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QCX burned up after connecting GPS


 

I finished my QCX and was enjoying it very much, I decided to build the GPS module and upon finishing it I connected it to the QCX. The rig just keys down the moment i connect the gps, I tried a few things like getting it in beacon mode then turning it off and connecting the gps then turning ur back on, well somewhere in this process the rig burned out , there was a puff of smoke and a small flash of light from under the LCD area. Before this the rig was fine doing CW, it was working well , something with the GPS module killed it. Just wondering how to troubleshoot this issue so maybe the rig would work again and scrap the GPS? Not sure where to start .

Thanks and 73

Ted, KG6AJH


 

Was the QCX connected to the antenna at the time the GPS was plugged in?? If not, then the output transistors will be burnt out due to no load as the GPS unit will be "keying" the QCX.

There is not much that can go wrong with the GPS unit being connected as it is connected in parallel with the dit and dah keying circuit.

David
VK2JDR

On 27 January 2018 at 14:44, Ted Dawson <teddydawson@...> wrote:
I finished my QCX and was enjoying it very much, I decided to build the GPS module and upon finishing it I connected it to the QCX. The rig just keys down the moment i connect the gps, I tried a few things like getting it in beacon mode then turning it off and connecting the gps then turning ur back on, well somewhere in this process the rig burned out , there was a puff of smoke and a small flash of light from under the LCD area. Before this the rig was fine doing CW, it was working well , something with the GPS module killed it. Just wondering how to troubleshoot this issue so maybe the rig would work again and scrap the GPS? Not sure where to start .

Thanks and 73

Ted, KG6AJH




 

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I think it was but everything happened so fast it¡¯s hard to remember , I was just going to calibrate the crystals , I didn¡¯t know it was transmitting... but now when I plug it into power it starts smoking again , stuck on TX? Can I test with multimeter ?

On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:13 PM, David Rushworth <david.1.rushworth@...> wrote:

Was the QCX connected to the antenna at the time the GPS was plugged in?? If not, then the output transistors will be burnt out due to no load as the GPS unit will be "keying" the QCX.

There is not much that can go wrong with the GPS unit being connected as it is connected in parallel with the dit and dah keying circuit.

David
VK2JDR

On 27 January 2018 at 14:44, Ted Dawson <teddydawson@...> wrote:
I finished my QCX and was enjoying it very much, I decided to build the GPS module and upon finishing it I connected it to the QCX. The rig just keys down the moment i connect the gps, I tried a few things like getting it in beacon mode then turning it off and connecting the gps then turning ur back on, well somewhere in this process the rig burned out , there was a puff of smoke and a small flash of light from under the LCD area. Before this the rig was fine doing CW, it was working well , something with the GPS module killed it. Just wondering how to troubleshoot this issue so maybe the rig would work again and scrap the GPS? Not sure where to start .

Thanks and 73

Ted, KG6AJH




 

I think it was but everything happened so fast it¡¯s hard to remember , I was just going to calibrate the crystals , I didn¡¯t know it was transmitting... but now when I plug it into power it starts smoking again , stuck on TX? Can I test with multimeter ?
Ted,

Quite a few have been caught out like you.
There is a configuration setting required before attaching the GPS otherwise the QCX goes to transmit.
Then, if no dummy load is attached one or more of the PA BS170s blows AND so does Q6.
If they are not all replaced there is confusion, or even more damage.
Hans has a good troubleshooter but I do not think this very important point is included. At least I cannot find it although there are many references in past posts.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


Was the QCX connected to the antenna at the time the GPS was plugged in?? If not, then the output transistors will be burnt out due to no load as the GPS unit will be "keying" the QCX.


 

Ok thanks ;

What is the configuration that needs to be changed?
I ordered all new silicon off eBay and will work on replacing those transistors you mentioned.
If anyone can do a step by step for setting up for beacon operation that¡¯d be great. I guess always have an antenna connected just in case. I don¡¯t understand why the GPS pins are shared with the keying input.

Is there any way to have some sort of TX indicator on screen so I know when it¡¯s transmitting ?

Thanks all for your help

Ted KG6AJH

On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:57 AM, Alan G4ZFQ <alan4alan@...> wrote:

I think it was but everything happened so fast it¡¯s hard to remember , I was just going to calibrate the crystals , I didn¡¯t know it was transmitting... but now when I plug it into power it starts smoking again , stuck on TX? Can I test with multimeter ?
Ted,

Quite a few have been caught out like you.
There is a configuration setting required before attaching the GPS otherwise the QCX goes to transmit.
Then, if no dummy load is attached one or more of the PA BS170s blows AND so does Q6.
If they are not all replaced there is confusion, or even more damage.
Hans has a good troubleshooter but I do not think this very important point is included. At least I cannot find it although there are many references in past posts.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


Was the QCX connected to the antenna at the time the GPS was plugged in? If not, then the output transistors will be burnt out due to no load as the GPS unit will be "keying" the QCX.


 

What is the configuration that needs to be changed?
It's somewhere in the manual, I guess it's easy to miss. The GPS input is shared by the keyer so something needs to be changed.

I guess always have an antenna connected just in case.

Or dummy load. A mis-matched antenna could be almost as bad as none.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

You need to set menu 4.7 Practice to ON.

The manual clearly states why GPS and paddle are in parallell (5.14).

Jan


 

What is the configuration that needs to be changed?
Ted

Eventually found this, not emphasised enough!

/g/QRPLabs/message/21033

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

Take a close look at Q1, 2, 3 to see if burnt followed by Q6 as they are part of the power amp circuit. Allare all most likely damaged and will require replacing.? I know - I've transmitted without realizing antenna not connected. Just cut off the transistor body and heat the solder pad and pull each leg out.?

Unfortunately the smoke happens very quickly with no warning so with the QCX always have an antenna or dummy load connected when powering up or experimenting.? Alternatively, put it in practice mode.

The GPS is shared with the keying pins as there were no spare pins available on the microprocessor to implement the GPS direct.

The manual explains the beacon function well so take a look at that section.

Menu selection 8 has the GPS calibration selections for the system and synth oscillators.

David
VK2JDR

On 27 January 2018 at 17:57, Alan G4ZFQ <alan4alan@...> wrote:
I think it was but everything happened so fast it¡¯s hard to remember , I was just going to calibrate the crystals , I didn¡¯t know it was transmitting... but now when I plug it into power it starts smoking again , stuck on TX? Can I test with multimeter ?


Ted,

Quite a few have been caught out like you.
There is a configuration setting required before attaching the GPS otherwise the QCX goes to transmit.
Then, if no dummy load is attached one or more of the PA BS170s blows AND so does Q6.
If they are not all replaced there is confusion, or even more damage.
Hans has a good troubleshooter but I do not think this very important point is included. At least I cannot find it although there are many references in past posts.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


Was the QCX connected to the antenna at the time the GPS was plugged in?? If not, then the output transistors will be burnt out due to no load as the GPS unit will be "keying" the QCX.






 

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Ok thanks all for explaining this I feel as though i understand what happened now. I was just curious if the rig will transmit the beacon even if practice mode is enabled.?
also just as an exercise how could I go about testing these transistors ? Just so I can learn about how to test with a DVM. I¡¯m hoping I can improve my troubleshooting skills so I can figure out for myself in the future. The power amplifier and i think it¡¯s Q6 that needed to be replaced too because I can¡¯t even power up the rig right now because it¡¯s stuck on TX or something like that, if I plug it in it draws overcurrent and burns up even more?

On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:37 AM, David Rushworth <david.1.rushworth@...> wrote:

Take a close look at Q1, 2, 3 to see if burnt followed by Q6 as they are part of the power amp circuit. Allare all most likely damaged and will require replacing.? I know - I've transmitted without realizing antenna not connected. Just cut off the transistor body and heat the solder pad and pull each leg out.?

Unfortunately the smoke happens very quickly with no warning so with the QCX always have an antenna or dummy load connected when powering up or experimenting.? Alternatively, put it in practice mode.

The GPS is shared with the keying pins as there were no spare pins available on the microprocessor to implement the GPS direct.

The manual explains the beacon function well so take a look at that section.

Menu selection 8 has the GPS calibration selections for the system and synth oscillators.

David
VK2JDR

On 27 January 2018 at 17:57, Alan G4ZFQ <alan4alan@...> wrote:
I think it was but everything happened so fast it¡¯s hard to remember , I was just going to calibrate the crystals , I didn¡¯t know it was transmitting... but now when I plug it into power it starts smoking again , stuck on TX? Can I test with multimeter ?


Ted,

Quite a few have been caught out like you.
There is a configuration setting required before attaching the GPS otherwise the QCX goes to transmit.
Then, if no dummy load is attached one or more of the PA BS170s blows AND so does Q6.
If they are not all replaced there is confusion, or even more damage.
Hans has a good troubleshooter but I do not think this very important point is included. At least I cannot find it although there are many references in past posts.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


Was the QCX connected to the antenna at the time the GPS was plugged in?? If not, then the output transistors will be burnt out due to no load as the GPS unit will be "keying" the QCX.






 

? Just so I can learn about how to test with a DVM. I¡¯m hoping I can improve my troubleshooting skills so I can figure out for myself in the future.
FETs are not too easy to check with a meter, some hints were given in past posts. A component tester works and is a good thing to have.

The power amplifier and i think it¡¯s Q6 that needed to be
replaced too because I can¡¯t even power up the rig right now because it¡¯s stuck on TX or something like that,
Q6 is the TX 12V switching transistor, look at the schematic.
When Q1, 2, or 3 shorts then it does as well. So 12V remains applied to the shorted BS170(s)

if I plug it in it draws
overcurrent and burns up even more
Is the result.
If you just replace one defective device it starts all over again.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

Ted

The rig will NOT transmit in practice mode, in all other ways it will behave normally.

Always check that you have an good antenna or dummyload connected before powering up the OCX.

Jan