defective PCBs we have, panels of LPF PCBs, the recent batch of 2,000 boards is ALL defective... will send a 2x6 panel free to a good home (NOT free postage). Well my stockroom colleague and I were joking just now, some enterprising ham could round the edges a bit, put in a suitable hook and make a pair of defective PCBs into ear-rings for the fashion-conscious YL ham or devoted ham-XYL. Hi hi. Or prepare a bit of (necessarily trifilar) wire and make a pendant. Think big, think QRP Labs.

Of course I started a complaint with the PCB factory. First response: "you must have changed the gerber files and made a mistake!". I pointed out that the LPF kit debuted in 2013, the Rev 2 PCB currently in use dates back to 2015, and in total we sold over 62,000 LPF kits without incident, from this file, which has not changed since 2015... (check the file date)... so...?

Eventually it transpired that the PCB factory had recently hired a new production engineer who turned out to be even greener than the PCB soldermask, and he somehow changed something for reasons best known only to himself. They promptly made and shipped another 2,000 (correct) LPF PCBs; there's no gap in our kit shipments because we still have boards from the previous batch too. I'm just saying this in case anyone was affected and needs replacements, and in case anyone wants to go into a sideline of ear-ring manufacturing.?

73 Hans G0UPL


 

P.S.? I forgot to mention two things:

1) We do believe the number of defective PCBs that went out, is limited to around 10-20.?

2) *IF* you don't want to wait for the replacement PCBs another alternative is to just scrape?off the green soldermask on the top side and solder the toroid wire ends to the PCB pads on the top side; the through-hole connections will ensure it all works properly.?

73 Hans G0UPL



On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hans Summers via <hans.summers=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all

Recently it came to our attention via a couple of customer complaints, that there were some defective PCBs in some of the LPF kits. The problem is that the holes for the toroid wire appear to have been changed to a smaller diameter and treated as vias by the PCB manufacturing, therefore they are filled in and there is no solder mask, they appear as covered vias. The attached photos should make it clear.?

It's annoying because normally we check everything carefully and in many cases of the various kits, build one kit of a new batch to validate; but when it's a PCB so simple as the LPF that's been in production for 10+ years, you can get complacent! Anyway my team now?checked all our packed LPF kits and removed all the defective boards. We still have LPF kits in some bands that have the previous boards and are fine.?

1) If anyone received the incorrect PCBs please let me know offlist and we'll send you proper replacements.?

2) If anyone can imagine a use for the defective PCBs we have, panels of LPF PCBs, the recent batch of 2,000 boards is ALL defective... will send a 2x6 panel free to a good home (NOT free postage). Well my stockroom colleague and I were joking just now, some enterprising ham could round the edges a bit, put in a suitable hook and make a pair of defective PCBs into ear-rings for the fashion-conscious YL ham or devoted ham-XYL. Hi hi. Or prepare a bit of (necessarily trifilar) wire and make a pendant. Think big, think QRP Labs.

Of course I started a complaint with the PCB factory. First response: "you must have changed the gerber files and made a mistake!". I pointed out that the LPF kit debuted in 2013, the Rev 2 PCB currently in use dates back to 2015, and in total we sold over 62,000 LPF kits without incident, from this file, which has not changed since 2015... (check the file date)... so...?

Eventually it transpired that the PCB factory had recently hired a new production engineer who turned out to be even greener than the PCB soldermask, and he somehow changed something for reasons best known only to himself. They promptly made and shipped another 2,000 (correct) LPF PCBs; there's no gap in our kit shipments because we still have boards from the previous batch too. I'm just saying this in case anyone was affected and needs replacements, and in case anyone wants to go into a sideline of ear-ring manufacturing.?

73 Hans G0UPL


 

> The attached photos should make it clear.?

Sorry, Hans.? Photos?

Ross AC3DN

On Wed, 24 July 2024, 13:50 Hans Summers via , <hans.summers=[email protected]> wrote:
P.S.? I forgot to mention two things:

1) We do believe the number of defective PCBs that went out, is limited to around 10-20.?

2) *IF* you don't want to wait for the replacement PCBs another alternative is to just scrape?off the green soldermask on the top side and solder the toroid wire ends to the PCB pads on the top side; the through-hole connections will ensure it all works properly.?

73 Hans G0UPL



On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hans Summers via <hans.summers=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all

Recently it came to our attention via a couple of customer complaints, that there were some defective PCBs in some of the LPF kits. The problem is that the holes for the toroid wire appear to have been changed to a smaller diameter and treated as vias by the PCB manufacturing, therefore they are filled in and there is no solder mask, they appear as covered vias. The attached photos should make it clear.?

It's annoying because normally we check everything carefully and in many cases of the various kits, build one kit of a new batch to validate; but when it's a PCB so simple as the LPF that's been in production for 10+ years, you can get complacent! Anyway my team now?checked all our packed LPF kits and removed all the defective boards. We still have LPF kits in some bands that have the previous boards and are fine.?

1) If anyone received the incorrect PCBs please let me know offlist and we'll send you proper replacements.?

2) If anyone can imagine a use for the defective PCBs we have, panels of LPF PCBs, the recent batch of 2,000 boards is ALL defective... will send a 2x6 panel free to a good home (NOT free postage). Well my stockroom colleague and I were joking just now, some enterprising ham could round the edges a bit, put in a suitable hook and make a pair of defective PCBs into ear-rings for the fashion-conscious YL ham or devoted ham-XYL. Hi hi. Or prepare a bit of (necessarily trifilar) wire and make a pendant. Think big, think QRP Labs.

Of course I started a complaint with the PCB factory. First response: "you must have changed the gerber files and made a mistake!". I pointed out that the LPF kit debuted in 2013, the Rev 2 PCB currently in use dates back to 2015, and in total we sold over 62,000 LPF kits without incident, from this file, which has not changed since 2015... (check the file date)... so...?

Eventually it transpired that the PCB factory had recently hired a new production engineer who turned out to be even greener than the PCB soldermask, and he somehow changed something for reasons best known only to himself. They promptly made and shipped another 2,000 (correct) LPF PCBs; there's no gap in our kit shipments because we still have boards from the previous batch too. I'm just saying this in case anyone was affected and needs replacements, and in case anyone wants to go into a sideline of ear-ring manufacturing.?

73 Hans G0UPL


 

Sorry Ross.?

I did have my morning cup of coffee but apparently it hasn't sunk in yet... I have attached them here

73 Hans G0UPL



On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 9:58?AM AC3DN - Ross via <rzzzwilson=[email protected]> wrote:
> The attached photos should make it clear.?

Sorry, Hans.? Photos?

Ross AC3DN

On Wed, 24 July 2024, 13:50 Hans Summers via , <hans.summers=[email protected]> wrote:
P.S.? I forgot to mention two things:

1) We do believe the number of defective PCBs that went out, is limited to around 10-20.?

2) *IF* you don't want to wait for the replacement PCBs another alternative is to just scrape?off the green soldermask on the top side and solder the toroid wire ends to the PCB pads on the top side; the through-hole connections will ensure it all works properly.?

73 Hans G0UPL



On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hans Summers via <hans.summers=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all

Recently it came to our attention via a couple of customer complaints, that there were some defective PCBs in some of the LPF kits. The problem is that the holes for the toroid wire appear to have been changed to a smaller diameter and treated as vias by the PCB manufacturing, therefore they are filled in and there is no solder mask, they appear as covered vias. The attached photos should make it clear.?

It's annoying because normally we check everything carefully and in many cases of the various kits, build one kit of a new batch to validate; but when it's a PCB so simple as the LPF that's been in production for 10+ years, you can get complacent! Anyway my team now?checked all our packed LPF kits and removed all the defective boards. We still have LPF kits in some bands that have the previous boards and are fine.?

1) If anyone received the incorrect PCBs please let me know offlist and we'll send you proper replacements.?

2) If anyone can imagine a use for the defective PCBs we have, panels of LPF PCBs, the recent batch of 2,000 boards is ALL defective... will send a 2x6 panel free to a good home (NOT free postage). Well my stockroom colleague and I were joking just now, some enterprising ham could round the edges a bit, put in a suitable hook and make a pair of defective PCBs into ear-rings for the fashion-conscious YL ham or devoted ham-XYL. Hi hi. Or prepare a bit of (necessarily trifilar) wire and make a pendant. Think big, think QRP Labs.

Of course I started a complaint with the PCB factory. First response: "you must have changed the gerber files and made a mistake!". I pointed out that the LPF kit debuted in 2013, the Rev 2 PCB currently in use dates back to 2015, and in total we sold over 62,000 LPF kits without incident, from this file, which has not changed since 2015... (check the file date)... so...?

Eventually it transpired that the PCB factory had recently hired a new production engineer who turned out to be even greener than the PCB soldermask, and he somehow changed something for reasons best known only to himself. They promptly made and shipped another 2,000 (correct) LPF PCBs; there's no gap in our kit shipments because we still have boards from the previous batch too. I'm just saying this in case anyone was affected and needs replacements, and in case anyone wants to go into a sideline of ear-ring manufacturing.?

73 Hans G0UPL


 

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Hans,

I understand the tale of the errant production engineer. I had such a person wished upon me many years ago. He decided that he knew better than our resident expert about potting electronics in epoxy.

After a batch of results that were unsatisfactory, he admitted he had added a little extra to the mix and had not documented it. We moved him to fault-finding on another production line.?

73 John G3PAI F5VLF

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 9:43?AM Hans Summers via <hans.summers=[email protected]> wrote:

Eventually it transpired that the PCB factory had recently hired a new production engineer who turned out to be even greener than the PCB soldermask, and he somehow changed something for reasons best known only to himself. They promptly made and shipped another 2,000 (correct) LPF PCBs; there's no gap in our kit shipments because we still have boards from the previous batch too. I'm just saying this in case anyone was affected and needs replacements, and in case anyone wants to go into a sideline of ear-ring manufacturing.?

73 Hans G0UPL


 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 02:43 AM, Hans Summers wrote:
go into a sideline of ear-ring manufacturing.
Back in the '70s, at my first job at MSC, we made microwave test fixtures using 1 inch square white alumina ceramic boards with gold metallization.? We etched the boards in-house.
One of the assemblers had an anniversary with the company, and we made her a pair of pendant earrings with a the company logo in gold on the white alumina.?
They looked like fine jewelry.
?
73, Don N2VGU


 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 08:59 AM, John Rabson wrote:
I understand the tale of the errant production engineer. I had such a person wished upon me many years ago. He decided that he knew better than our resident expert about potting electronics in epoxy.
I remember some 25 years ago an antenna designer made an antenna
for circa 2GHz, worked well on the PCB version.
?
Then the factory went directly into production with the PCB encased in
epoxy and tight fitting plastic box.
?
Shoved the resonant frequency up a few hundred Mhz, no wonder they
got customer complaints about poor performance ;-)
?
Doh !
?
And of course, many companies / corps don't understand that retaining
well heeled staff who have built up knowledge and decades of experience
is better than replacing them with newbies / green agency staff who
are still green behind the ears.
?
And all for a small saving in profits / and to pay a CEO's / shareholders
dividends.
?
'Nuff sed.
?
--
- 73 de Andy -


 

Hi Hans,
?
As an inveterate tinkerer, I wouldn't mind a set of the defective boards to tinker with. If that's possible, could you please let me know how to organise the postage.
?
73's
Dave.
--
David Thomas M0OOR


 

Hi Dave

I'm replying off-group

73 Hans G0UPL


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 14:21 Dave, M0OOR via <cedar8=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Hans,
?
As an inveterate tinkerer, I wouldn't mind a set of the defective boards to tinker with. If that's possible, could you please let me know how to organise the postage.
?
73's
Dave.
--
David Thomas M0OOR


 

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Here is another Dave thinking that those LP filter boards would be very useful if one were careful with SMing the coil leads. ?I would love two.

Dave VE3GSO-VE3EI

On Jul 25, 2024, at 16:35, Hans Summers via groups.io <hans.summers@...> wrote:

?
Hi Dave

I'm replying off-group

73 Hans G0UPL


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 14:21 Dave, M0OOR via <cedar8=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Hans,
?
As an inveterate tinkerer, I wouldn't mind a set of the defective boards to tinker with. If that's possible, could you please let me know how to organise the postage.
?
73's
Dave.
--
David Thomas M0OOR