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Multiband QCX
I modified my first QCX in 2017 for 2 bands (80m/40m). It is still in
use today by my friend Jens, DL4LBB. Similar changes were made by Wolf
DK4RW, Karlheinz DL8JV, and Bruno, DL7UN.
Based on my experience with nearly a dozen class C PAs in my ELBC rigs
(see my QRZ.com) we replaced the the QCX PA and its low pass filter with
the proven KD1JV design, accepting the lower efficiency of the class C PA.
Since 2019 I am using my 4 band QCX for 80/60/40/30m while DK4RW built it
for 80/60/40/30/20. Details can be found here:
With all modified QCX rigs we achieved an output power of 5 W at 13.5 V and
maintained the same RX sensitivity as with the original QCX circuit.
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Fred, DJ3KK |
This sentence in the translation took my attention and I would like to ask a related question. It may be a silly question since I haven't bought and got familiar with the device yet, but what I'm wondering is; I would like to order a QCX+ and modify it as to described here to work on at least 20 and 40 meter bands, can I receive and/or transmit on 40 meters if I buy the 20 meter one, even if it's weak? I mean, would it be an advantage if I choose the high-frequency one among the 2 options? |
?re... QCX ... band mods...
Thanks Fred, ?Outstanding thread with documentation Follows here a suggestion for ta1db I went for three bands 20, 30, 40 Since? L4? is band sensitive I chose the 30m kit to mod then not mod L4 on other bands Note There is also a no T1 MOD (my second image) that worked very well for me I bypassed the onboard LPF and mounted all LPFs external to main PCB 72 73 John N3AAZ |
As John¡¯s post with its picture of external low-pass filters illustrates the problem with multi-banding a QCX. A 40 meter QCX absolutely has to have a filter to block its second harmonic and that¡¯s 20 meters. That is doable but adds complexity. I¡¯ve sometimes wondered if a 60/40 or a 40/30 QCX might be possible with the low-pass filter set above the higher band, but I¡¯ve not looked into the matter since neither 60 or 30 interests me. I opted for the QCX mini for 40 since its a day/night band less dependent on sunspots. That keeps matter simple and the QCX is all about simple.
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¡ªMike Perry, WA4MP On Nov 5, 2021, at 7:36 am, John Kirby <n3aaz_qrp_1@...> wrote: |
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 05:48 AM, Mike Perry, WA4MP wrote:
Dear Mike, John, Thanks for your kind and informative answers. A 40 meter QCX absolutely has to have a filter to block its second harmonic and that¡¯s 20 meters.I should have thought of that, I'll consider it! I bypassed the onboard LPF and mounted all LPFs external to main PCB@John , I understand that you've ordered a 30 meter QCX and 2 extra LPFs for 20 and 40 meters from here??, right? How did you mount 30 meter LPF components externally; did you make a pcb for 30 meter LPF components, did you mount the components on a breadboard, did you order a pcb from QRP Labs for 30 meter or did you omit the 30 meter? In the picture I see an extra pcb something like a mother board for 5 LPFs, what is it? Did you make by you own or did you buy it from somewhere? |
Greetings Murat ta1db
All components purchased from QRPLabs Filters sell in all band kits or buy for single band Bandpass ?https://qrp-labs.com/bpfkit.html Lowpass ?https://qrp-labs.com/lpfkit.html "Mother board" seen in my image ?https://qrp-labs.com/ultimatelpf.html You can place an order for one 30m QCX kit, it will ship with one 30m LPF included in price The other filters sell as seperate items The "Mother board" and relay kit sell as seperate item ...Side note... ...I just read specks? from website.... Ed W3NQN (mentioned below) now SK and I worked in the same lab for 20 years? I retired 1997 "..." This Low Pass Filter (LPF) kit is based on the G-QRP technical pages design by Ed Whetherhold W3NQN. Kits are available for 16 bands 2200, 600, 160, 80, 60, 40, 30, 20, 17, 15, 12, 10, 6, 4, 2m and 222MHz. The kit uses a high-quality double-sided PCB with silk-screen, solder-mask and through-hole plating. The capacitors supplied with the kit are high-quality low-loss RF ceramics of the NP0 type (near-zero temperature coefficient). Designed for the U3 & U3S kits, U2 kit, relay-switched LPF kit, Arduino shield, or your own projects! "qrplabs " TNX AGN Fred 72 73 John N3AAZ |
Murat,
There are two answers to your question. RX: In our prototype with the wideband input transformer the RX sensitivity is nearly constant from 80m up to 10m. The mixer, however, detects signals not only on the RX frequency, but also on its harmonics. For example, the RX set to receive at 3.5 MHz will also hear singnal on 2 x 3.5 MHz = 7 MHz, 3 x 3.5 MHz = 10.5 MHz etc. While signals on even harmonics are suppressed by more than 50 dB, those on odd harmonics are attenuated by just 10 to 15 dB. Fortunately the TX lowpass filters come to the rescue here. They provide enough attenuation to fix this problem. TX: The lowpass filters can be used on adjacent bands (40m filter for 40m and 60m, 20m filter for 30m and 20m; see pg. 4 and 5, and Table 1 and Figure 6). The harmonic suppression on the lower band, however, is just 35 dB which is not enough to meet spectral purity requirements. A suitable tuner can provide the missing harmonic attenuation. 73 Wolfgang DK4RW |
On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 09:09 AM, Wolfgang DK4RW wrote:
Fortunately the TX lowpass filters come to the rescue here. Hi Wolfgang,
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In? Figure 3: text it says?"The?increased attenuation above 7.5 MHz is caused by the TX lowpass filter."?and I was wandering about how TX LPF effects on RF input! It's because although the LPFs are named as TX, they are located in serially to the antenna line and therefore they effect both Tx and Rx. We may name them as TX/RX LPF :) I will take this into account as well.
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Thanks for the helpful information.
BTW is there any suggestion about how to make a 35 uH wide-band choke a L4? ? ?
BR, 73
Murat |
I also like to do handicrafts and have decided on a multiband QCX + in the original housing. It works, but is still being refined.
Short info: Bands 7-30MHz C amplifier with RD16HHF1 (around 8W at around 1.2A, N around 40%) RX with 3 high-pass filters, from 18MHz with MMIC amplifier 10dB Control computer for band switching etc. Built-in LiPO battery 14.8V / 1.3Ah It was a lot of work and testing, only recommended for hobby freaks. Some measuring equipment is required. A report (sri, only German, I use google translator) is below https://www.darc.de/fileadmin/filemounts/distrikte/s/ortsverbaende/31/QCXplus_DL8LRZ.pdf 73, Reiner |
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